---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/20/21: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: Jacking Mono (Mallard) 2. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Mono (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 06:26 AM - europaoweners.org site? (Andrew Sarangan) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: europaoweners.org site? (Pete) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: 914 draining coolant and changing coolant lines (Robert Borger) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Jacking Mono (Mallard) 7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Mono (Alan Twigg) 8. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Jacking Mono (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 9. 10:07 AM - Re: Jacking Mono (Mallard) 10. 01:27 PM - Oshkosh 2021 (h&jeuropa) 11. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Jacking Mono (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 12. 05:42 PM - Re: Jacking Mono (rparigoris) 13. 09:23 PM - Re: Jacking Mono (timward) 14. 09:27 PM - Re: Jacking Mono (timward) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono From: "Mallard" Hello All, Does anyone or the Europa Club have drawings for the proprietary 'Dolly' to which David Joyce refers in his post? Thank you James -------- Seat of my pants Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502469#502469 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:15 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono James, Perhaps you will allow me to answer that question! The dolly I have is a one off constructed by Roger Target many years ago, but I have seen a number of others build dollies along similar lines or with a wooden base (although the latter are difficult, but not impossible to construct in a way which allows the plane to be lifted off the wheel. The starting point is a stiff splash moulding of the front part of the fuselage bottom, using multiple layers of fibreglass. This then needs to be covered with some padding material such as neoprene and attached to some form of framework. As you will see in the picture, mine has a clever hinging metal structure which can be expanded with a system made of two cheap car jacks. Further clever features are two holes drilled in the fibre glass bit on each side through which large wing nutted bolts go into corresponding holes in the fuselage where captive nuts are located, thus allowing the fuselage to be securely fixed to the dolly secondly just in front of the wheels are steel pieces with a hole through which further wing nuts can be screwed to securely locate the dolly and its attached fuselage in my covered trailer. It fits under the fus with the front edge just behind the rear of the cowlings. The dolly can and fairly frequently is used by friends who lack the fixing captive nuts in their fuselage by simply keeping the rear of the dolly in contact with the plane by passing long straps though the doors and round the dolly. Could send more pictures if required. David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2021-06-20 10:44, Mallard wrote: > > Hello All, > Does anyone or the Europa Club have drawings for the proprietary > 'Dolly' to which David Joyce refers in his post? > > Thank you > James > > -------- > Seat of my pants > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502469#502469 > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:04 AM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Europa-List: europaoweners.org site? Anyone know who runs the site? It seems to be having some network issues. It is timing out and giving periodic errors, but it still seems to be up. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:18 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: europaoweners.org site? Dunno, but if its now orphaned, i would suggest that the club pick it up ..lotsa helpful builder pics. Cheers, PeteZ > On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Sarangan wrote: > > =EF=BB > Anyone know who runs the site? It seems to be having some network issues. I t is timing out and giving periodic errors, but it still seems to be up. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 draining coolant and changing coolant lines From: Robert Borger That is for durn sure!! > On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:56 PM, Griffo wrote: > > > Bud - you made me laugh - I have been playing with machinery for 50 years or so and have come to the conclusion - if you dont donate a bit of blood/skin you havent sacrificed enough to the the job. :D > > As always, a very informative & thought provoking reply - my thanks ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono From: "Mallard" David, Your reply came through to my email address but I can't see the post on the forum. I reply now as if it was here! Thanks very much for your informative response David. Yes, I would appreciate more photos from various angles especially showing the location of the bolt holes & if possible showing the Dolly in position during use. Regards James -------- Seat of my pants Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502474#502474 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:49 AM PST US From: Alan Twigg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono Hi David, I copied the design. And have the moulds on loan. Regards Alan Sent from my iPad > On 20 Jun 2021, at 12:19, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > James, Perhaps you will allow me to answer that question! The dolly I have is a one off constructed by Roger Target many years ago, but I have seen a n umber of others build dollies along similar lines or with a wooden base (alt hough the latter are difficult, but not impossible to construct in a way wh ich allows the plane to be lifted off the wheel. The starting point is a sti ff splash moulding of the front part of the fuselage bottom, using multiple l ayers of fibreglass. This then needs to be covered with some padding materia l such as neoprene and attached to some form of framework. As you will see i n the picture, mine has a clever hinging metal structure which can be expand ed with a system made of two cheap car jacks. Further clever features are tw o holes drilled in the fibre glass bit on each side through which large wing nutted bolts go into corresponding holes in the fuselage where captive nuts are located, thus allowing the fuselage to be securely fixed to the dolly s econdly just in front of the wheels are steel pieces with a hole through whi ch further wing nuts can be screwed to securely locate the dolly and its att ached fuselage in my covered trailer. It fits under the fus with the front e dge just behind the rear of the cowlings. The dolly can and fairly frequentl y is used by friends who lack the fixing captive nuts in their fuselage by s imply keeping the rear of the dolly in contact with the plane by passing lon g straps though the doors and round the dolly. Could send more pictures if r equired. > > David Joyce, GXSDJ > > > > >> On 2021-06-20 10:44, Mallard wrote: >> >> >> Hello All, >> Does anyone or the Europa Club have drawings for the proprietary 'Dolly' t o which David Joyce refers in his post? >> >> Thank you >> James >> >> -------- >> Seat of my pants >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502469#502469 >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.cosp; - NEW arget="_blank" rel="noo pener noreferrer">http://wiki.matronics.com< - List Contribution Web S it a href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" t arget="_blank" rel="n======= >> >> >> > <009.JPG> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:53 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono Alan, thanks for that. My reply was rejected because the picture was >3 mb. Mine has rather bigger wheels and also two holes though each outer support piece for wing nutted bolts to go though 1 cm holes in the fus into captive nuts, in order to firmly fix dolly to plane. It also has steel plates with holes through just in front of the wheels to allow the dolly to be screwed down in the trailer. Regards, David On 2021-06-20 16:42, Alan Twigg wrote: > Hi David, I copied the design. > > And have the moulds on loan. > Regards > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 20 Jun 2021, at 12:19, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > James, Perhaps you will allow me to answer that question! The dolly I > have is a one off constructed by Roger Target many years ago, but I > have seen a number of others build dollies along similar lines or with > a wooden base (although the latter are difficult, but not impossible > to construct in a way which allows the plane to be lifted off the > wheel. The starting point is a stiff splash moulding of the front part > of the fuselage bottom, using multiple layers of fibreglass. This then > needs to be covered with some padding material such as neoprene and > attached to some form of framework. As you will see in the picture, > mine has a clever hinging metal structure which can be expanded with a > system made of two cheap car jacks. Further clever features are two > holes drilled in the fibre glass bit on each side through which large > wing nutted bolts go into corresponding holes in the fuselage where > captive nuts are located, thus allowing the fuselage to be securely > fixed to the dolly secondly just in front of the wheels are steel > pieces with a hole through which further wing nuts can be screwed to > securely locate the dolly and its attached fuselage in my covered > trailer. It fits under the fus with the front edge just behind the rear > of the cowlings. The dolly can and fairly frequently is used by friends > who lack the fixing captive nuts in their fuselage by simply keeping > the rear of the dolly in contact with the plane by passing long straps > though the doors and round the dolly. Could send more pictures if > required. > > David Joyce, GXSDJ > > On 2021-06-20 10:44, Mallard wrote: > > Hello All, > Does anyone or the Europa Club have drawings for the proprietary > 'Dolly' to which David Joyce refers in his post? > > Thank you > James > > -------- > Seat of my pants > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502469#502469 > > http://forums.matronics.cosp; - NEW arget="_blank" > rel="noopener noreferrer">http://wiki.matronics.com< - List > Contribution Web Sit a > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank" > rel="n======= > <009.JPG> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono From: "Mallard" David are your bolts into the fuselage primarily to secure the aircraft during transit in your trailer? Regards James -------- Seat of my pants Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502478#502478 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh 2021 From: "h&jeuropa" Oshkosh is scheduled for July 26 - Aug 1. The Europa Forum is scheduled for Tuesday, July 26 from 8:30 - 9:45 AM. The location is the Homebuilders Hangar (same location as previous) which is in grid K9 on the grounds map. The forum is casual, mostly a chance to meet. We're looking forward to seeing many of you! Jim & Heather PS There is a informal beer tasting Sunday, July 24 starting at 4PM in Homebuilt Camping area (grid H8 on the grounds map). Bring some beer from home to share! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502482#502482 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:27 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono They serve a dual function of keeping the plane secure on the trailer for maintenance or for transport. The wheels of the dolly are right at the front of the dolly in order to stay in contact with the ground when you open up the jack mechanism. Without the bolts or firm strapping of the dolly to the fuselage the dolly is not stable and can rotate in a back end down sense and lose proper contact with the fuselage, taking all its weight on the leading edge of the dolly. David On 2021-06-20 18:07, Mallard wrote: > > David are your bolts into the fuselage primarily to secure the aircraft > during transit in your trailer? > > Regards James > > -------- > Seat of my pants > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502478#502478 > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jacking Mono From: "rparigoris" Hi James "Does anyone or the Europa Club have drawings for the proprietary 'Dolly' to which David Joyce refers in his post?" I posted a link to my OneDrive folder that has details on my dolly. There's some of hyper missing so you will need to copy and paste URL. I began with Roger Targett's design. I have all details on Europa Owners for Rodger's design, but the site has issues and is very slow. You can try this link, give it plenty of time, if it times out click try again. You may need to do this many times.: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=77261 Ron P. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502492#502492 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:43 PM PST US From: timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jacking Mono Peter, Following on from David=99s suggestion, I use a very similar method f or a puncture repair of the main wheel. Instead of drilling two holes in the undercarriage arm, I found two bolts drilled into a wooden block with rubber washers and placing the bolts between the wheel and arm is sufficient to lift the aircraft. See photos. Either two jacks as shown or one trolley jack works well. I carry t he wooden block with me with a spare inner tube but not used in 18 years fly ing. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 19/06/2021, at 11:51 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > =EF=BB > Peter, Lifting the plane via an engine hoist is a good solution if you ha ve one! Otherwise you can lift a Europa via its wings although you need to b e extremely careful that the load is well spread. Dealing with a puncture on a trigear is relatively easy by getting someone to lift the wing on the pun ctured side and putting a well padded trestle under that wing to keep the pu nctured wheel off the ground. this technique could be doubled up to get a mo no off the ground, but there are better methods. I would recommend making a j acking block as in the picture the two sawn off coach bolts fit into two equ ivalent holes drilled in the U/C arm and that gives a firm horizontal surfac e for putting any conventional jack under. This was the only solution availa ble when my friend suffered a puncture on one of the Arran Islands. It is al so worth considering building a dolly, which makes all maintenance tasks ver y much easier. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > > > >> On 2021-06-17 23:03, Peter pender wrote: >> >> >> A question if I may, can you jack a mono off the wings or should it be li fted from the fuse/engine frame. Wishing to check flap/gear retraction. >> Cheers Peter >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= --> http://www.matronics .com/; http://www.matro================== == >> >> >> > <4.JPG> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:22 PM PST US From: timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jacking Mono Two more photo for clarity. Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 21/06/2021, at 4:23 PM, timward wrote: > > =EF=BBPeter, > Following on from David=99s suggestion, I use a very similar method for a puncture repair > of the main wheel. Instead of drilling two holes in the undercarriage arm, I found two bolts drilled into a wooden block with rubber washers and placi ng the bolts between the wheel and arm is sufficient to lift the aircraft. S ee photos. Either two jacks as shown or one trolley jack works well. I carry the wooden block with me with a spare inner tube but not used in 18 years f lying. > Cheers, > Tim > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand. > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > 021 0640221 > >>> On 19/06/2021, at 11:51 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: >>> >> =EF=BB >> Peter, Lifting the plane via an engine hoist is a good solution if you h ave one! Otherwise you can lift a Europa via its wings although you need to b e extremely careful that the load is well spread. Dealing with a puncture on a trigear is relatively easy by getting someone to lift the wing on the pun ctured side and putting a well padded trestle under that wing to keep the pu nctured wheel off the ground. this technique could be doubled up to get a mo no off the ground, but there are better methods. I would recommend making a j acking block as in the picture the two sawn off coach bolts fit into two equ ivalent holes drilled in the U/C arm and that gives a firm horizontal surfac e for putting any conventional jack under. This was the only solution availa ble when my friend suffered a puncture on one of the Arran Islands. It is al so worth considering building a dolly, which makes all maintenance tasks ver y much easier. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ >> >> >> >> >>> On 2021-06-17 23:03, Peter pender wrote: >>> >>> >>> A question if I may, can you jack a mono off the wings or should it be l ifted from the fuse/engine frame. Wishing to check flap/gear retraction. >>> Cheers Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= --> http://www.matronic s.com/; http://www.matro================== == >>> >>> >>> >> <4.JPG> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.