Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 08/05/21


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 01:54 AM - Re: mono brake puck (James)
     2. 10:53 AM - Re: mono brake puck (Jerry Rehn)
     3. 11:05 AM - Re: mono brake puck (James)
     4. 12:30 PM - Re: mono brake puck (Bud Yerly)
     5. 12:39 PM - FW: mono brake puck (Bud Yerly)
     6. 08:03 PM - Re: mono brake puck (Fred Klein)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:54:58 AM PST US
    From: "James " <james@kingdom.ie>
    Subject: mono brake puck
    Jerry, When contacting Kart Components for the Brake Caliper Seals, what would you ask for? E.g. does the Europa Brake Caliper have a specific make & model name? Thanks James _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 04 August 2021 23:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Fred, try kartcomponents.com Years ago I got replacement o-rings from them , I think they were a supplier to Europa at that time. An inquiry might be worth a try. I ordered an extra set too, but I just did a search, can=99t find, sorry. Jerry Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com> wrote: =EF=BBThanks BudMy concern about replacement stems from an apparent brake fluid leakdidn=99t realize there was a potential =9CO=9D ring failurealways hate to snip my elegant safety wiringFred On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:50 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: Fred, I've had good luck simply buffing out the pucks and the caliper. It's just aluminum, and rarely does the puck get damaged. It does get a bit rough from corrosion. A freshly smoothed caliper and puck with a new O ring seems to work well. I use a cotton wheel on a Dremel type tool and some red jewelers rouge after a sanding with 1000 grit paper to shine it up. O rings are tough to find. Especially the square edged ones. I'm no help there. I have no spare calipers as I have a Europa mono in the shop with some serious gear/brake issues and may have to rebuild everything! I find it odd that the gear and brakes passed inspection for the last two annuals in this condition. I'm afraid if your disk and caliper are in bad shape the cost of replacements is getting harder. Consider the Berringer Brake unit as a long term solution. I'm just too old to worry about long term, so I spend the time and buff and clean. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com> fklein@orcasonline.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:25 PM europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: mono brake puck fklein@orcasonline.com" < <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com> fklein@orcasonline.com> Gentlemen, I=99m hoping to source a mono brake puck here in the US, perhaps from someone who=99s converted to trigger. 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    Time: 10:53:04 AM PST US
    From: Jerry Rehn <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: mono brake puck
    James I don=99t recall that I had a part number, someone told me they were t he supplier of the brake and they had the parts so they were able to send me what I described as a mono Europa brake. They specialize in karts so I suspect the Europa order was unique and utili zed their kart parts. They may not be producing that brake anymore but hopef ully they may have the parts still around or have a source they could point y ou toward. Jerry Sent from my iPad > On Aug 5, 2021, at 2:00 AM, James <james@kingdom.ie> wrote: > > =EF=BB > Jerry, > When contacting Kart Components for the Brake Caliper Seals, what would yo u ask for? E.g. does the Europa Brake Caliper have a specific make & model n ame? > > Thanks > James > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn > Sent: 04 August 2021 23:32 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck > > Fred, try kartcomponents.com > Years ago I got replacement o-rings from them , I think they were a suppli er to Europa at that time. An inquiry might be worth a try. > I ordered an extra set too, but I just did a search, can=99t find, s orry. > Jerry > > Sent from my iPad > > >> On Aug 4, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> =EF=BBThanks BudMy concern about replacement stems from an ap parent brake fluid leakdidn=99t realize there was a potential =9CO=9D ring failurealways hate to snip my elegant saf ety wiringFred >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:50 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: >> >> Fred, >> I've had good luck simply buffing out the pucks and the caliper. It's ju st aluminum, and rarely does the puck get damaged. It does get a bit rough f rom corrosion. A freshly smoothed caliper and puck with a new O ring seems t o work well. I use a cotton wheel on a Dremel type tool and some red jewele rs rouge after a sanding with 1000 grit paper to shine it up. O rings are t ough to find. Especially the square edged ones. I'm no help there. >> >> I have no spare calipers as I have a Europa mono in the shop with some se rious gear/brake issues and may have to rebuild everything! I find it odd t hat the gear and brakes passed inspection for the last two annuals in this c ondition. >> >> I'm afraid if your disk and caliper are in bad shape the cost of replacem ents is getting harder. Consider the Berringer Brake unit as a long term so lution. I'm just too old to worry about long term, so I spend the time and b uff and clean. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bud Yerly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@ma tronics.com> On Behalf Of fklein@orcasonline.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:25 PM >> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: Europa-List: mono brake puck >> online.com> >> >> Gentlemen, >> >> I=99m hoping to source a mono brake puck here in the US, perhaps fr om someone who=99s converted to trigger. >> >> Please let me know if anyone might have one for sale, >> >> Fred >> A194 >> - The Europa-List Email Forum - >> --> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw ww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad281 63644123e9c08d956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6376363 72926500931%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2BfSQ6YEB0xSFO8ePbdYEDKe6Cu0S 91HjfN9NerWCarI%3D&amp;reserved=0 >> --> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ff orums.matronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d956e71 f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=qJOXe4S2WWNmyhF2SPqV%2BYsrAOwDABj3pQKOza%2FwjP8%3D &amp;reserved=0 >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ma tronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d956e71f98%7C84 df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931%7CUnknown%7CTWFp bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7 C1000&amp;sdata=QH2H8vTMrYORxja2Rfis8oWY6%2BQU7BXyoUCZujEPPrY%3D&amp;reser ved=0 >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> --> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw ww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c 08d956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931 %7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=UZ9OpnBlFzqo50zKLiDgmLsfdMG7IjLyBx%2FKceU UVNg%3D&amp;reserved=0 >>


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    Time: 11:05:54 AM PST US
    From: "James " <james@kingdom.ie>
    Subject: mono brake puck
    Thanks Jerry. _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 05 August 2021 17:27 Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck James I don=99t recall that I had a part number, someone told me they were the supplier of the brake and they had the parts so they were able to send me what I described as a mono Europa brake. They specialize in karts so I suspect the Europa order was unique and utilized their kart parts. They may not be producing that brake anymore but hopefully they may have the parts still around or have a source they could point you toward. Jerry Sent from my iPad On Aug 5, 2021, at 2:00 AM, James <james@kingdom.ie> wrote: =EF=BB Jerry, When contacting Kart Components for the Brake Caliper Seals, what would you ask for? E.g. does the Europa Brake Caliper have a specific make & model name? Thanks James _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 04 August 2021 23:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Fred, try kartcomponents.com Years ago I got replacement o-rings from them , I think they were a supplier to Europa at that time. An inquiry might be worth a try. I ordered an extra set too, but I just did a search, can=99t find, sorry. Jerry Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com> wrote: =EF=BBThanks BudMy concern about replacement stems from an apparent brake fluid leakdidn=99t realize there was a potential =9CO=9D ring failurealways hate to snip my elegant safety wiringFred On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:50 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: Fred, I've had good luck simply buffing out the pucks and the caliper. It's just aluminum, and rarely does the puck get damaged. It does get a bit rough from corrosion. A freshly smoothed caliper and puck with a new O ring seems to work well. I use a cotton wheel on a Dremel type tool and some red jewelers rouge after a sanding with 1000 grit paper to shine it up. O rings are tough to find. Especially the square edged ones. I'm no help there. I have no spare calipers as I have a Europa mono in the shop with some serious gear/brake issues and may have to rebuild everything! I find it odd that the gear and brakes passed inspection for the last two annuals in this condition. I'm afraid if your disk and caliper are in bad shape the cost of replacements is getting harder. Consider the Berringer Brake unit as a long term solution. I'm just too old to worry about long term, so I spend the time and buff and clean. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com> fklein@orcasonline.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:25 PM europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: mono brake puck fklein@orcasonline.com" < <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com> fklein@orcasonline.com> Gentlemen, I=99m hoping to source a mono brake puck here in the US, perhaps from someone who=99s converted to trigger. Please let me know if anyone might have one for sale, Fred A194 - The Europa-List Email Forum - --> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ma tronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163 644123e9c08d956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636 372926500931%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIi LCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2BfSQ6YEB0xSFO8ePbdYED Ke6Cu0S91HjfN9NerWCarI%3D&amp;reserved=0> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mat ronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad281636 44123e9c08d956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6376363 72926500931%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2BfSQ6YEB0xSFO8ePbdYEDK e6Cu0S91HjfN9NerWCarI%3D&amp;reserved=0 --> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums .matronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d956e71f9 8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX VCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=qJOXe4S2WWNmyhF2SPqV%2BYsrAOwDABj3pQKOza%2F wjP8%3D&amp;reserved=0> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums. matronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d956e71f98 %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV CI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=qJOXe4S2WWNmyhF2SPqV%2BYsrAOwDABj3pQKOza%2Fw jP8%3D&amp;reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ma tronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d956e71f98%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931%7CUnknown% 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=QH2H8vTMrYORxja2Rfis8oWY6%2BQU7BXyoUCZujEPPrY% 3D&amp;reserved=0 - List Contribution Web Site - --> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ma tronics.com%2Fcontribution&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08 d956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63763637292650093 1%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=UZ9OpnBlFzqo50zKLiDgmLsfdMG7IjLyBx %2FKceUUVNg%3D&amp;reserved=0> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mat ronics.com%2Fcontribution&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ea3ad28163644123e9c08d 956e71f98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636372926500931 %7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1h aWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=UZ9OpnBlFzqo50zKLiDgmLsfdMG7IjLyBx% 2FKceUUVNg%3D&amp;reserved=0


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    Time: 12:30:55 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: mono brake puck
    Fred, I=92ve got a used and cleaned up complete slave cylinder (caliper, pads and bolts). I also have a spare bleed screw. In my bag of a mono brake I took apart and prepped for a spare is an O rin g also which appears to be 1 3/8 ID 1 5/8 inch OD, 1/8 inch thick O ring is the seal for the piston. Imbedded are a couple of photos. Bud [A picture containing text, dirty Description automatically generated] [A picture containing indoor, dirty Description automatically generated] From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> On Behalf Of fklein@orcasonline.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2021 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Bud=85forgive me, but when I look at the exploded view, 29-8, in the XS Bui ld Manual, I don=92t see any hint that the Europa =93Brake Slave Cylinder L G23" breaks down into pieces or contains an O ring. >From what you=92ve written, I=92m thinking that if I remove the two AN4H-15 A bolts, doing so will allow me access to the O ring that you=92ve mentione d=85Please confirm=85or=85Is the puck, or slave cylinder, just a block with a hole in it?=85and if so, where is this O ring? Please forgive my ignorance. My leak appears to be coming from the bleeder screw; however, I have, as pe r the manual, wrapped the bleeder screw in PTFE tape. BTW, I=92ve really trashed the hex portion of the bleeder screw, so I=92d l ove to find a replacement. Fred On Aug 4, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn .com>> wrote: The more you make things secure and tidy, the more you get practice doing i t over. Best Regards, Bud From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europ a-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf OfFred Klein Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Thanks Bud=85My concern about replacement stems from an apparent brake flui d leak=85didn=92t realize there was a potential =93O=94 ring failure=85alwa ys hate to snip my elegant safety wiring=85Fred On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:50 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn .com>> wrote: Fred, I've had good luck simply buffing out the pucks and the caliper. It's just aluminum, and rarely does the puck get damaged. It does get a bit rough fr om corrosion. A freshly smoothed caliper and puck with a new O ring seems to work well. I use a cotton wheel on a Dremel type tool and some red jewe lers rouge after a sanding with 1000 grit paper to shine it up. O rings ar e tough to find. Especially the square edged ones. I'm no help there. I have no spare calipers as I have a Europa mono in the shop with some seri ous gear/brake issues and may have to rebuild everything! I find it odd th at the gear and brakes passed inspection for the last two annuals in this c ondition. I'm afraid if your disk and caliper are in bad shape the cost of replacemen ts is getting harder. Consider the Berringer Brake unit as a long term sol ution. I'm just too old to worry about long term, so I spend the time and buff and clean. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europ a-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fk lein@orcasonline.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:25 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: mono brake puck casonline.com>" <fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>> Gentlemen, I=92m hoping to source a mono brake puck here in the US, perhaps from someo ne who=92s converted to trigger. 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    Time: 12:39:54 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: mono brake puck
    Fred, I=92ve got a used and cleaned up complete slave cylinder (caliper, pads and bolts). I also have a spare bleed screw. In my bag of a mono brake I took apart and prepped for a spare is an O rin g also which appears to be 1 3/8 ID 1 5/8 inch OD, 1/8 inch thick O ring is the seal for the piston. The photos I sent to your personal email. Bud From: Bud Yerly Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2021 3:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: mono brake puck Fred, I=92ve got a used and cleaned up complete slave cylinder (caliper, pads and bolts). I also have a spare bleed screw. In my bag of a mono brake I took apart and prepped for a spare is an O rin g also which appears to be 1 3/8 ID 1 5/8 inch OD, 1/8 inch thick O ring is the seal for the piston. Imbedded are a couple of photos. Bud [A picture containing text, dirty Description automatically generated] [A picture containing indoor, dirty Description automatically generated] From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europ a-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fk lein@orcasonline.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2021 10:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Bud=85forgive me, but when I look at the exploded view, 29-8, in the XS Bui ld Manual, I don=92t see any hint that the Europa =93Brake Slave Cylinder L G23" breaks down into pieces or contains an O ring. >From what you=92ve written, I=92m thinking that if I remove the two AN4H-15 A bolts, doing so will allow me access to the O ring that you=92ve mentione d=85Please confirm=85or=85Is the puck, or slave cylinder, just a block with a hole in it?=85and if so, where is this O ring? Please forgive my ignorance. My leak appears to be coming from the bleeder screw; however, I have, as pe r the manual, wrapped the bleeder screw in PTFE tape. BTW, I=92ve really trashed the hex portion of the bleeder screw, so I=92d l ove to find a replacement. Fred On Aug 4, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn .com>> wrote: The more you make things secure and tidy, the more you get practice doing i t over. Best Regards, Bud From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europ a-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf OfFred Klein Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2021 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake puck Thanks Bud=85My concern about replacement stems from an apparent brake flui d leak=85didn=92t realize there was a potential =93O=94 ring failure=85alwa ys hate to snip my elegant safety wiring=85Fred On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:50 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn .com>> wrote: Fred, I've had good luck simply buffing out the pucks and the caliper. It's just aluminum, and rarely does the puck get damaged. It does get a bit rough fr om corrosion. A freshly smoothed caliper and puck with a new O ring seems to work well. I use a cotton wheel on a Dremel type tool and some red jewe lers rouge after a sanding with 1000 grit paper to shine it up. O rings ar e tough to find. Especially the square edged ones. I'm no help there. I have no spare calipers as I have a Europa mono in the shop with some seri ous gear/brake issues and may have to rebuild everything! I find it odd th at the gear and brakes passed inspection for the last two annuals in this c ondition. I'm afraid if your disk and caliper are in bad shape the cost of replacemen ts is getting harder. Consider the Berringer Brake unit as a long term sol ution. I'm just too old to worry about long term, so I spend the time and buff and clean. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-europ a-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fk lein@orcasonline.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 9:25 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: mono brake puck casonline.com>" <fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>> Gentlemen, I=92m hoping to source a mono brake puck here in the US, perhaps from someo ne who=92s converted to trigger. 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    Time: 08:03:29 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: mono brake puck
    Gents, Thanks so much for responses to my concerns about my leaking brake on the mono wheel. Special thanks to Ron P for the link to the how to youtube which revealed what had previously been a mystery to me about how the brake works and how (to find and) to replace the O ring. Also to Bud for the offer of a complete new brake set up. Ive spent the day disassembling, buffing out some incipient corrosion, repainting and reassembling my unitmanaged to source what appears to be the proper size O ring from local auto parts store, so Im all set to reassemble and pressure bleed the system. Much obliged, Fred A194




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