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     1. 02:48 AM - Re: XS Main Gear Legs (D McFadyean)
     2. 12:21 PM - Re: XS Main Gear Legs (=?UTF-8?Q?arwel=2Epritchard=40powercom=2Eltd=2Euk=AC?=)
     3. 02:48 PM - Re: XS Main Gear Legs (Bud Yerly)
     4. 05:11 PM - Re: XS Main Gear Legs (Mike Christine Duane)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:48:46 AM PST US
    From: D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Re: XS Main Gear Legs
    It might also be the effect of rolling the a/c backwards against the toe-in of the gear; Other aircraft (eg Jabiru) display this effect. Otherwise, it takes accident damage to induce a permanent set to the taper-rod legs of a Rans S6, for example. Duncan McF. > On 12 September 2021 at 01:55 William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote: > > Arwel, > > Before you tear your plane apart are you sure this isnt pilot paranoia. (I suffer from this from time to time) > > Measure at least 3 times in as many different ways as you can conceive. And measure again. And make sure your reference point is level. > > It might also be the build. One end of my tail is 13mm lower than the other despite my best efforts. (Flies fine though.) > > Will > > William Daniell > +1 786 878 0246 > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 14:18 arwel pritchard <arwel.pritchard@powercom.ltd.uk mailto:arwel.pritchard@powercom.ltd.uk > wrote: > > > > > Good evening > > > > I have a feeling that the main gear legs on my XS are slightly out of > > line. I think its due to a couple of hard landings. When I looked at the > > plane (looking at the front from about 8m away) in the hangar today, it > > looks as if its leaning slightly to the right. > > > > I have checked the sockets and the re-inforcing ply in the fuselage and > > all looks to be ok. > > > > My question is, how easy is it to fit new legs? There is a video on > > youtube showing a guy changing one leg. It appears all he does is remove > > the socket bolt, pull out the leg, then insert the new one and replace > > the bolt, job done. Is there any re-alignment of any kind to do? > > > > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Arwel > > > > ========== > > pa-List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > > ========== > > FORUMS - > > eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > WIKI - > > errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > > ========== > > b Site - > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:21:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: XS Main Gear Legs
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    Time: 02:48:38 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: XS Main Gear Legs
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    Time: 05:11:56 PM PST US
    From: Mike Christine Duane <duanefamly@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: XS Main Gear Legs
    Bud and Anita, CONGRATULATIONS on another year of marital bliss. I hope you get oh so many more. Mike Duane -----Original Message----- From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2021 2:48 pm Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Main Gear Legs <!--#yiv2399353904 _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv2399353904 #yiv2399353904 p .yiv2399353904MsoNormal, #yiv2399353904 li.yiv2399353904MsoNormal, #yiv2399 353904 div.yiv2399353904MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv2399353904 a:link, #yiv2399353904 span.yiv239935 3904MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2399353904 a:vi sited, #yiv2399353904 span.yiv2399353904MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2399353904 p.yiv2399353904msonormal0, #yiv23 99353904 li.yiv2399353904msonormal0, #yiv2399353904 div.yiv2399353904msonor mal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr i", sans-serif;}#yiv2399353904 span.yiv2399353904EmailStyle20 {font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv2399353904 span.yiv2399353904Sp ellE {}#yiv2399353904 span.yiv2399353904GramE {}#yiv2399353904 .yiv23993539 04MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv239935 3904 div.yiv2399353904WordSection1 {}-->Arwel, Don=99t be alarmed by the tire wear. It is a shame the manual doesn=99t emphasize the cambe r angle of the mains.=C2-The tire wear on the outside is going to happen. =C2-See Chapter 29T. Note that the gear, with the wheels off (if perfectl y built) should have the axles aligned with the longitudinal axis of the fu selage and the camber angle (top of the tire towed out) is almost an inch. =C2-Hence tire wear. If both tires are wearing evenly, the plane may look like it is leaning a bit, but if the gear legs aren=99t loose or ben t don=99t panic.=C2- =C2- I=99ve seen guys put the gear in out of alignment during the build.=C2-During the annual, I pulled the wh eels, measured everything and I can=99t fix a bad build.=C2-Heavy E uropa=99s (1000 lb empty weight) suffer gear leg bends.=C2-It happe ns. =C2- Rarely does a home builder get the gear perfect.=C2-I pride m yself on a good jig and careful work, but the gear legs are slightly differ ent, and a few firm landings may tweak the gear a bit even when built perfe ctly.=C2- =C2- We have a similar problem in the RV community (our Euro pa trigear legs are extremely similar to the RV4 legs).=C2- The gear are slanted aft on the RV and they tend to bend outward and twist back making f or toe out which on a conventional gear aircraft is less than ideal, but li vable.=C2-Our gear twist outboard also and of course bend upward reducing the camber and creating toe out.=C2- =C2- All you can do is on the an nual, jack the plane off the gear, break out the chalk line, drop a plumb b ob off the tail and from between the nose gear attachments (the nose gear i s rarely perfectly straight) then while servicing the tires lay a straight angle iron on the floor and check for yourself.=C2-You can=99t do i t with the gear spindles on blocks.=C2-Because the gear obviously bends a nd twists with the weight.=C2-(There are pictures of my cradle on line wh ich I frequently use.) Some put a block under the nose tire, lift the tail by the stab tubes and put a trestle (saw horse) under the tailpost.=C2-Wi th the wings off, the main wheels keep it from rolling over, then block the main gear lightly, pull the wheels off and start a quick measure. =C2- By the way, nice looking tire tread.=C2-A lot of landing left.=C2- (Per sonally, I don=99t swap the tires left to right as it is easier to ju st put on new tires since you have to swap wheels also.)=C2-It=99s an airplane, it costs money to keep flying. =C2- Your lucky, it=99 s our anniversary yesterday so we=99re going out to eat so I=99 ll save you all my drivel. =C2- Best Regards, Bud Yerly =C2- =C2- =C2- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com> On Behalf Of?arwel.pritchard@powercom.ltd.uk? Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Main Gear Legs =C2- I've been doing a weigh t and balance report today and noticed that theright hand side tyre has wor n unevenly, suggesting that the leg is not straight. Hopefully this will co nfirm my worst fears, what do you think guys? Best regards =C2- Arwel -------- Original message -------- From: D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Main Gear Legs It might also be the effect of rolling the a/c backwards against the toe-in of the gear; Other aircraft (eg Jabiru) display this effect. Otherwise, it takes accident damage to induce a permanent set to the taper-rod legs of a Rans S6, for example. =C2- Duncan McF. On 12 September 2021 at 01:55 William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote: Arwel, =C2- Before you tear your plane apart are you sure thisis nt pilot paranoia.=C2- =C2-(I suffer from this from time to time) =C2 - Measure at least 3 times in as many different ways as you can conceive. =C2- =C2-And measure again.=C2- =C2-And make sure your reference po int is level. =C2- It might also be the build.=C2- =C2-One end of my tail is 13mm lower than the other despite my best efforts.=C2- (Flies fi ne though.) =C2- Will William Daniell +1 786 878 0246 =C2- On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 14:18arwel pritchard <arwel. pritchard@powercom.ltd.uk> wrote: .ltd.uk> Good evening I have a feeling that the main gear legs on my XS are slightly out of line. I think its due to a couple of hard landings. When I looked at the plane (looking at the front from about 8m away) in the hangar today, it looks as if its leaning slightly to the right. I have checked the sockets and the re-inforcing ply in the fuselage and all looks to be ok. My question is, how easy is it to fit new legs? There is a video on youtube showing a guy changing one leg. It appears all he does is remove the socket bolt, pull out the leg, then insert the new one and replace the bolt, job done. Is there any re-alignment of any kind to do? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks Arwel =========== pa-List" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List =========== FORUMS - eferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - errer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution =========== =C2-




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