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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (JonathanMilbank)
2. 07:28 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (SPURPURA)
3. 08:19 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (Bud Yerly)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (Pete)
5. 09:56 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (timward)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Oil temperature issue during climb (rparigoris)
7. 10:26 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (Pete)
8. 10:27 AM - Re: Oil temperature issue during climb (n7188u)
9. 10:39 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (timward)
10. 10:51 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (Pete)
11. 11:10 AM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (JonathanMilbank)
12. 01:30 PM - Re: Rotax Cooling Air Baffle (rparigoris)
13. 05:57 PM - Re: Exhaust springs source? (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Sorry, can't help with replacement springs but a couple snapped on my CKT exhaust.
After replacing them, I copied what someone else does to cut down high frequency
vibration. First put safety locking wire through the spring centre as usual
and secure it around the spring attachment hooks, to prevent broken springs
falling onto Scotland and perhaps choking cows.
Wrap another piece of locking wire right around the exhaust header tube to include
both springs on either side, so that tightening the wire causes both springs
to bow in slightly towards the exhaust tube. Then smear an approx 1/4 inch
wide streak of high temperature silicone along the length of the spring, on the
side furthest away from the exhaust tube.
So far this plan is working for me, with no broken springs in over a year.
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Try McMaster Carr, they are great for any hardware.
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust is
prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and failure
.
Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" bead of
high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop just s
nug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and also t
o prevent damage and dropped objects.
See my troubleshooting guide.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been having
a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
Any suggestions?
Thx!
Pic is what i=92m looking for.
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Thx Bud etal,
Nuther question: I=99m repairing my second cracked clean off exhaust f
lange. :(. Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended from the e
ngine-side frame. Anyone else see these failures?
Cheers and thx!
PeteZ
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust is
prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and failure
.
>
> Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" bead o
f high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop just s
nug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and also to
prevent damage and dropped objects.
>
> See my troubleshooting guide.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
> Get Outlook for Android
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@mat
ronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
>
> My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been havin
g a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thx!
>
> Pic is what i=99m looking for.
> <image0.jpeg>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
I have always been perplexed by the need for springs on the original Europa C
lassic exhaust system. Due to the design the exhaust can neither move forwar
d or aft nor up or down. Number one and two cylinder pipes counteract the up
and down, and the number three and four cylinder pipes counteract the forwa
rd and aft.
I have had no problems with my system for the last 20 years and 900hrs. The s
prings remain in place but to me, they are useless.
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 19/11/2021, at 6:42 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Thx Bud etal,
>
> Nuther question: I=99m repairing my second cracked clean off exhaus
t flange. :(. Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended from t
he engine-side frame. Anyone else see these failures?
>
> Cheers and thx!
> PeteZ
>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB
>> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust i
s prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and failur
e.
>>
>> Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" bead o
f high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop just s
nug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and also to
prevent damage and dropped objects.
>>
>> See my troubleshooting guide.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@ma
tronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
>> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
>>
>> My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been havi
ng a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thx!
>>
>> Pic is what i=99m looking for.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil temperature issue during climb |
Hi Chris
The tan that I'm curious about is on the first pic you posted, on the outboard
side of the radiator duct on the left side just above the black baffle seal.
Perhaps adhesive? Or?? Thx. Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Hi Tim,
My sentiments as well.
912S? Very Encouraging data, but makes me wonder why mine have cracked. Eng
ine is running smoothly, and prop dynamically balanced.
Cheers!
PeteZ
(In Canuckstan)
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:04 PM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBI have always been perplexed by the need for springs on the origi
nal Europa Classic exhaust system. Due to the design the exhaust can neither
move forward or aft nor up or down. Number one and two cylinder pipes count
eract the up and down, and the number three and four cylinder pipes countera
ct the forward and aft.
> I have had no problems with my system for the last 20 years and 900hrs. Th
e springs remain in place but to me, they are useless.
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
>
>>> On 19/11/2021, at 6:42 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB
>> Thx Bud etal,
>>
>> Nuther question: I=99m repairing my second cracked clean off exhau
st flange. :(. Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended from t
he engine-side frame. Anyone else see these failures?
>>
>> Cheers and thx!
>> PeteZ
>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> =EF=BB
>>> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust i
s prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and failur
e.
>>>
>>> Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" bead
of high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop just
snug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and also t
o prevent damage and dropped objects.
>>>
>>> See my troubleshooting guide.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Bud Yerly
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@m
atronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
>>> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
>>>
>>> My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been hav
ing a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thx!
>>>
>>> Pic is what i=99m looking for.
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil temperature issue during climb |
Oh, I see what you mean.
There is actually nothing there. Must be a shadow from the flash :) The seal is
just riveted in place.
Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Pete,,
Yes 912S. Check engine mounts for wear and exhaust engine lugs correct torqu
e?
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 19/11/2021, at 7:33 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Hi Tim,
>
> My sentiments as well.
>
> 912S? Very Encouraging data, but makes me wonder why mine have cracked. E
ngine is running smoothly, and prop dynamically balanced.
>
> Cheers!
> PeteZ
> (In Canuckstan)
>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:04 PM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BBI have always been perplexed by the need for springs on the orig
inal Europa Classic exhaust system. Due to the design the exhaust can neithe
r move forward or aft nor up or down. Number one and two cylinder pipes coun
teract the up and down, and the number three and four cylinder pipes counter
act the forward and aft.
>> I have had no problems with my system for the last 20 years and 900hrs. T
he springs remain in place but to me, they are useless.
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Tim Ward
>> 12 Waiwetu Street,
>> Fendalton,
>> Christchurch, 8052
>> New Zealand.
>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>> 021 0640221
>>
>>>> On 19/11/2021, at 6:42 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> =EF=BB
>>> Thx Bud etal,
>>>
>>> Nuther question: I=99m repairing my second cracked clean off exha
ust flange. :(. Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended from
the engine-side frame. Anyone else see these failures?
>>>
>>> Cheers and thx!
>>> PeteZ
>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> =EF=BB
>>>> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust
is prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and fail
ure.
>>>>
>>>> Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" bea
d of high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop jus
t snug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and also
to prevent damage and dropped objects.
>>>>
>>>> See my troubleshooting guide.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Bud Yerly
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for Android
>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@
matronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
>>>> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
>>>>
>>>> My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been ha
ving a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Thx!
>>>>
>>>> Pic is what i=99m looking for.
>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
Mounts were/are good.
I will check the torque tho. I guess the inference is that there should be m
ovement possible against the head port? I find that idea to be concerning
..with the aluminum seat expected to be quickly wearing.
Thx again!
PeteZ
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:46 PM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBPete,,
> Yes 912S. Check engine mounts for wear and exhaust engine lugs correct tor
que?
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
>
>>> On 19/11/2021, at 7:33 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> My sentiments as well.
>>
>> 912S? Very Encouraging data, but makes me wonder why mine have cracked. E
ngine is running smoothly, and prop dynamically balanced.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> PeteZ
>> (In Canuckstan)
>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:04 PM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>> =EF=BBI have always been perplexed by the need for springs on the ori
ginal Europa Classic exhaust system. Due to the design the exhaust can neith
er move forward or aft nor up or down. Number one and two cylinder pipes cou
nteract the up and down, and the number three and four cylinder pipes counte
ract the forward and aft.
>>> I have had no problems with my system for the last 20 years and 900hrs. T
he springs remain in place but to me, they are useless.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> Tim Ward
>>> 12 Waiwetu Street,
>>> Fendalton,
>>> Christchurch, 8052
>>> New Zealand.
>>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>>> 021 0640221
>>>
>>>>> On 19/11/2021, at 6:42 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> =EF=BB
>>>> Thx Bud etal,
>>>>
>>>> Nuther question: I=99m repairing my second cracked clean off exh
aust flange. :(. Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended fro
m the engine-side frame. Anyone else see these failures?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers and thx!
>>>> PeteZ
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> =EF=BB
>>>>> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaus
t is prone to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and fai
lure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy quality stainless springs that will pull about 1/2", put a 1/4" be
ad of high temp silicone to dampen vibration, run a .040 safety wire loop ju
st snug to retain pieces and prevent components from failing to seal and als
o to prevent damage and dropped objects.
>>>>>
>>>>> See my troubleshooting guide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Bud Yerly
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android
>>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server
@matronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:49:28 PM
>>>>> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs source?
>>>>>
>>>>> My fine classic was missing one of its exhaust springs, and ive been h
aving a hard time sourcing (been using regular springs as a stop gap).
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pic is what i=99m looking for.
>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust springs source? |
When I still had the Classic FWFWD installation with original exhaust, I also experienced
2 x cracked clean off exhaust flanges. So I suspended the silencer
by means of 2 jubilee clips, one around each of #3 and #4 exhaust tubes ( I think?
), close to where they enter the muffler box. Tucked under the clips were
short strips of steel bent into suitable hooks with one hole for a bolt in their
upper ends, which "peeped over" the top of the muffler and were bent about
45 degrees towards the crankcase.
I fashioned two small thick aluminium plates with 2 holes in each; one hole large
enough for the bottom engine mount bolt which screws in to the crankcase and
another small hole for a bolt; same size as the bolt holes in the hooks. On
each side of the engine I used longish straps of steel ( 1/2 " wide, same as used
for the hooks ), with a hole in each end of the straps.
So there you have it! On each side of the engine are 4 components weighing almost
nothing. Aluminium plate fastened by the lower engine bolt, narrow steel strap
with bolt holes at each end, hook with hole in one end to attach to steel
strap and jubilee clip. Plus of course 2 bolts with stiff-nuts.
I continued to fly my Classic for another 3 or 4 years, with no further broken
flanges.
[quote="peterz(at)zutrasoft.com"]Thx Bud etal,
Nuther question: Im repairing my second cracked clean off exhaust flange. :(.
Im surprised the heavy classic muffler is not suspended from the engine-side frame.
Anyone else see these failures?
Cheers and thx!
PeteZ
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
>
> Look to motorcycle supply sources or shops. The Classic and XS exhaust is prone
to exhaust spring resonance fatigue, corrosion, weakening and failure
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Cooling Air Baffle |
Hi Group We completed our CAB for 914 XS mono. It has rebate for B&C SD20S alternator,
#1 cylinder has a scoop, gap #1 cylinder inboard top crankcase sealed,
sealed between cylinders inboard of fins and on 3 cylinders inboard of fins to
CAB, dammed a huge leak aft and near cylinder #3 and used Silicone foam most
aft central to slow leak: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9VgeIUVBgsSTq-KOL22w
We mutilated the intake of the CAB and moved flange way back and have it plumbed
with a SCAT Duct: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9VgeILZu1KhZulPMJUuw
To install, using a Snow Globe that gives us one fingers worth of clearance for
taking cowl off or putting it on:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9VgeIKHAHKF743qDzKVg?e=Td3Y7B
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9VgeIJjp4k4b03VBlHhg?e=Hre97E
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9VgeIObtNSh8mzCvURkA?e=II78TM
We are holding the CAB down with 1 central bolt and spacer to crankcase and welded
a tab to the ignition bracket to hold it down in back. Ron P.
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