---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/15/21: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:18 AM - Induction cold air plenum (n7188u) 2. 06:56 AM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (Steve Ivell) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (n7188u) 4. 07:08 AM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (n7188u) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Induction cold air plenum (Steve Ivell) 6. 08:08 AM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (n7188u) 7. 10:54 AM - Naca Duct Size (daaza22) 8. 12:32 PM - Re: Naca Duct Size (timward) 9. 12:57 PM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (SPURPURA) 10. 01:32 PM - Re: Naca Duct Size (daaza22) 11. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Naca Duct Size (timward) 12. 01:53 PM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (n7188u) 13. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Induction cold air plenum (Bud Yerly) 14. 03:52 PM - FW: Re: Induction cold air plenum (Bud Yerly) 15. 05:25 PM - Re: Induction cold air plenum (budyerly@msn.com) 16. 06:54 PM - Re: Mandatory U.K. LAA permit directive. Shoot-Bolt stop (Area-51) 17. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: Naca Duct Size (timward) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Induction cold air plenum From: "n7188u" Dear Europa fans, I am in the process of removing the two K&N cone style air filters that have served me well for the first 100 hrs of my new Europa flying career and replacing them with the induction cold air plenum (per strong recommendation from Bud!). I have installed the plenum and I am in the process of making the NACA scoop. However, I have found that the plenum is so high that it sits very close to the cowling to the point that clearance at each of the plenum's forward corners is minimal. The biggest issue I see is that the NACA scoop bottom sits bellow the top surface of the plenum, very different from what the manual shows and certainly doesn't look very efficient from an air flow perspective. Just to check, are there two different plenums for the Classic and XS? Mine was not in the kit and was donated by a nice person in the UK so not sure if I have the right one. If the same them I guess it is what it is. Thanks for the feedback, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505263#505263 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:10 AM PST US From: Steve Ivell Subject: RE: Europa-List: Induction cold air plenum Hi Chris Our Europa is an XS and there is a reasonable clearance such that the bottom of the NACA scoopsits just above the filter. The gaps around the edges of the planum are made up with rubber strip. Seems to work great. Our cowling came from the factory with lines set into the gelcoat showing the position to cut out the hole for the scoop......made life easy. I guess your plenum could be fairly easily cut down to give you the required position. So my idea would be to cut out a strip and glass the two halves back together. I hope that make sense......and good luck. Kind Regards Steve Ivell G-STES XS 912s Hightop with a wobbly prop. Mob: 07971 128842 E-mail: steveivell@pestproof.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of n7188u Sent: 15 December 2021 14:18 Subject: Europa-List: Induction cold air plenum Dear Europa fans, I am in the process of removing the two K&N cone style air filters that have served me well for the first 100 hrs of my new Europa flying career and replacing them with the induction cold air plenum (per strong recommendation from Bud!). I have installed the plenum and I am in the process of making the NACA scoop. However, I have found that the plenum is so high that it sits very close to the cowling to the point that clearance at each of the plenum's forward corners is minimal. The biggest issue I see is that the NACA scoop bottom sits bellow the top surface of the plenum, very different from what the manual shows and certainly doesn't look very efficient from an air flow perspective. Just to check, are there two different plenums for the Classic and XS? Mine was not in the kit and was donated by a nice person in the UK so not sure if I have the right one. If the same them I guess it is what it is. Thanks for the feedback, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505263#505263 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "n7188u" In my quest to seek the answer to my question I found a 2018 parts catalog from Europa and they do list a plenum for the XS and the Classic. Now the job is to determine which one do I have. Anyone out there with some basic dimensions such as height of the plenum top from the carburetor bore centerline? Thanks, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505265#505265 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "n7188u" Thanks for the reply Steve. I have though of modifying the plenum but before I jump the gun I will see if I can get any feedback on whether there are two different plenums and determine if I have the wrong one. Some basic dimensions when possible would help (in case there are indeed two different ones). I can then entertain the idea of buying a new plenum or modifying this one (it's composite and we have the knowledge of how to fix almost anything, right?). I have invested quite a bit of time on this one (reinforcements, aluminum tubes on the carb tubes) but I'll see when time comes to make a final decision. For now I guess I will keep flying with my K&N cones. Best Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505266#505266 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:46 AM PST US From: Steve Ivell Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum I'm no expert but I'd say you could probably build a whole Europa quicker than you can get a new plenum from the Europa Factory. Lol.........I'd be fixing the one you have if I was you. Kind Regards Steve Ivell Mob: 07971 128842 E-mail: steveivell@pestproof.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of n7188u Sent: 15 December 2021 15:08 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum Thanks for the reply Steve. I have though of modifying the plenum but before I jump the gun I will see if I can get any feedback on whether there are two different plenums and determine if I have the wrong one. Some basic dimensions when possible would help (in case there are indeed two different ones). I can then entertain the idea of buying a new plenum or modifying this one (it's composite and we have the knowledge of how to fix almost anything, right?). I have invested quite a bit of time on this one (reinforcements, aluminum tubes on the carb tubes) but I'll see when time comes to make a final decision. For now I guess I will keep flying with my K&N cones. Best Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505266#505266 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:15 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "n7188u" Probably true Steve. I am going to have it quoted though but I was looking at the plenum and modifying it may not be too bad. At least I can try and I am in no rush since my airplane, after all, is flying. I was curious to see how much better the engine would run with this plenum. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505268#505268 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Naca Duct Size From: "daaza22" Hi everybody.. I am at the stage of fitting the firewall forward parts on my "Classic" build. My question is what size should the Naca Duct for the cold air plenum be ? Cheers Darren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505269#505269 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US From: timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Naca Duct Size Hi Darren, Measurements not given in the Mod 43 so I made my Naca Duct dimensions appro ximately 100mm x 25mm. I also centred it on the top cowl, looks better and n ot in the way of the coolant cap. See photo. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 16/12/2021, at 8:02 AM, daaza22 wrote: > om> > > Hi everybody.. > I am at the stage of fitting the firewall forward parts on my "Classic" b uild. > My question is what size should the Naca Duct for the cold air plenum be ? > > Cheers Darren > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505269#505269 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "SPURPURA" Thats the same as my XS plenum and fits pretty tight, just like everything else. -------- N951EU - Tri-gear & 912ULS, N77EU- Mono & 914 I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505271#505271 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Naca Duct Size From: "daaza22" Tim Thanks for the reply and photo . sorry to be a pain but could you confirm 25mm for the narrow end 100mm for widest part 100mm long . ? Darren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505272#505272 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:43 PM PST US From: timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Naca Duct Size Darren, That is the opening into the plenum chamber approximately. If you are not in a hurry I can measure it exactly next time at the hanger. The length is rea lly up to you, however a gentle entrance to direct the airflow would be bett er. Not too much pressure build up. See photo. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 16/12/2021, at 10:39 AM, daaza22 wrote: > om> > > Tim > Thanks for the reply and photo . > sorry to be a pain but could you confirm > 25mm for the narrow end > 100mm for widest part > 100mm long . ? > > Darren > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505272#505272 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "n7188u" Thanks "Spurpura", It's good to hear that mine is like other XSs. I am probably going to do some surgery to this plenum anyway as I want to ensure enough clearance, smooth flow from the scoop into the plenum and some protection against water ingress. As a good airplane homebuilder friend of mine says: "There you go, adding another two month of work to the project" :) Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505274#505274 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:29 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum For those on the matronics list: A good dimensional analysis of the =93NACA=94 duct for proper operation is in the attached NACA document. A ratio of 4 to one width to depth and a shape as shown in the NACA Ames R esearch Center document 5121 attached gives the optimum shape of the inlet. The NACA document has a lip that was changed over the series of tests but i n reality just a flat thin inlet (thickness of the skin) works very well gi ving a good pressure flow rate. I did a paper on plenum inlet design some time ago due to poor fit and ques tions on how large to make the plenum flange on the cowl and also some shap es but the Europa install manual is good enough for most. I would recommen d some changes as in my pdf attached on preventing water intrusion. 1. As a technique, try to have the NACA inlet into the cowl capture the pressure by being semi sealed to the plenum and as we have found out, in ra in, the water tends to =93stick=94 to the boundary layer or skin of the air craft and will flow into the inlet filling the filter. Of course, when pa rked rain will catch in the NACA duct and funnel into your inlet unless you prevent that. One can make a slight deflector on the inlet lip that funne ls the water from inflight and ground use out of the engine inlet. See Air box water intrusion in the carb box pdf attached. 2. For those with home made plenums, be sure to install 1/8 inch drain h oles in the plenum at a point lower than the air inlet to the carb (some so rt of dip prior to the carb inlet would be nice) to prevent water from pool ing in the plenum. 3. Every oil change, pull the filter and look into your plenum as in dam p environments, water, will pool in the plenum, and from the drain holes, s ome pollen or dust will form around the drain hole water drip hole and may in fact plug the drain causing water to get into the carb/engine. Nasty. 4. For the 912/912S owners, in cold and rainy environments, you may be w ell served to install a carb heat system and consider a water deflector or siphon on the inlet to divert water from directly entering the air filter/p lenum hole. On home made plenums I have seen the owner elevate the filter to prevent water intrusion also. I toyed with the idea of a Rotax 912S plenum in the Europa. It would work with possibly less work when changing from two cone type air filter to a ca rb heat and inlet setup. See drawing: [Diagram Description automatically generated] Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of n7188u Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum rb@gmail.com>> Thanks "Spurpura", It's good to hear that mine is like other XSs. I am probably going to do so me surgery to this plenum anyway as I want to ensure enough clearance, smoo th flow from the scoop into the plenum and some protection against water in gress. As a good airplane homebuilder friend of mine says: "There you go, adding a nother two month of work to the project" :) Chris Read this topic online here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ma tronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D505274%23505274&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd 54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0% 7C637752022312156976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2 luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=V4YWaGLlphcY2TYYTDG jPqHcgggZEMp18KJcTJfB0d8%3D&reserved=0 %2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd549 08414ab54bb2f7b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 37752022312156976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=aXEwbuC97ruPgQjxRiuUNJ npKkcyuKRBX181TsHw6Z8%3D&reserved=0 %2Fforums.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9 c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156976%7C Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xmZCSmqnjfluWxVhmgiWNib%2FgPLcDBpEwr2hBm88 20Y%3D&reserved=0 %2Fwiki.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9c0 15d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156976%7CUn known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=K9QmgSkAqeE%2FHLP%2BWljFV1%2BWPF2SqOvm9oDHBj 3FW6M%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fmatronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7 b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156 976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=o4SlhlQ7sjyTzorDay%2B0Br%2BdylHA%2Bk sww0B%2B6WNQWaE%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:17 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: FW: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum For those on the matronics list: A good dimensional analysis of the =93NACA=94 duct for proper operation is in the attached NACA document. A ratio of 4 to one width to depth and a shape as shown in the NACA Ames R esearch Center document 5121 attached gives the optimum shape of the inlet. The NACA document has a lip that was changed over the series of tests but i n reality just a flat thin inlet (thickness of the skin) works very well gi ving a good pressure flow rate. I did a paper on plenum inlet design some time ago due to poor fit and ques tions on how large to make the plenum flange on the cowl and also some shap es but the Europa install manual is good enough for most. I would recommen d some changes as in my pdf attached on preventing water intrusion. 1. As a technique, try to have the NACA inlet into the cowl capture the pressure by being semi sealed to the plenum and as we have found out, in ra in, the water tends to =93stick=94 to the boundary layer or skin of the air craft and will flow into the inlet filling the filter. Of course, when pa rked rain will catch in the NACA duct and funnel into your inlet unless you prevent that. One can make a slight deflector on the inlet lip that funne ls the water from inflight and ground use out of the engine inlet. See Air box water intrusion in the carb box pdf attached. 2. For those with home made plenums, be sure to install 1/8 inch drain h oles in the plenum at a point lower than the air inlet to the carb (some so rt of dip prior to the carb inlet would be nice) to prevent water from pool ing in the plenum. 3. Every oil change, pull the filter and look into your plenum as in dam p environments, water, will pool in the plenum, and from the drain holes, s ome pollen or dust will form around the drain hole water drip hole and may in fact plug the drain causing water to get into the carb/engine. Nasty. 4. For the 912/912S owners, in cold and rainy environments, you may be w ell served to install a carb heat system and consider a water deflector or siphon on the inlet to divert water from directly entering the air filter/p lenum hole. On home made plenums I have seen the owner elevate the filter to prevent water intrusion also. I toyed with the idea of a Rotax 912S plenum in the Europa. It would work with possibly less work when changing from two cone type air filter to a ca rb heat and inlet setup. See drawing: [Diagram Description automatically generated] Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > On Behalf Of n7188u Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum rb@gmail.com>> Thanks "Spurpura", It's good to hear that mine is like other XSs. I am probably going to do so me surgery to this plenum anyway as I want to ensure enough clearance, smoo th flow from the scoop into the plenum and some protection against water in gress. As a good airplane homebuilder friend of mine says: "There you go, adding a nother two month of work to the project" :) Chris Read this topic online here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ma tronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D505274%23505274&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd 54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0% 7C637752022312156976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2 luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=V4YWaGLlphcY2TYYTDG jPqHcgggZEMp18KJcTJfB0d8%3D&reserved=0 %2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd549 08414ab54bb2f7b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 37752022312156976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=aXEwbuC97ruPgQjxRiuUNJ npKkcyuKRBX181TsHw6Z8%3D&reserved=0 %2Fforums.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9 c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156976%7C Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xmZCSmqnjfluWxVhmgiWNib%2FgPLcDBpEwr2hBm88 20Y%3D&reserved=0 %2Fwiki.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7b708d9c0 15d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156976%7CUn known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=K9QmgSkAqeE%2FHLP%2BWljFV1%2BWPF2SqOvm9oDHBj 3FW6M%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fmatronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd54908414ab54bb2f7 b708d9c015d727%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637752022312156 976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=o4SlhlQ7sjyTzorDay%2B0Br%2BdylHA%2Bk sww0B%2B6WNQWaE%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Induction cold air plenum From: "budyerly@msn.com" One more thing. How to you place the NACA duct for your plenum is an issue many have fought. I simply put on the top cowl and screw it down. I then set the front elevation properly to the spinner. Using a marker to trace the outline of the plenum on the cowl inside allows me to precisely plan my cowl seal flange. Once the flange is set, the cowl seal or foam or whatever you wish to get a nice airflow semi seal will work well. That sets the position fore and aft/ left and right for the NACA inlet much easier. From that many plans and measurements can be made and finally whack the curvy lines and set the slope of the inlet ramp. (Technically it is a 7 degree slope for isentropic flow.) Make the sides sharp. It enhances the vortex from the side. If you just follow the manual, it can be a bit misleading, but the NACA placement can be fined tune once the engine is installed by doing the above. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505276#505276 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mandatory U.K. LAA permit directive. Shoot-Bolt stop From: "Area-51" Graphical answer to why europa pilots need to ensure doors are correctly locked before getting airborne and to refrain from opening them in flight... firstly they are positioned in a constant low pressure area trying to tear them off, and secondly once they have departed the airframe about 30% lift is no longer available to maintain altitude... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505277#505277 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/95ba45dd_26b1_4876_a8b4_c30fb01040a2_557.jpeg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:24 PM PST US From: timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Naca Duct Size Hi Darren, Have visited the hangar to take some measurements of the Naca Duct. The opening is 120mm x 34mm. The length of the duct is 230mm. Duct width starts at 20mm to 120mm. Centred from the Spinner. Hope that helps, good luck. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 16/12/2021, at 10:47 AM, timward wrote: > > =EF=BBDarren, > That is the opening into the plenum chamber approximately. If you are not i n a hurry I can measure it exactly next time at the hanger. The length is re ally up to you, however a gentle entrance to direct the airflow would be bet ter. Not too much pressure build up. See photo. > Cheers, > Tim > > > Sent from my iPad > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand. > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > 021 0640221 > >>> On 16/12/2021, at 10:39 AM, daaza22 wrote: >>> com> >> >> Tim >> Thanks for the reply and photo . >> sorry to be a pain but could you confirm >> 25mm for the narrow end >> 100mm for widest part >> 100mm long . ? >> >> Darren >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505272#505272 >> >> >> >> >> >> ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.