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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Pete Zut)
2. 08:08 AM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (JDA)
3. 03:38 PM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Peter pender)
4. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Pete)
5. 05:41 PM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Peter pender)
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? |
Thx John,
I'm not looking to do fully developed spins intentionally, but would like
to be prepared for such if it becomes the result of a full sideslip stall
with flaps. Fwiw, the Katana for example was scary fast on the spin with
flaps and needed them to be retracted for recovery.
Thx again!
PeteZ
On Fri., Jan. 21, 2022, 3:02 a.m. John Wighton, <john@wighton.net> wrote:
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> Andy Draper or Ivan should be able to recall the exact FT schedule, but l
> believe that the FT test pilot did up to 12 rotations in all
> configurations.
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> There was also a comprehensive AGATE led trial in the states that may have
> included spin studies. That is worth reading in any case.
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> I had done incipient stage only, in accordance to UK approvals.
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> Other than for development flying, l am not sure why you would want to do
> dirty multiple spins?
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> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505763#505763
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? |
According to the "Europa News No 3, March 1993" (Europa Aircraft Tech Tips No3
from the Europa Club Website): Norrie Groves, Chief Test Pilot Slingsby Aviation,
carried out an independent test flights for the PFA. Having carried out preliminary
spin testing, "...Norrie then went on to complete two turn spins to
meet the full F.A.R. 23 requirement. This the Europa did with instant recovery
at all c. of g.'s, flaps up, flaps down, gear up, gear down. Norrie went on then
to put in reverse recovery controls after two turns and, in fact explored
crossing controls to simulate a confused, inexperienced pilot. Europa still recovered
easily. Norrie finished up the program with a four turn spin to both left
and right. His comments were that the Europa was very reluctant to spin in
the approach configuration (gear and flaps down)". See the original article for
full info.
Regards,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? |
Hi Pete,
Will have a go at crossed control stalls one day and report back, but as an aside
I was quite surprised at the difference in accelerated stalls gear up and down(mono).
In mine anyway if others are similar I can see why some have come
to grief turning onto final.
Cheers Peter
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? |
Hi Peter,
Many thx for the info! At approx what speed and G did it break with mono flaps
down? In a level pull-up, or bank? Sounds like a challenge to not overspeed the
flaps. That is definitely something Id like to try.
Sooo much to learn :)
Cheers and thx again!
PeteZ
Ps- it will likely be a couple months before I get to testing, as im waiting to
get some refresher and advanced training first in a local acro grob g-115. And
why i was interested in hearing of any pireps to get some europa context. I
am hoping Bud will also chime in when hes recovered.
> On Jan 21, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Peter pender <ppen@live.com.au> wrote:
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> Hi Pete,
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> Will have a go at crossed control stalls one day and report back, but as an aside
I was quite surprised at the difference in accelerated stalls gear up and
down(mono). In mine anyway if others are similar I can see why some have come
to grief turning onto final.
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> Cheers Peter
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505766#505766
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? |
Hi Pete,
I just put gear down, roll 60 degrees, centre stick and pull until it stalls. G
force is proportional to speed. I have the Europa stall warner which in my opinion
is actually AOA and was testing that it gave some warning in all attitudes
and it seems it does. Good idea to get some training or refresher and start
high.
Cheers Peter
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