---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/21/22: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Pete Zut) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (JDA) 3. 03:38 PM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Peter pender) 4. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Pete) 5. 05:41 PM - Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? (Peter pender) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:55 AM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? Thx John, I'm not looking to do fully developed spins intentionally, but would like to be prepared for such if it becomes the result of a full sideslip stall with flaps. Fwiw, the Katana for example was scary fast on the spin with flaps and needed them to be retracted for recovery. Thx again! PeteZ On Fri., Jan. 21, 2022, 3:02 a.m. John Wighton, wrote: > > Andy Draper or Ivan should be able to recall the exact FT schedule, but l > believe that the FT test pilot did up to 12 rotations in all > configurations. > > There was also a comprehensive AGATE led trial in the states that may have > included spin studies. That is worth reading in any case. > > I had done incipient stage only, in accordance to UK approvals. > > Other than for development flying, l am not sure why you would want to do > dirty multiple spins? > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505763#505763 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? From: "JDA" According to the "Europa News No 3, March 1993" (Europa Aircraft Tech Tips No3 from the Europa Club Website): Norrie Groves, Chief Test Pilot Slingsby Aviation, carried out an independent test flights for the PFA. Having carried out preliminary spin testing, "...Norrie then went on to complete two turn spins to meet the full F.A.R. 23 requirement. This the Europa did with instant recovery at all c. of g.'s, flaps up, flaps down, gear up, gear down. Norrie went on then to put in reverse recovery controls after two turns and, in fact explored crossing controls to simulate a confused, inexperienced pilot. Europa still recovered easily. Norrie finished up the program with a four turn spin to both left and right. His comments were that the Europa was very reluctant to spin in the approach configuration (gear and flaps down)". See the original article for full info. Regards, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505765#505765 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? From: "Peter pender" Hi Pete, Will have a go at crossed control stalls one day and report back, but as an aside I was quite surprised at the difference in accelerated stalls gear up and down(mono). In mine anyway if others are similar I can see why some have come to grief turning onto final. Cheers Peter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505766#505766 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:21 PM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? Hi Peter, Many thx for the info! At approx what speed and G did it break with mono flaps down? In a level pull-up, or bank? Sounds like a challenge to not overspeed the flaps. That is definitely something Id like to try. Sooo much to learn :) Cheers and thx again! PeteZ Ps- it will likely be a couple months before I get to testing, as im waiting to get some refresher and advanced training first in a local acro grob g-115. And why i was interested in hearing of any pireps to get some europa context. I am hoping Bud will also chime in when hes recovered. > On Jan 21, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Peter pender wrote: > > > Hi Pete, > > Will have a go at crossed control stalls one day and report back, but as an aside I was quite surprised at the difference in accelerated stalls gear up and down(mono). In mine anyway if others are similar I can see why some have come to grief turning onto final. > > Cheers Peter > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505766#505766 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:14 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stalls & spins - any test pilot pireps out there? From: "Peter pender" Hi Pete, I just put gear down, roll 60 degrees, centre stick and pull until it stalls. G force is proportional to speed. I have the Europa stall warner which in my opinion is actually AOA and was testing that it gave some warning in all attitudes and it seems it does. Good idea to get some training or refresher and start high. Cheers Peter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505768#505768 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.