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1. 05:36 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 (h&jeuropa)
2. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid (fklein@orcasonline.com)
3. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid (Westnet Mail)
4. 10:04 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 (Westnet Mail)
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 |
Starting thread for this week.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid |
> On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Hitchflight <bobhitchcock@icloud.com>
wrote:
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> https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/fatal-europa-accident-hilversum
<https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/fatal-europa-accident-hilversum>
Thank you Bob for this linkIn reading the investigation report,
I come to:
> 3.3.1 Incorrect trim setting
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> The trim position was found in the full AND position, which is not a
normal setting for take-off as it creates unnatural control feel flight
and the risk of a ground strike of the propeller.
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Might the capitalized AND be a typo?instead of AND, perhaps
substitute the word, AFT?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid |
=EF=BBG=99day Fred,
Having not seen the AND and ANU terminology before, I found it a bit strange
too.
The accident aircraft was trimmed fully nose down at the time of the acciden
t referred to as AND being Aircraft Nose Down. Likewise ANU = Aircraft No
se Up.
Did you also notice the photo of the =9Cleft=9D tailplane in Fig
3 being in the full ANU position? On my aircraft, that is the right or st
arboard tailplane!!
Chat again soon mate.
Kingsley
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> On 1 Feb 2022, at 1:28 pm, fklein@orcasonline.com wrote:
> =EF=BB
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>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Hitchflight <bobhitchcock@icloud.com> wrote
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>> https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/fatal-europa-accident-hilversum
>
> Thank you Bob for this linkIn reading the investigation report, I
come to:
>> 3.3.1 Incorrect trim setting
>>
>> The trim position was found in the full AND position, which is not a norm
al setting for take-off as it creates unnatural control feel flight and the r
isk of a ground strike of the propeller.
>>
> Might the capitalized AND be a typo?instead of AND, perhaps subst
itute the word, AFT?
>
> Fred
> A194
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 |
Well Jim I am pleased to report I have been doing some flying.
My oldest son has been staying with me and our first flight was from home ( just
West of Brisbane Queensland) to Rockhampton (on Tropic of Capricorn) and return.
A bit over two hours each way.
Second trip was a short out and return Southwest to Clifton on the Western side
of the Great Dividing Range.
Third run was a 2.5 hr circumnavigation of Brisbane in a clockwise direction going
over Somerset Dam, Bribie Island, over Moreton Bay to Cape Moreton (the Northern
most tip of Moreton Island) then down the full extent of the island.
After crossing another small amount of water, we then rounded Point Lookout (named
by Captain Cook in 1770). Point Lookout is the Northern most tip of Stradbroke
Island where much mineral sands have been mined since I was a kid. We then
cut across the island to fly over several of the Moreton Bay islands before
returning home via the South of Brisbane and Amberley restricted airspace.
All in all, quite a picturesque trip.
This morning we did another short out and return North to Watts Bridge Memorial
Airfield formatting with a De Havilland Chipmunk on the way back. While he was
guzzling around 35 LPH of AVGAS, we were sipping 11.5 LPH of unleaded Mogas.
IOW, it was costing him about 4.5 times as much as us for fuel.
Sorry Jim, these flights have been conducted over the last week so dont strictly
fall within your quoted timeframe.
Happy flying to all
Kingsley in Oz
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