---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/31/22: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 (h&jeuropa) 2. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid (fklein@orcasonline.com) 3. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid (Westnet Mail) 4. 10:04 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 (Westnet Mail) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 From: "h&jeuropa" Starting thread for this week. Jim Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505869#505869 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:08 PM PST US From: "fklein@orcasonline.com" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid > On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Hitchflight wrote: > > https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/fatal-europa-accident-hilversum Thank you Bob for this linkIn reading the investigation report, I come to: > 3.3.1 Incorrect trim setting > > The trim position was found in the full AND position, which is not a normal setting for take-off as it creates unnatural control feel flight and the risk of a ground strike of the propeller. > Might the capitalized AND be a typo?instead of AND, perhaps substitute the word, AFT? Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:31 PM PST US From: Westnet Mail Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Updates over Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid =EF=BBG=99day Fred, Having not seen the AND and ANU terminology before, I found it a bit strange too. The accident aircraft was trimmed fully nose down at the time of the acciden t referred to as AND being Aircraft Nose Down. Likewise ANU = Aircraft No se Up. Did you also notice the photo of the =9Cleft=9D tailplane in Fig 3 being in the full ANU position? On my aircraft, that is the right or st arboard tailplane!! Chat again soon mate. Kingsley Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Feb 2022, at 1:28 pm, fklein@orcasonline.com wrote: > =EF=BB > >> On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Hitchflight wrote : >> >> https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/fatal-europa-accident-hilversum > > Thank you Bob for this linkIn reading the investigation report, I come to: >> 3.3.1 Incorrect trim setting >> >> The trim position was found in the full AND position, which is not a norm al setting for take-off as it creates unnatural control feel flight and the r isk of a ground strike of the propeller. >> > Might the capitalized AND be a typo?instead of AND, perhaps subst itute the word, AFT? > > Fred > A194 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:56 PM PST US From: Westnet Mail Subject: Re: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 Well Jim I am pleased to report I have been doing some flying. My oldest son has been staying with me and our first flight was from home ( just West of Brisbane Queensland) to Rockhampton (on Tropic of Capricorn) and return. A bit over two hours each way. Second trip was a short out and return Southwest to Clifton on the Western side of the Great Dividing Range. Third run was a 2.5 hr circumnavigation of Brisbane in a clockwise direction going over Somerset Dam, Bribie Island, over Moreton Bay to Cape Moreton (the Northern most tip of Moreton Island) then down the full extent of the island. After crossing another small amount of water, we then rounded Point Lookout (named by Captain Cook in 1770). Point Lookout is the Northern most tip of Stradbroke Island where much mineral sands have been mined since I was a kid. We then cut across the island to fly over several of the Moreton Bay islands before returning home via the South of Brisbane and Amberley restricted airspace. All in all, quite a picturesque trip. This morning we did another short out and return North to Watts Bridge Memorial Airfield formatting with a De Havilland Chipmunk on the way back. While he was guzzling around 35 LPH of AVGAS, we were sipping 11.5 LPH of unleaded Mogas. IOW, it was costing him about 4.5 times as much as us for fuel. Sorry Jim, these flights have been conducted over the last week so dont strictly fall within your quoted timeframe. Happy flying to all Kingsley in Oz Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Feb 2022, at 11:43 am, h&jeuropa wrote: > > > Starting thread for this week. > > Jim > > Do Not Archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505869#505869 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.