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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Lining the interior help please (Area-51)
2. 08:15 AM - Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (n7188u)
3. 08:33 AM - Seat cushion question (n7188u)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Lining the interior help please (Bud Yerly)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (Bud Yerly)
6. 11:38 AM - Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (rparigoris)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (n7188u)
8. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (Bud Yerly)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS (rparigoris)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Lining the interior help please (daaza22)
11. 02:21 PM - Re: Control Column Boot (n7188u)
12. 02:48 PM - Re: Control Column Boot (rparigoris)
13. 02:56 PM - Re: Seat cushion question (rparigoris)
14. 04:12 PM - Re: Lining the interior help please (Area-51)
15. 05:02 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 (h&jeuropa)
16. 05:57 PM - Re: Control Column Boot (rparigoris)
17. 06:14 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 (Bud Yerly)
18. 06:25 PM - Re: Control Column Boot (n7188u)
19. 06:42 PM - Re: Seat cushion question (n7188u)
20. 07:29 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 (Pete)
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
Im approaching this task using fire retardant materials. There are a number of
synthetic fireproof upholstery and carpet materials on the market. Natural fibres
such as pure wool for carpet and seats is great in this criteria however there
will be a weight penalty. As a fire retardant material pure wool is excellent...
some modern automotive synthetics become highly carcinogenic while burning
and afterward also. The white sticky goop you might see inside that burnt
out car is 100% death lotion...At the same time i really love the smell of Connolly
leather and dont mind the weight penalty if it makes me happy
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| Subject: | Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Dear Forum Members,
Quick question for those familiar with operating the Europa with the 912ULS engine:
What would you consider would be the highest altitude for normal cruising with
this engine. Read "normal" were the engine is not running overly rich and causing
other issues such as fouled plugs?
Yesterday I did a fairly long cross-country around Florida (about 3.5 hours total)
and on the return flight I was getting beat up by turbulence at 5,500 feet
(can the Europa be rough on turbulence or what??).
I understand the 912 is still happy at 5,500 but what about higher altitudes. I
put up with the turbulence. Rather silly since I could have just tried to go
up to 7,500 feet) but not knowing if the engine starts running too rich to be
happy I just put up with it.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Seat cushion question |
Here goes another of my silly questions:
I spend quite a bit of time designing my seat cushions (as always, I overthink
some things and spent quite a bit of time trying to create the perfect seat).
Despite the effort the result is not quite optimal. After half and hour in my new
seats, my tailbone starts to kill me.
I attach an image of my seat cushions. The only difference between this image and
the final product is that I didn't use the top layer of pink (soft) memory
foam. I only have 1 inch of hard (green) and 1 inch of medium (blue) foam. The
yellow stuff is regular PU foam).
The angles are all based on white papers (the best one being: http://mreed.umtri.umich.edu/mreed/pubs/Reed%20Seating%20Literature%20Review%202000.pdf) that go deep into the design of ideal vehicle seats.
My suspicion is that I need more thigh support (because the high feet position
and short distance to the pedals forces the thigs up and away from the seat) although
the theory is that thigh pressure should be minimal as it causes discomfort
and it is best to concentrate most of the weight on the tip bones at the
buttocks (ischial tuberosities for those inclined to use fancy names :) ).
I will experiment with a little more thigh support but wondered what experiences
people out there had with the Europa cushion design.
One of my biggest questions has to do with the seatback design. As you an see form
the picture, mine tries to provide reasonable back angle, but that also reduces
the distance to the pedals, causing the thighs to move up.
The good news is that I haven't covered the seats yet. Just modified some cushion
covers to protect the foam for now.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
I'm thankful for others that put comfort, looks and quality of life in the interior
selection decision.
Unless your government agencies require fireproof, or certified materials, I look
for what is comfortable. N12AY has a thin leather for the cushions and the
foam suggested and tested by Rob D'Nic / Duncan interiors in Lakeland has given
me 15 years of comfort and durability. We chose an automotive carpet, bound
the edges, sewed in Velcro for attachment to the floor structure. I riveted
in the Velcro in the baggage bay floor and epoxied it in everywhere else as the
stick-on Velcro just won't hold up.
I figure, with 100 pounds of high octane on my back, I really am not worried about
the glues, carpets and interior/seat fire fumes long term effects, as if I
hit the ground, I'm getting out long before I have to worry about fumes or I
won't get out at all. I hit head on to a deep ditch flying with a customer and
the cockpit module held up well at 30+ knot impact. I was out of the plane
in about 5 seconds. (Two second delay due to my fat belly at the time, so loosing
20 pounds will help that emergency egress time.) The aircraft is fiberglass,
polyurethane foam and plastic, which according to the State of California
is a carcinogen. Do we scrap our aircraft?
An airplane is 20,000 compromises flying in close formation, choose wisely.
Just my thoughts. Follow your experimental/amateur built aircraft government regs
if there are any.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Im approaching this task using fire retardant materials. There are a number of
synthetic fireproof upholstery and carpet materials on the market. Natural fibres
such as pure wool for carpet and seats is great in this criteria however there
will be a weight penalty. As a fire retardant material pure wool is excellent...
some modern automotive synthetics become highly carcinogenic while burning
and afterward also. The white sticky goop you might see inside that burnt
out car is 100% death lotion...At the same time i really love the smell of Connolly
leather and dont mind the weight penalty if it makes me happy
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| Subject: | Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Chris,
The Bing carbs in my tests are pretty good up to about 3500 feet. Above that they
start running rich.
A normally aspirated engine should provide at full throttle 75% power. However,
the Bing carb runs even richer that high, so the power is lost (overly rich)
and with the higher fuel flows flying higher does not give greater efficiency.
I normally have clients with a constant speed prop so full throttle (actually
just a bit less seems to improve MP and leaning) at 5000 RPM can use a bit
more leaning so leaning add on devices are available. If cruising at 7500, try
running it up to 5500 for a bit to clear the plugs before decent. Once you
pull back for decent, the engine will load up again, so I go back to 5500 to
clear the plugs.
Creighton Smith (96EG) on his 80 horse and some of my Mid West Clients have added
a leaning device called the HacMan by Green Sky Adventures (GSA TECH LLC 326
Melrose Landing BLVD, Hawthorne, FL 32640). It works, as it robs the carb of
float bowl pressure and leans the engine using manifold pressure (MP). My Kitfox
and Jabiru guys use it for flying in the mountains to get peak power for
takeoff and cruise. Of course, you must have an EGT gauge and since you are
worried about plugs and running without fouling a fuel flow meter would be nice.
Most of the time, plumbing is done from the cross over tube to the HacMan
as a vacuum source. If you have a MP gauge, I really didn't see much of a difference
in the MP readings, so we just tee it there.
Creighton Smith made comments on it in an older thread. It works but the hoses
supplied are crap and the leaning knob is very sensitive and must be turned in
1/4 increments, then await the results, as it takes time for the pressures to
normalize, then adjust again. There are videos online by guys using this.
Also PUT THE HACMAN BACK TO FULL RICH IF YOU CHANGE THROTTLE SETTINGS as MP changes
and the carb may lean out far too lean and kill the engine. Normally, the
Hacman is only used after level off but out west some need it for takeoff power.
Some of the videos are done at low altitude, it is better to do this once
higher and at cruise. With a fixed pitch your RPM should rise, the EGT rise,
and the Cyl Temp may rise in the Rotax. Readjust the throttle for cruise RPM
then adjust mixture again. This has been used successfully by many but do
install proper instrumentation. Also, this is not an authorized accessory by
Rotax.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 11:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS
Dear Forum Members,
Quick question for those familiar with operating the Europa with the 912ULS engine:
What would you consider would be the highest altitude for normal cruising with
this engine. Read "normal" were the engine is not running overly rich and causing
other issues such as fouled plugs?
Yesterday I did a fairly long cross-country around Florida (about 3.5 hours total)
and on the return flight I was getting beat up by turbulence at 5,500 feet
(can the Europa be rough on turbulence or what??).
I understand the 912 is still happy at 5,500 but what about higher altitudes. I
put up with the turbulence. Rather silly since I could have just tried to go
up to 7,500 feet) but not knowing if the engine starts running too rich to be
happy I just put up with it.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Hi Group
Curious, has anyone tried pulling full (and 1/2) choke at cruise? I believe that
it will in fact lean the mixture, just not sure if by a noticeable amount.
On Bing Type 64 Constant Depression carb the choke is actually an enrichment circuit.
At higher vacuum I believe no extra fuel enters manifold, just an air leak.
Thx. Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Thanks for the replies guys,
Normally I do fly lower. 3500 or 4500. The turbulence was annoying so went higher.
I will check a plug to see how it looks. The engine ran good. Can't remember
the EGT at that altitude.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
I don't recommend it. Especially on the 914.
Lockwood used to put it in their class as normally the engine missed terrib
ly as the enrichening circuit leans excessively above 4000.
Bud
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Hi Group
Curious, has anyone tried pulling full (and 1/2) choke at cruise? I believe
that it will in fact lean the mixture, just not sure if by a noticeable am
ount.
On Bing Type 64 Constant Depression carb the choke is actually an enrichmen
t circuit. At higher vacuum I believe no extra fuel enters manifold, just a
n air leak.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Hi Chris
Here's a good read and video from Kevin on reading spark plugs:
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/blogs/ask-kevin/nostalgia-tempered-by-inconvenient-truths/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-UbT-1JcL6S-1c-14sh8-1c-1JcA0j-l631GdrB0h-1rSQ73
To really check what's going on you need a new set of plugs, run at power setting
you want to check and shut down quickly.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
thanks for that , I would like to go for leather but i am wanting to do the
interior myself and not sure i would be able to do leather justice .
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Ron,
I noticed that on the printout of the boot shoes you posted (the picture with the
4" and 6" dimensions) there seems to be a left and a right. They are slightly
skewed to opposite sides.
Is that correct or are they supposed to be identical for port and starboard?
Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Hi Chris
To be honest I can't remember if I followed drawing. I remember with wings off
I didn't want anything on stick hitting boot holder. I kinda remember bending
up a piece of aluminium to fit boot perfectly and also miss getting hit by stick
with wings off.
I'm on way to hangar and will take a look for you.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
Hi Chris
I haven't flown with seat cushions yet. As purchased from Europa they would not
have worked very well. Mind you we have long wings too, so back has cut outs
for teleflex spoiler cables.
Anyway we modified cushions a little, added foam and balsa backs and blue foam
base. We have 2 different thickness of bases, my partner is smaller than I.:
http://www.europaowners.org/gallery2/v/Begin-06-2003/album228/
We spent a lot of time making them feel right and giving us a good view over nose,
but not so high head will hit with headsets on. Amazing how a small amount
of change makes such a big difference.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
Any decent quality leather stitching work will require a walking foot industrial
machine; the cams in a home unit will destroy themselves fairly quickly and
there is just not enough grunt to push through four layers on a piping seam; pay
the money, buy the right machine and practice or pay for someone elses knowledge
and experience; cut your stencils in cardboard for the interior panels and
take them to a trimmer if the trimmer cannot come to you, or take entire fuselage
to the trim shop; do the job once, do it right and be happy... two hides
will be enough to trim the interior and its important to think about access
for service and derigging purposes when planning. The risk of fire on a europa
is low due to fuel tank and firewall design/materials and if the fuel tank did
catch fire on impact the occupants would probably already be dead from the force
of impact required to push a hot engine pipe back into and puncture the fuel
tank...
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
Starting thread for this week. Lots of cold and snow in Michigan so I'm doing
ground school, learning about my GNC 355 GPS Com and other courses from Pilot
Workshops.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Hi Chris I just checked and my boot shoes are symmetrical, starboard and port are
identical. 6" length and 4" width. With my stick full up, the width of the
boot where the lower connecting bolt is situated is 2.5" wide.
good Luck
Ron P.
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
N12AY has sat since late June due to a wing delamination, travel, rebuilding a
mono, test flying other planes, making up a speed kit and fun stuff like Omicron
and Pneumonia.
1. I finished repairing the delamination, and primed and painted last week and
cut and buffed out the paint today. I'll polish out the other wing and fuselage
this week. Then on to the engine cleanup and prep and engine runs and find
any issues. I haven't flown since early December, so I'll get a couple flights
in at the FBO to be current. (My rule is: if you haven't flown in 30 days,
go fly with someone and get your air sense back up to speed. Then go fly by
yourself and start nibbling at the edges of the envelope.) I'm interested in
takeoff with full nose down trim. Since I've flown the plane with full up and
down trim, I'm curious why that is a factor. We'll find out. If my cameras
work I may video it.
2. My 914 has been leaking oil from the front turbo fittings area and the filter
(a first), and the air filter is completely filled with oil. Ah the joy of
the 914.
3. My EAA Chapter volunteers assisted me in doing a complete nose to tail on N952JL
(Joe Like's Mono) The Jabiru is a Gen 1 with Sensenich Prop with only about
60 hours. Trailer and dolly included.
Basic VFR, nice paint and upholstery. Joe donated the plane in October and the Chapter team members have met with me three times a week as we tore it apart and inspected and repaired everything until finished. See my website www.customflightcreations.com. It will go on the cheap sheets (Barnstormers, Trade a Plane and eBay) this week. Asking $30,000 but will take offers as it is ADS-B compliant, and the annual was signed off in November. Runs good with my Cooling 102 mods, re-rigged flaps, ailerons and stabs, gear completely rebuilt (new bushings, bearings and such, and down lock latch mod accomplished). From nose to tail, new hoses, bungee and I can't fly it due to EAA insurance regs, so it can be towed away, or somebody can fly without insurance if he writes a check. Most interested buyers can't get insurance (as the price of flying uninsured is too scary) until they get signed off by an IP, and requirements for the newbie pilot is anywhere around 40-50 hours in the plane. Heck of a thing.
4. While sick I've been fiberglassing up a speed kit and writing some papers from
old outlines I had. I'll do a data dump after a couple more reviews. Getting
caught up now that I am reasonably healthy, but Sun 'n Fun is coming faster
than I like.
Regards to all.
Bud Yerly
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Starting thread for this week. Lots of cold and snow in Michigan so I'm doing
ground school, learning about my GNC 355 GPS Com and other courses from Pilot
Workshops.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Thanks Ron. Yes, the outlines are kind of like a left and right shoe :)
Strange but for simplicity sake I'll make them equal.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
Good info Ron.
Well, I have to say not happy with my cushions (lots of work dumped on them but
at least I didn't spend the money to cover them yet, something I would recommend
new builders, experiment before committing). I wish there was some info on
a basic design to get started with but I guess we "don't do things because they
are easy ...." :)
But I have a feeling that increased thigh support will help.
My seat back looks like yours, just not how it was built. But angle yes. Just
a theory but maybe the excess angle on seat back pushes you forward, raises your
legs and puts too much pressure on tailbone. I'm going to try removing the
back cushion and placing a flatter piece of temporary foam. Sounds counter intuitive
but will test my theory. If that doesn't work I will add some additional
thigh support.
My conclusion is that the Europa seat is a bit narrow (that coming from a LongEZ
owner, but that airplane is the ultimate in comfort, my opinion) and your arm
touching the door sill makes you lean sideways which contributes to some discomfort.
Will report.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
Re: #3 & insurance up here in canuckstan i simply insured for liabilty, and my
COPA (our aopa) sponsored insurance covered me with 0 time on type (mono) for
$330/yr.
:-)
PeteZ
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
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> N12AY has sat since late June due to a wing delamination, travel, rebuilding
a mono, test flying other planes, making up a speed kit and fun stuff like Omicron
and Pneumonia.
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> 1. I finished repairing the delamination, and primed and painted last week and
cut and buffed out the paint today. I'll polish out the other wing and fuselage
this week. Then on to the engine cleanup and prep and engine runs and find
any issues. I haven't flown since early December, so I'll get a couple flights
in at the FBO to be current. (My rule is: if you haven't flown in 30 days,
go fly with someone and get your air sense back up to speed. Then go fly
by yourself and start nibbling at the edges of the envelope.) I'm interested
in takeoff with full nose down trim. Since I've flown the plane with full up
and down trim, I'm curious why that is a factor. We'll find out. If my cameras
work I may video it.
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> 2. My 914 has been leaking oil from the front turbo fittings area and the filter
(a first), and the air filter is completely filled with oil. Ah the joy
of the 914.
>
> 3. My EAA Chapter volunteers assisted me in doing a complete nose to tail on
N952JL (Joe Like's Mono) The Jabiru is a Gen 1 with Sensenich Prop with only
about 60 hours. Trailer and dolly included.
> Basic VFR, nice paint and upholstery. Joe donated the plane in October and the Chapter team members have met with me three times a week as we tore it apart and inspected and repaired everything until finished. See my website www.customflightcreations.com. It will go on the cheap sheets (Barnstormers, Trade a Plane and eBay) this week. Asking $30,000 but will take offers as it is ADS-B compliant, and the annual was signed off in November. Runs good with my Cooling 102 mods, re-rigged flaps, ailerons and stabs, gear completely rebuilt (new bushings, bearings and such, and down lock latch mod accomplished). From nose to tail, new hoses, bungee and I can't fly it due to EAA insurance regs, so it can be towed away, or somebody can fly without insurance if he writes a check. Most interested buyers can't get insurance (as the price of flying uninsured is too scary) until they get signed off by an IP, and requirements for the newbie pilot is anywhere around 40-50 hours in the!
> plane. Heck of a thing.
>
> 4. While sick I've been fiberglassing up a speed kit and writing some papers
from old outlines I had. I'll do a data dump after a couple more reviews. Getting
caught up now that I am reasonably healthy, but Sun 'n Fun is coming faster
than I like.
>
> Regards to all.
>
> Bud Yerly
>
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> Starting thread for this week. Lots of cold and snow in Michigan so I'm doing
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