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1. 05:08 AM - Wingtip Lights (Area-51)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Wingtip Lights (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: Wingtip Lights (Bud Yerly)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Seat cushion question (h&jeuropa)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Seat cushion question (Fred Klein)
6. 12:49 PM - Re: Wingtip Lights (Area-51)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: Seat cushion question (Erich Trombley)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Wingtip Lights (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
9. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Wingtip Lights (Bud Yerly)
10. 06:39 PM - Re: Wingtip Lights (Area-51)
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Has anyone experience or knowledge on how to retrofit wingtip nav lights after
the wing has been constructed? Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
No direct help, but if it is an XS wing, do make sure that the
installation is airtight. The XS floats because of the air trapped in
its wing If you don't seal efficiently around those lights it will
become like a PA28 which sinks in 3 minutes! Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2022-02-17 13:08, Area-51 wrote:
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> Has anyone experience or knowledge on how to retrofit wingtip nav
> lights after the wing has been constructed? Thanks
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When a client has a Whelen or Aeroflash 3 light position and strobe light I
prefer to look at how the original builder installed the support.
If the tip light support is made flat with 3 nutplates I prefer to build a
form fit adapter to allow one of the new units to mount to that cleanly. M
y go to light has been the Aveo tip light. But I have no problem with Whel
en's LED unit, neither have I not been happy with changing out the incandes
cent position lights with LED replacement bulbs in the old Whelens. I=92ve
used PSA as a bulb source (located near me) for replacement bulbs. Saves
nearly 9 amps just for the position lights. The strobes still pull about t
wo amps. For the motor glider, I pulled nearly 20 pounds of lighting gear
out of the fuselage and wings by completely rewiring the wings and getting
rid of the Whelen box and replacing the heavy wiring with 20 gauge wire and
converting to new lighter tip lights.
Sealing the tip lights is very important, not that I worry about floating t
ime, but in a wet environment the tip lights will cloud over and even show
water spots in the light. Aveo was very responsive to this as I put one of
the original lights on a mono and a motorglider. Both airplanes stored ou
tside. The lens yellowed terrible on the mono and required buffing and aft
er a few years. Of course, they shined up, but buffing is not normal. The
motorglider was stored outside and mildew and lack of use took their toll
and they showed terrible water intrusion. Both were offered replacement by
Aveo, and I replaced the ones on the motorglider. The Whelens have held u
p well over the years and so has my Skybright. The old Whelens are a bit l
eaky so corrosion and water intrusion can be a problem but is easily cleane
d up.
Below is the original Aveo after two years of owner neglect. Plane was cov
ered in mildew and the tip light had extensive water intrusion.
Wing tip light was replaced by Aveo. After one year it is in need of milde
w control but the lights haven=92t yellowed or shown water intrusion.
Note the difference in size between the tip light sizes. This client wante
d cheap and fast. Well, he got it, and now has a cleaning issue with caulk
vs proper glass, paint and mildew resistant sealant just around the base.
Denatured alcohol cleans the mildew but water intrusion was fixed by Aveo.
[Original Aveo with water intrusion and mildew. Aveo attached to fiberglas
s piece to fit old Whelen mount and simply caulked. After two years outsid
e. This is what it looked like. More cleanup was required. Description a
utomatically generated]
Skybright was a good cost-effective light $330), but I no longer see them.
So, another conversion will need to be made for N12AY one of these days.
Probably to Whelen or Aveo. I have the heavy 18 gauge 3 wire still in my p
lane so I may change out the heavy cable (.4 pounds per foot) and lighten u
p the wiring with the new lights. The Aeroflash tip light is closer to my
Skybright but I don=92t like the shape. Matter of taste I guess.
Whelen, Aveo and Aero LED have a few options for LED tip lights and again,
some sort or change to the mounting has to be made. That makes the outer t
ip light stick out a bit further or one has to grind out and repaint. I do
the transitions using a thin glass support for the new light that covers t
he old holes and screw it down and simply add nutplates to the new cover pl
ate. I prefer to transition the new plate with a bit of glass and foam so
it smoothly grafts the old Whelen mounting plate to the new light as I can
do it quickly. I make a glass or ply mount then use clay to reshape to ble
nd the shapes into the previous nicely fitted and filled tip, Then it is j
ust do the tedious glass, fill, and paint work. Any way you do it, the wor
k will take up a week. I just saw Aeroflash on Aircraft Spruce has a trans
ition or adapter plate but at $120 I can make a nice fiberglass mount for f
ar less and get the look I want.
Just my thoughts,
Bud Yerly
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
Here are some photos of our Oregon Aero seats.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
JimDo you have any idea what current cost would be?
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
Thanks David... its a classic; so foam core wing construction.. as far as i can
tell from construction information the chord ribs are solid; i cant think off
anything other than making up a 1/4 or 3/8 bore mounted on a long tube; unless
someone knows of an allocated area in the factory material for this purpose.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
Chris,
I measured the distance from the vertical surface to the front of the seat cushion
and its approximately 8 which jives with the 3 cavity I have behind the 5
thick cushion.
A 3 spacer prevents the cushion from sliding aft.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
I seem to remember an article about this in the Europa Flyer - you might
try the new search facility on the club website. Personally I would be
tempted to run your wires along the wing close outs. You could no doubt
find a suitable three core flat wire and bond it in place and then drill
a hole between your wing tip opening and the outer aileron close out.
Best of luck, David
On 2022-02-17 20:49, Area-51 wrote:
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> Thanks David... its a classic; so foam core wing construction.. as far
> as i can tell from construction information the chord ribs are solid; i
> canEUR(tm)t think off anything other than making up a 1/4EUR or
> 3/8EUR bore mounted on a long tube; unless someone knows of an
> allocated area in the factory material for this purpose.
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506073#506073
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
I've done just that with Creighton Smith on his 96EG (Classic) rebuild. The plane
was to be repainted but obviously we didn't want to screw up the finish and
make more work.
I used a 1/2 inch chrome moly tube with a sawtooth cut (like a hole saw) in one
end then sharpened it to make my drill.
I drilled forward of the spar in line with where the lightening hole would be just
forward of the spar (leading edge side). In the Classic manual you can see
where the lightening hole is in the foam. Often you can clearly see the spar
location and if you look closely, the hotwire line in the wing is also visible
(which is the center of the lightening hole). The port wing was perfect but
we got off a bit in the starboard wing as we hit the bottom of the skin just
as we got to the end of the spar. We were lucky.
Drilling:
I was responsible for the spanwise alignment of the drill (I snapped a line on
the wing) and Creighton was responsible for the elevation of the drill. We drilled
through the solid foam of the walkway root area nervously. Then when we
hit the lightening hole, I pulled the saw (tube) and used my borescope (Amazon
15 footer that displays Bluetooth to my cell phone) and a bit of feel to align
with the bulkhead in the outrigger area and drilled center in that. The tip
area was easy as the original builder left off any reinforcements so all I
had to do was angle the hole back slightly to get a hook on the wire.
I'm hazy on how we ran the wire through the hole, I think I used my fish tape and
attached the wire or a string with a loop and inserted it through the drill
tube and pushed the fish tape through to the tip.
Once we hooked the string or wire through the tip hole, we pulled it through the
tip, we made a tip support out of ply and mounted the Aveo light.
On 12AY (Classic Kit A054) I planned a 3/4 inch black butyl tube through my wing.
It was a lot easier.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wingtip Lights
Thanks David... its a classic; so foam core wing construction.. as far as i can
tell from construction information the chord ribs are solid; i cant think off
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someone knows of an allocated area in the factory material for this purpose.
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
Thanks David, yes i think that would be the best hassle free solution
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