---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/22/22: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:36 AM - Re: Passive mid door pin and striker (JonathanMilbank) 2. 09:47 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 (William Daniell) 3. 10:11 AM - What did you do with you EUROPA (Alan Twigg) 4. 10:29 AM - Re: What did you do with you EUROPA (Pete Zut) 5. 01:38 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 (n7188u) 6. 01:49 PM - Re: Control Column Boot (n7188u) 7. 03:15 PM - Re: What did you do with you EUROPA (rparigoris) 8. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA (Pete Zut) 9. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA (Bud Yerly) 10. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 (William Daniell) 11. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA (Pete Zut) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Passive mid door pin and striker From: "JonathanMilbank" I did something similar to this maybe 15 years ago and indeed it makes it a lot harder not to close the door properly, but not impossible. So I've installed the latest LAA mod, which isn't pretty but is foolproof as far as I can tell. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506361#506361 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:10 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 Flew up to Sebastian Communications in Merritt Island to get my 24 month xpndr check. 15 mins and USD100 later all done. Nice people. 196 nm /2:20 and 10 mins longer on the way back for headwinds. Flying at 5000 at 29in. what a privilege. William Daniell LONGPORT +1 786 878 0246 On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:00 PM h&jeuropa wrote: > > Starting thread for this week. > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506359#506359 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:51 AM PST US From: Alan Twigg Subject: Europa-List: What did you do with you EUROPA Finally got most of my sensors to talk to the new Kanardia Daqu/Digi. Great improvement from my old generation Flydat and it is in my eye-line. 30 minutes flying plus soaring up 500 ft, Winter vario also works. Roll on Summer soaring. Alan Twigg Motorglider Wings G-GIWT Kit 463. Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:30 AM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: What did you do with you EUROPA awesome! Please keep the soaring pireps coming! Inspiration for us long wing builders. Still chasing down my intermittent resonance. Question for folks: what typical pull values are folks seeing for their gearbox dog friction measurement? I'm near the low limit of 22ft-lbs. Cheers, Pete On Tue., Mar. 22, 2022, 1:19 p.m. Alan Twigg, wrote: > > Finally got most of my sensors to talk to the new Kanardia Daqu/Digi. > Great improvement from my old generation Flydat and it is in my eye-line. > 30 minutes flying plus soaring up 500 ft, Winter vario also works. > Roll on Summer soaring. > Alan Twigg > Motorglider Wings G-GIWT > Kit 463. > > Sent from my iPad > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 From: "n7188u" Hey Will, We crossed paths! Last Friday I flew to North Perry (KHWO) in Hollywood to visit family so I was close to your base. Flew down with my son and returned with my daughter on Sunday so they both got to travel a little with the Europa. My daughter loved it! My wife drove down and then up with one of the kids (now they are sorry that we don't have the four seater anymore which rarely got to be used with the whole family onboard :) ) You took the opposite route to get to Merritt Island. It's very close to my airport (only a few miles south and flew over Merritt on my way home). Next time send me a note and maybe we can meet. Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506367#506367 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Control Column Boot From: "n7188u" I Think this will be my last update on this. Finished the pilot side and it sure looks good (if you don't get too close to it :) ) I got the boot finished for the copilot side but need to make the fence, attach velcro and bond in place. If anyone is interested in patterns I can scan and provide then but only if I get permission from Tim W. since it's his boot design. It sure helped not have to design yet another thing in the Europa (kind of fun bit gets old toward the end :? ) Best, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506368#506368 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA From: "rparigoris" Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I pulled the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C SD20S alternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I measured January 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs. Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was just about 22% allowable. Ron P. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506370#506370 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:09 PM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft dog-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual attached. I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly serviced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging. I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the bottom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours). Cheers and thanks! PeteZ C-GNPZ 912ULS [image: dogtorque.jpg] On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris wrote: > > Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I > pulled the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil > pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C > SD20S alternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I > measured January 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs. > Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was > just about 22% allowable. Ron P. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506370#506370 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:49 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA PeteZ, If the minimum wasn=92t good enough, there wouldn=92t be a minimum I guess. My last rebuild from a prop strike was just out of overhaul and was about 2 5 pounds (ish) after install and lube. Bud Yerly From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of Pete Zut Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft do g-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual attach ed. I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly serv iced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging. I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the bot tom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours). Cheers and thanks! PeteZ C-GNPZ 912ULS [cid:image001.jpg@01D83E28.46BEE840] On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris > wrote: o:rparigor@hotmail.com>> Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I pulle d the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C SD20S al ternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I measured Ja nuary 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs. Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was ju st about 22% allowable. Ron P. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506370#506370 pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Europa-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:55 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 Ok will do William Daniell +1 786 878 0246 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:58 n7188u wrote: > > Hey Will, > > We crossed paths! Last Friday I flew to North Perry (KHWO) in Hollywood to > visit family so I was close to your base. Flew down with my son and > returned with my daughter on Sunday so they both got to travel a little > with the Europa. My daughter loved it! > > My wife drove down and then up with one of the kids (now they are sorry > that we don't have the four seater anymore which rarely got to be used with > the whole family onboard :) ) > > You took the opposite route to get to Merritt Island. It's very close to > my airport (only a few miles south and flew over Merritt on my way home). > Next time send me a note and maybe we can meet. > > Regards, > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506367#506367 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:00 PM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA Thx Bud - encouraging. But still begs the question of only 3lbs headroom before the bellevilles and dog wear. Odd Cheers, PeteZ On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 8:15 PM Bud Yerly wrote: > PeteZ, > > If the minimum wasn=99t good enough, there wouldn=99t be a mi nimum I guess. > > My last rebuild from a prop strike was just out of overhaul and was about > 25 pounds (ish) after install and lube. > > > Bud Yerly > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Pete Zut > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2022 6:44 PM > *To:* europa-list > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA > > > My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft > dog-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual > attached. > > > I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly > serviced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging. > > > I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the > bottom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours). > > > Cheers and thanks! > > PeteZ > > C-GNPZ > > 912ULS > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris wrote: > > > Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I > pulled the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil > pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B &C > SD20S alternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I > measured January 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs. > Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was > just about 22% allowable. 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