---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/31/22: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - Re: Flying with full down trim (Area-51) 2. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: Flying with full down trim (Pete) 3. 10:19 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun (rampil) 4. 10:59 AM - Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank (n7188u) 5. 02:12 PM - Re: Flying with full down trim (Area-51) 6. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Flying with full down trim (Pete Zut) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flying with full down trim From: "Area-51" So just to clarify this Pete; was it the trim indicator on the instrument panel that you set at the full down position? My aircraft flies fine with full down trim selected though its not very comfortable on departure or approach and requires a higher pilot work load. With 2 bars down trim selected my observations show the aircraft wanting to pitch up on departure as speed increases; again uncomfortable flying if trim is not adjusted down further. Interesting point made regarding departure attitude and possible fuel starvation. Many factors, haven't read the incident report; was aux fuel pump on? Why did the pilot elect to take off with such a low fuel reserve? Was reserve position selected at the fuel valve? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506452#506452 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:19 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flying with full down trim Correct, and my trim motor was also at its down limit..and consistent with my findings. Cheers, PeteZ > On Mar 31, 2022, at 5:43 AM, Area-51 wrote: > > > So just to clarify this Pete; was it the trim indicator on the instrument panel that you set at the full down position? My aircraft flies fine with full down trim selected though its not very comfortable on departure or approach and requires a higher pilot work load. With 2 bars down trim selected my observations show the aircraft wanting to pitch up on departure as speed increases; again uncomfortable flying if trim is not adjusted down further. > > Interesting point made regarding departure attitude and possible fuel starvation. Many factors, haven't read the incident report; was aux fuel pump on? Why did the pilot elect to take off with such a low fuel reserve? Was reserve position selected at the fuel valve? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506452#506452 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun 'n Fun From: "rampil" Hi All, Linda and will be at SnF Monday and Tuesday only. As the FAA building will be closed this year, if Europa folks have AME-related questions, I will be available to consult. Looking forward to seeing everyone! Ira Emeritus Europaist -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506459#506459 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank From: "n7188u" Thanks for the references Bud. Thanks to all this feedback I think that my initial selection of hose was appropriate. The swelling I am referring to is at the line between the plastic boss and the aluminum fitting. The fitting is properly in the boss. Why did it happen who knows. I will try to make a picture of it. Will, not sure about you rquestion but here is a picture of the newly installed vent. As you can see, the CM fiberglass goes around the boss. It used to be a little tighter and the coupling hose would butt against it preventing from being inserted further in. I ground off some of the glass to increase the clearance which you can see the picture shows the hose further into the boss almost to the tank. I think I will be fine. Will keep an eye on these components and if I have issues again will find some other brand of hose. Best Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506460#506460 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/boss_pic_737.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:24 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flying with full down trim From: "Area-51" Thanks... how did you find the aircraft handled in circuit on downwind and final with the trim set as you had? Did you find it a situation that was challenging or easily physically mitigated? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506461#506461 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:40 PM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flying with full down trim everybody and aircraft are different, but simple bit of pressure and nothing special. Of course daydreaming isn't allowed (and never should be ;-) ) The flare is obviously odd....if one is used to being trimmed out on final. Cheers, PeteZ On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 4:19 PM Area-51 wrote: > goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> > > Thanks... how did you find the aircraft handled in circuit on downwind and > final with the trim set as you had? Did you find it a situation that was > challenging or easily physically mitigated? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506461#506461 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.