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4. 03:38 PM - Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
5. 04:03 PM - Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage (fklein@orcasonline.com)
6. 04:08 PM - Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage (Pete Zut)
7. 04:25 PM - Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage (fklein@orcasonline.com)
8. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Wing painting Jig (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 5/16 - 5/23 |
Starting thread for this week.
Condition Inspection continues but hopefully will be completed this week!
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Wing painting Jig |
I think that Freddys jig as given my an idea that I can safely put together .
If it works out I will post some photos .
Cheers All and keep those ideas coming
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| Subject: | Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage |
GentsBack on April 13th I had some unanticipated excitement.
In the spirit of sharing experiences so others may benefit, here is the
narrative description of this event which I=99ve provided to the
NTSB:
This Experimental, Amateur-built Aircraft was being flown within the
Phase 1 Limitations listed under its Special Airworthiness Certificate
dated September 10, 2019. !
After take off with full fuel at approximently 10:30 am with the
intention of remaining in the pattern and flight testing some
modifications to the engine cooling system, I=99d been doing
circuits around KORS at 2500 ft...all was well, engine humming along,
temps were nominal... cruising along at 130-140 kts...decided to
land...descended to pattern altitude...entered downwind at 85-90 kts
stabilized at 1000 ft...80 kts abeam the numbers...lowered flaps &
LG...(LG & flaps are interconnected w/ single flap setting of 20
deg.)...engine stopped...slowed to 75 kts, switched fuel pumps,
attempted restart, engine cranked fine but did not fire up...turned
base, attempted restart again, engine cranks fine but no start...at that
point I was in a state of disbelief that my engine would not restart,
although I realized that I may not reach the runway... turned 45 deg
towards runway threshold...terrain is flat with a wooded strip
approximately 100 feet wide separating rows of one and two story
residential structures...another restart attempt, nada...way below the
proper glide path and I became quite aware that I was heading for some
trees...was feeling surreal, calm...no images of my life passing thru my
brain...definitely flew the plane, stall warner did not go off...the
engine was not windmilling prior to impact, and upon impact my shoulder
strap risers performed well...no injuries...no smell of fuel...First
thing I did was turn off Master Switch, and out of habit, turn off all
other rocker switches; when doing so, I did not notice if any of the
rockers, normally =9Con=9D in flight or whenever the engine
is running, had been in the =9Coff=9D position...If I=99
d had any available bandwidth in my brain, I would have sat tight and
dialed 911 on my cell phone, but my instincts had me opening the door to
exit the aircraft had a sense of being within a bunch of tree
branches...I now think I was experiencing some tunnel vision...in any
case, I didn=99t realize I was up so high...I recall having no
trouble getting my butt up on the headrest and swinging my legs over the
gullwing door sill and onto the wing...then all of a sudden I was on my
back on the ground in considerable pain after having fallen 12 to 15
feet onto soft, soggy soil, flat terrain. The property owner witnessed
the low flying airplane and heard the impact into the trees; he called
911 at 11:36 am. Aircraft remained intact, stuck and supported between
trees in a nose-high attitude. Estimated airspeed at impact between 50
and 60 kts. Post-crash, falling to the ground resulted in compression
fracture of lower spine; no complications; need to take it easy, need
for patience to let body heal
Probable cause of engine stoppage: The engine stoppage occurred as I was
lowering the Landing Gear and Flaps. In the process of lowering the LG,
I experienced some difficulty getting the lever control into the down
and locked position. Normally lowering the gear is done with the right
hand. I used my left hand to assist getting the lever in the locked
position...One possibility is my left hand may have brushed one, two, or
three of the rocker switches which control the ignition coils, fuel
injectors, and ECU of the MPEFIed, 140 hp engine derived from a Subaru
EA81. A second possibility is that when I returned my left hand to the
control stick,, I abruptly shoved the stick forward to correct for the
nose-high attitude caused by the deployment of full flaps and my left
hand brushed up against them. If either of these events occurred, I was
completely unaware. This is speculation on my part and may be confirmed
(or not) once the aircraft has a new propeller installed and the engine
is run up. My hunch is it will fire right up, smoothe as silk, and stop
when the rocker switch energizing the ignition coils or fuel injectors
is turned off.
We=99ll see.
Description of Damage to Aircraft and Other Property
Airframe is of premolded fiberglass / composite construction; control
surfaces are fiberglass over foam cores.
Forward portion of starboard wing tip and nav/strobe/landing light
broken, 2=9D dia. puncture starboard wing leading edge, 12=9D
long crease in port wing leading edge, port wing AOA pin dislodged,
propeller blades broken (engine not running on impact), spinner dented,
lower cowling ruptured, main LG fairing ruptured, 2=9D puncture in
rudder, 20=9D gash in underside of fuselage, tail wheel
swivel-stop bent, 2 fuselage punctures, appproximately 4=9D x 4
=9D forward of port wing root; aircraft came to rest within trees about
10 feet above the ground, in the process of lowering the aircraft to the
ground the starboard gull-wing door/window was broken; no indication of
major structural damage but unable to confirm until aircraft is back in
the hangar and thoroughly inspected.
At present, N195XS rests in her trailer in my yard while I rest on my
back.
Fred
A-194
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| Subject: | Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage |
Wow, Glad to hear you are not more seriously injured. Hopefully like my
friend who had similar fracture after writing his plane off with a
forced landing cross grain into a medieval ridge & furrow field, you
will be good as new in a couple of months. & good choice - trees beat
buildings any time. All best, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2022-05-16 21:56, Fred Klein wrote:
> Gents...Back on April 13th I had some unanticipated excitement.
>
> In the spirit of sharing experiences so others may benefit, here is the
> narrative description of this event which I've provided to the NTSB:
>
> This Experimental, Amateur-built Aircraft was being flown within the
> Phase 1 Limitations listed under its Special Airworthiness Certificate
> dated September 10, 2019. !
>
> After take off with full fuel at approximently 10:30 am with the
> intention of remaining in the pattern and flight testing some
> modifications to the engine cooling system, I'd been doing circuits
> around KORS at 2500 ft...all was well, engine humming along, temps were
> nominal... cruising along at 130-140 kts...decided to land...descended
> to pattern altitude...entered downwind at 85-90 kts stabilized at 1000
> ft...80 kts abeam the numbers...lowered flaps & LG...(LG & flaps are
> interconnected w/ single flap setting of 20 deg.)...engine
> stopped...slowed to 75 kts, switched fuel pumps, attempted restart,
> engine cranked fine but did not fire up...turned base, attempted
> restart again, engine cranks fine but no start...at that point I was in
> a state of disbelief that my engine would not restart, although I
> realized that I may not reach the runway... turned 45 deg towards
> runway threshold...terrain is flat with a wooded strip approximately
> 100 feet wide separating rows of one and two story residential
> structures...another restart attempt, nada...way below the proper glide
> path and I became quite aware that I was heading for some trees...was
> feeling surreal, calm...no images of my life passing thru my
> brain...definitely flew the plane, stall warner did not go off...the
> engine was not windmilling prior to impact, and upon impact my shoulder
> strap risers performed well...no injuries...no smell of fuel...First
> thing I did was turn off Master Switch, and out of habit, turn off all
> other rocker switches; when doing so, I did not notice if any of the
> rockers, normally "on" in flight or whenever the engine is running, had
> been in the "off" position...If I'd had any available bandwidth in my
> brain, I would have sat tight and dialed 911 on my cell phone, but my
> instincts had me opening the door to exit the aircraft had a sense of
> being within a bunch of tree branches...I now think I was experiencing
> some tunnel vision...in any case, I didn't realize I was up so high...I
> recall having no trouble getting my butt up on the headrest and
> swinging my legs over the gullwing door sill and onto the wing...then
> all of a sudden I was on my back on the ground in considerable pain
> after having fallen 12 to 15 feet onto soft, soggy soil, flat terrain.
> The property owner witnessed the low flying airplane and heard the
> impact into the trees; he called 911 at 11:36 am. Aircraft remained
> intact, stuck and supported between trees in a nose-high attitude.
> Estimated airspeed at impact between 50 and 60 kts. Post-crash, falling
> to the ground resulted in compression fracture of lower spine; no
> complications; need to take it easy, need for patience to let body heal
>
> Probable cause of engine stoppage: The engine stoppage occurred as I
> was lowering the Landing Gear and Flaps. In the process of lowering the
> LG, I experienced some difficulty getting the lever control into the
> down and locked position. Normally lowering the gear is done with the
> right hand. I used my left hand to assist getting the lever in the
> locked position...One possibility is my left hand may have brushed one,
> two, or three of the rocker switches which control the ignition coils,
> fuel injectors, and ECU of the MPEFIed, 140 hp engine derived from a
> Subaru EA81. A second possibility is that when I returned my left hand
> to the control stick,, I abruptly shoved the stick forward to correct
> for the nose-high attitude caused by the deployment of full flaps and
> my left hand brushed up against them. If either of these events
> occurred, I was completely unaware. This is speculation on my part and
> may be confirmed (or not) once the aircraft has a new propeller
> installed and the engine is run up. My hunch is it will fire right up,
> smoothe as silk, and stop when the rocker switch energizing the
> ignition coils or fuel injectors is turned off.
>
> We'll see. Description of Damage to Aircraft and Other Property
>
> Airframe is of premolded fiberglass / composite construction; control
> surfaces are fiberglass over foam cores.
>
> Forward portion of starboard wing tip and nav/strobe/landing light
> broken, 2" dia. puncture starboard wing leading edge, 12" long crease
> in port wing leading edge, port wing AOA pin dislodged, propeller
> blades broken (engine not running on impact), spinner dented, lower
> cowling ruptured, main LG fairing ruptured, 2" puncture in rudder, 20"
> gash in underside of fuselage, tail wheel swivel-stop bent, 2 fuselage
> punctures, appproximately 4" x 4" forward of port wing root; aircraft
> came to rest within trees about 10 feet above the ground, in the
> process of lowering the aircraft to the ground the starboard gull-wing
> door/window was broken; no indication of major structural damage but
> unable to confirm until aircraft is back in the hangar and thoroughly
> inspected.
>
> At present, N195XS rests in her trailer in my yard while I rest on my
> back.
>
> Fred
> A-194
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| Subject: | Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage |
> On May 16, 2022, at 3:37 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Wow, Glad to hear you are not more seriously injured. Hopefully like
my friend who had similar fracture after writing his plane off with a
forced landing cross grain into a medieval ridge & furrow field, you
will be good as new in a couple of months. & good choice - trees beat
buildings any time. All best, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
Thanks Davidwhile this event has indeed been regrettable, there
are many alternative outcomes of which I=99m truly grateful did
not come to passF.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage |
wow indeed. What a story. So happy to hear that you are recovering
successfully, and a total bonus that your beautifully finished and
creatively modded bird is rebuildable.
May both of you return to the air soon!
best wishes,
PeteZ
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 6:55 PM <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> Wow, Glad to hear you are not more seriously injured. Hopefully like my
> friend who had similar fracture after writing his plane off with a forced
> landing cross grain into a medieval ridge & furrow field, you will be good
> as new in a couple of months. & good choice - trees beat buildings any
> time. All best, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
> On 2022-05-16 21:56, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Gents...Back on April 13th I had some unanticipated excitement.
> In the spirit of sharing experiences so others may benefit, here is the
> narrative description of this event which I've provided to the NTSB:
>
> This Experimental, Amateur-built Aircraft was being flown within the Phase
> 1 Limitations listed under its Special Airworthiness Certificate dated
> September 10, 2019. !
>
> After take off with full fuel at approximently 10:30 am with the intention
> of remaining in the pattern and flight testing some modifications to the
> engine cooling system, I'd been doing circuits around KORS at 2500 ft...all
> was well, engine humming along, temps were nominal... cruising along at
> 130-140 kts...decided to land...descended to pattern altitude...entered
> downwind at 85-90 kts stabilized at 1000 ft...80 kts abeam the
> numbers...lowered flaps & LG...(LG & flaps are interconnected w/ single
> flap setting of 20 deg.)...engine stopped...slowed to 75 kts, switched fuel
> pumps, attempted restart, engine cranked fine but did not fire up...turned
> base, attempted restart again, engine cranks fine but no start...at that
> point I was in a state of disbelief that my engine would not restart,
> although I realized that I may not reach the runway... turned 45 deg
> towards runway threshold...terrain is flat with a wooded strip
> approximately 100 feet wide separating rows of one and two story
> residential structures...another restart attempt, nada...way below the
> proper glide path and I became quite aware that I was heading for some
> trees...was feeling surreal, calm...no images of my life passing thru my
> brain...definitely flew the plane, stall warner did not go off...the engine
> was not windmilling prior to impact, and upon impact my shoulder strap
> risers performed well...no injuries...no smell of fuel...First thing I did
> was turn off Master Switch, and out of habit, turn off all other rocker
> switches; when doing so, I did not notice if any of the rockers, normally
> "on" in flight or whenever the engine is running, had been in the "off"
> position...If I'd had any available bandwidth in my brain, I would have sat
> tight and dialed 911 on my cell phone, but my instincts had me opening the
> door to exit the aircraft had a sense of being within a bunch of tree
> branches...I now think I was experiencing some tunnel vision...in any case,
> I didn't realize I was up so high...I recall having no trouble getting my
> butt up on the headrest and swinging my legs over the gullwing door sill
> and onto the wing...then all of a sudden I was on my back on the ground in
> considerable pain after having fallen 12 to 15 feet onto soft, soggy soil,
> flat terrain. The property owner witnessed the low flying airplane and
> heard the impact into the trees; he called 911 at 11:36 am. Aircraft
> remained intact, stuck and supported between trees in a nose-high attitude.
> Estimated airspeed at impact between 50 and 60 kts. Post-crash, falling to
> the ground resulted in compression fracture of lower spine; no
> complications; need to take it easy, need for patience to let body heal
>
> Probable cause of engine stoppage: The engine stoppage occurred as I was
> lowering the Landing Gear and Flaps. In the process of lowering the LG, I
> experienced some difficulty getting the lever control into the down and
> locked position. Normally lowering the gear is done with the right hand. I
> used my left hand to assist getting the lever in the locked position...One
> possibility is my left hand may have brushed one, two, or three of the
> rocker switches which control the ignition coils, fuel injectors, and ECU
> of the MPEFIed, 140 hp engine derived from a Subaru EA81. A second
> possibility is that when I returned my left hand to the control stick,, I
> abruptly shoved the stick forward to correct for the nose-high attitude
> caused by the deployment of full flaps and my left hand brushed up against
> them. If either of these events occurred, I was completely unaware. This is
> speculation on my part and may be confirmed (or not) once the aircraft has
> a new propeller installed and the engine is run up. My hunch is it will
> fire right up, smoothe as silk, and stop when the rocker switch energizing
> the ignition coils or fuel injectors is turned off.
>
> We'll see.
> [image: page9image92354240]Description of Damage to Aircraft and Other
> Property
>
> Airframe is of premolded fiberglass / composite construction; control
> surfaces are fiberglass over foam cores.
>
> Forward portion of starboard wing tip and nav/strobe/landing light broken,
> 2" dia. puncture starboard wing leading edge, 12" long crease in port wing
> leading edge, port wing AOA pin dislodged, propeller blades broken (engine
> not running on impact), spinner dented, lower cowling ruptured, main LG
> fairing ruptured, 2" puncture in rudder, 20" gash in underside of fuselage,
> tail wheel swivel-stop bent, 2 fuselage punctures, appproximately 4" x 4"
> forward of port wing root; aircraft came to rest within trees about 10 feet
> above the ground, in the process of lowering the aircraft to the ground the
> starboard gull-wing door/window was broken; no indication of major
> structural damage but unable to confirm until aircraft is back in the
> hangar and thoroughly inspected.
> At present, N195XS rests in her trailer in my yard while I rest on my back.
>
> Fred
> A-194
>
>
> [image: page9image92343680] [image: page9image92350016] [image:
> page9image92345024] [image: page9image92351936]
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing short in some trees following engine stoppage |
Thanks Peteif you read between the lines you=99ll note
ample justifications for me to be beating myself up for flawed analyses
and actions not taken in a timely mannerI=99m trusting
that this too shall passF.
> On May 16, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> wow indeed. What a story. So happy to hear that you are recovering
successfully, and a total bonus that your beautifully finished and
creatively modded bird is rebuildable.
> May both of you return to the air soon!
> best wishes,
> PeteZ
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing painting Jig |
On 16.05.22 1:39 pm, Area-51 wrote:
> kingsley's method is the best option
I hasten to say that the photos I posted of the rotisserie set-up were
originally offered by Michael Parkin in the UK and the idea was NOT mine.
As stated in my post, I used my own version based on Michael's so credit
has to go to Michael for the idea.
Cheers
Kingsley
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