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Tue 08/16/22


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 02:01 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12 (Area-51)
     2. 06:13 AM - Excessive oil consumption (JonathanMilbank)
     3. 06:28 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/13 - 8/19 (h&jeuropa)
     4. 08:35 AM - Re: Excessive oil consumption (Jeff B)
     5. 12:50 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12 (dmac7)
     6. 01:04 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12 (dmac7)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:01:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Looks the goods on the maingear upgrade... did you happen to weigh the new wheel before fitting? The factory europa unit weighs a ton!! Am thinking of fitting this mod... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507681#507681


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    Time: 06:13:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Excessive oil consumption
    From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    My 912ULS was bought 2nd hand after being stripped and rebuilt, following an accident in a foreign airframe. I have no record of how long it operated since new and my logbook starts at 220 hours, continuing from early 2014 and the subsequent 8.5 years until now to log another 470 hours. However I've become aware of gradually increasing oil consumption in the latter years up until now, when I'm using 1.5 litres per 50 hours. As I recall, originally the consumption was less than 0.5 litre. There is a brown stain emanating from the exhaust and continuing under the port wing along the rear fuselage. The most plausible explanation so far is that the valve stem oil seals have stiffened with age and should be replaced. This is something which I potentially could do, having previously removed a cylinder head and lapped the valves, resulting in fully restored compression for over 150 hours. All 4 cylinders are within 3 psi of each other to this day and the engine performs as well as ever. There are no other oil leaks from the engine and the breather collection pot barely fills at all. The spark plugs show no signs of oiliness. But I'm contemplating that I might eventually remove all 4 heads and give them to an expert for a proper refurbishment, once it reaches a point where I don't want to see the brown streak on the port side any longer. So to the point of this email. I definitely have no intention of removing the cylinders and pistons to check oil rings. Why? Because to the best of my knowledge the Rotax 912 engines are very high quality, to the extent that I've never read nor heard of cylinders, pistons and rings being badly worn with barely 700 hours of operation. I'm very willing to "take the chance" that only the cylinder heads need refurbishment. So unless I see scoring of a cylinder wall after head removal, I'll "let sleeping dogs lie." No honing, etc. If I'm wrong and the head refurbishment isn't enough to cure the oil problem, then it won't be too awful to remove everything and start again. My question is whether anyone knows of excessive cylinder, piston or ring wear in an engine with only 700 hours, not due to human error like using the wrong oil or losing coolant, or anything that contradicts my faith in Rotax. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507684#507684


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    Time: 06:28:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/13 - 8/19
    From: "h&amp;jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
    Flew up to our sailboat in northern Michigan. A beautiful VFR day. On top of a scattered cloud deck a 9500 ft. One of the nicest flights in recent memory. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507686#507686


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    Time: 08:35:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Excessive oil consumption
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    My money would be on the oil seals at the valves, however, There is always the possibility, though remote, of a cracked head. Easiest way to narrow it down is to remove the exhaust down pipes and have a peek inside. If you've got oil going through one cylinder, you should be able to verify it by looking. If all pipes show evidence of oil, then it's probably seals. Just a thought. Jeff, N55XS - Baby Blue On 8/16/2022 8:13 AM, JonathanMilbank wrote: > > My 912ULS was bought 2nd hand after being stripped and rebuilt, following an accident in a foreign airframe. I have no record of how long it operated since new and my logbook starts at 220 hours, continuing from early 2014 and the subsequent 8.5 years until now to log another 470 hours. > > However I've become aware of gradually increasing oil consumption in the latter years up until now, when I'm using 1.5 litres per 50 hours. As I recall, originally the consumption was less than 0.5 litre. There is a brown stain emanating from the exhaust and continuing under the port wing along the rear fuselage. > > The most plausible explanation so far is that the valve stem oil seals have stiffened with age and should be replaced. This is something which I potentially could do, having previously removed a cylinder head and lapped the valves, resulting in fully restored compression for over 150 hours. All 4 cylinders are within 3 psi of each other to this day and the engine performs as well as ever. > > There are no other oil leaks from the engine and the breather collection pot barely fills at all. The spark plugs show no signs of oiliness. But I'm contemplating that I might eventually remove all 4 heads and give them to an expert for a proper refurbishment, once it reaches a point where I don't want to see the brown streak on the port side any longer. > > So to the point of this email. I definitely have no intention of removing the cylinders and pistons to check oil rings. Why? Because to the best of my knowledge the Rotax 912 engines are very high quality, to the extent that I've never read nor heard of cylinders, pistons and rings being badly worn with barely 700 hours of operation. I'm very willing to "take the chance" that only the cylinder heads need refurbishment. So unless I see scoring of a cylinder wall after head removal, I'll "let sleeping dogs lie." No honing, etc. > > If I'm wrong and the head refurbishment isn't enough to cure the oil problem, then it won't be too awful to remove everything and start again. > > My question is whether anyone knows of excessive cylinder, piston or ring wear in an engine with only 700 hours, not due to human error like using the wrong oil or losing coolant, or anything that contradicts my faith in Rotax. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507684#507684 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:50:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12
    From: "dmac7" <dmac7@outlook.com>
    Hello to those who want details of the weight..19.99Lbs. 9.07 Kg. for the wheel tire and all brake parts bolts included. One could save .7 Lbs with a Airtrac 700-6 tire. This weight from this digital luggage scale was double checked with digital bathroom scale and both agree. The 1 1/4" holes in the swingarm flange saved 1 1/4 lbs. a few holes in the damper bracket saved 1/2 lbs. The new damper pair save .9 lbs. I may go back to the factory damper as mine both work though one seeped a little oil. Will decide if the new dampers please me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507690#507690 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pxl_20220816_1923272482020_193.jpg


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    Time: 01:04:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/6 - 8/12
    From: "dmac7" <dmac7@outlook.com>
    To those who feel taking material from these components is compromising the safety of the aircraft, Manfred Jann took far more out of his landing gear and did all the stress calculations getting proving compliance with FAA certification standards and winning approval in Germany. He had 48 A4 size pages of hand written calculations of which I have two. Walter Binder was first to lighten the landing gear, also from Germany. I'm not blazing new trails. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507691#507691




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