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1. 12:33 AM - Wing Pin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9CPlay?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9D? (JDA)
2. 04:29 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Wing_Pin_=9CPlay=9D? (Pete)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Black Plastic Static Vent (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 02:03 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/19 - 8/26 (MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE)
5. 02:15 PM - Re: Black Plastic Static Vent (n7188u)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: Black Plastic Static Vent (Bud Yerly)
7. 09:08 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/19 - 8/26 (Area-51)
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| Subject: | Wing Pin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9CPlay?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9D? |
My rear wing pin (wing root, near trailing edge) has a tiny amount of play, as
if it is rocking within its thread. It also rotates a few degrees either side
of vertical. The pin should be held within its threads by Redux 420 or Loctite
243: perhaps rigging forces have disturbed this bond? As far as I can determine,
the surrounding wing reinforcing structure is sound. For info, I have the
original classic foam wings, and have both Mod 52 (gross weight increase) and
Mod 74 (rear wing attachment reinforcement) embodied. Mod 74 calls for a washer
and nyloc nut to be fitted to the rear of the pin: this makes pin removal impossible
short of digging into the wing itself to access the nut. However, this
suggests to me that the pin is still able to withstand the drag and anti-drag
forces. Questions: do others have similar play in the wing pins? Is it acceptable?
Any repair ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Wing_Pin_=9CPlay=9D? |
Yes. Indeed i brought this up a couple years ago and had determined that tolerance
stackups in the pin/receptacle assembly results in this play. I measured
and tried both my existing classic era and newer xs kit assemblies. All had the
play.
I also got a quote from Europa for some custom mfg assemblies, but at $1000 i opted
to live with the play.
Cheers,
PeteZ
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if it is rocking within its thread. It also rotates a few degrees either side
of vertical. The pin should be held within its threads by Redux 420 or Loctite
243: perhaps rigging forces have disturbed this bond? As far as I can determine,
the surrounding wing reinforcing structure is sound. For info, I have the
original classic foam wings, and have both Mod 52 (gross weight increase) and
Mod 74 (rear wing attachment reinforcement) embodied. Mod 74 calls for a washer
and nyloc nut to be fitted to the rear of the pin: this makes pin removal
impossible short of digging into the wing itself to access the nut. However, this
suggests to me that the pin is still able to withstand the drag and anti-drag
forces. Questions: do others have similar play in the wing pins? Is it acceptable?
Any repair ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: Black Plastic Static Vent |
Bud, Ron and Chris
Thank you gentlemen for your sage advices.
I have been flying for almost four years with the static tubing disconnected from
the probe and just lying in the wing so there is no real urgency to fix the
problem.
My main reason for wanting to return the static probe to standard is based more
on aesthetics than practicality.
Finally, a friend offered to turn up a new one for me from aluminium so I thought
it best to have it the proper dimensions so that I can use it if I decide to
go that way.
Thanks again and cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/19 - 8/26 |
Good morning Jim,
Well, this is the time of year I pull Eddie off the airport for her annual inspection.
I figure it gives her a break from the heat and the monsoon storms.
So far, all looks good. Just some typical maintenance issues, adding some ideas
I got from Forum (adding spacers to stand off the D window for better air circulation),
and cleaning all the things that get dirty.
I did find two small delam bubbles, one trailing edge mid wing and the other on
a leading edge of a stabilator. So Ill see about fixing these.
Other than that, just keeping busy.
One funny note: the wife and I just got back from a few weeks on a travel trailer
trip (cant say RV trip because some might think Ive traded planes) and during
the trip I got the chance stop at the famous Leadville airport we all grew
to love during our flight training. Pattern altitude of 11,000 feet is inspiring.
And it was almost 90F that day. Talk about density altitude! The wife was
getting a headache from the thin air so I can just imagine an engine trying to
suck in enough air and the wings clawing for the sky on takeoff.
Mike Duane
Chandler, Arizona
Europa XS conventional gear
N377EA
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| Subject: | Re: Black Plastic Static Vent |
I fixed mine and ready for Saturday breakfast.
In my case I broke the static tip in the hangar and the piece was embedded in my
skull so no need to make a new tip (well, just kidding, the piece was in the
floor).
The fix was simple, the ID of the tip was exactly 1/8". Just ordered a hobby grade
1/8" OD brass tube, cut a small section and press fit into what is left of
the plastic tip inside the pitot tube assembly and then press fit the black tip
making sure not to block the holes. I did add a drop of CA glue but probably
not doing anything. It is nice and tight though.
I wholeheartedly agree with Bud in that it would be wise to have a spare of some
kind or make it easy to vent to the cockpit. One day I experimented with venting
inside the cockpit and did not notice a difference with the outside vent.
Cheers,
Chris
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| Subject: | Black Plastic Static Vent |
Kingsley,
Glad to hear you are making a custom part.
For those leaving the static in the wing, I have found it is a crap shoot on how
static the inside of the wing is.
The fuselage (behind the panel) seems to work best for an alternate static source.
Bud Yerly
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Black Plastic Static Vent
Bud, Ron and Chris
Thank you gentlemen for your sage advices.
I have been flying for almost four years with the static tubing disconnected from
the probe and just lying in the wing so there is no real urgency to fix the
problem.
My main reason for wanting to return the static probe to standard is based more
on aesthetics than practicality.
Finally, a friend offered to turn up a new one for me from aluminium so I thought
it best to have it the proper dimensions so that I can use it if I decide to
go that way.
Thanks again and cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 8/19 - 8/26 |
Decided to bite the bullet and attack some hard ground yesterday. With terror ready
and waiting for the europa's left jive party trick it never got close to
showing up.... no longer hesitant toward operating off tarmac; all the attentive
practice, instructor type training and command time has delivered results...
brought 181 down over the keys for a great landing and used the remaining 1200m
of road to review competence at flying the wings on the ground and keeping
centreline... did the same while backtracking for takeoff; rollout and unstick
lasted less than 100m, then a minute later 181 was departing overhead at 1500'
above the field.
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