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1. 01:42 PM - Re: Wing Pin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9CPlay?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9D? (JDA)
2. 01:54 PM - =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBSZTogV2luZyBQaW4gw6LigqzFk1BsYXnDouKCrA==? (Pete Zut)
3. 02:33 PM - fiberglass tank update (William Daniell)
4. 02:52 PM - Re: fiberglass tank update (Pete Zut)
5. 03:18 PM - Re: fiberglass tank update (Wladimir Kummer)
6. 03:18 PM - Re: fiberglass tank update (Brian Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Pin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9CPlay?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9D? |
Update to my wobbly rear wing pin issue (the metal pin on the wing root behind
the main spar)... It was "rocking" slightly within its thread. MOD 52 and MOD
74 had been carried out. I spoke to Andy Draper who deduced that the Loctite had
either failed, or insufficient had originally been applied. He said that it
was probably not significant structurally but might be a fretting issue. He
recommended applying a "wicking" loctite to the thread which should penetrate
by capillary action - rig before it sets!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507889#507889
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| Subject: | =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBSZTogV2luZyBQaW4gw6LigqzFk1BsYXnDouKCrA==? |
Are you referring to the W26C/W26A assembly? With loctite?? I doubt it,
but am thoroughly confused about what you are glueing together.
On my plane, the W26C/W26A/Pip-pin assembly is causing the forward/backward
wingtip slop, due to tolerance clearance stack-up.
Cheers and thx,
PeteZ
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 4:48 PM JDA <johndavidamos@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Update to my wobbly rear wing pin issue (the metal pin on the wing root
> behind the main spar)... It was "rocking" slightly within its thread. MOD
> 52 and MOD 74 had been carried out. I spoke to Andy Draper who deduced that
> the Loctite had either failed, or insufficient had originally been
> applied. He said that it was probably not significant structurally but
> might be a fretting issue. He recommended applying a "wicking" loctite to
> the thread which should penetrate by capillary action - rig before it sets!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507889#507889
>
>
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| Subject: | fiberglass tank update |
Light at the end of the tunnel.
This is not for the faint of heart. That said it was made
considerably worse by doing it in Florida summer, on a full day's work I
lost about 5 lbs.
1. I originally planned to make front and back and then the base/sides
and glue it all together. This is impossible.
2. I then did what I should have done in the first place and made a plug
of XPS. Sounds easy when said like that but oh boy. Getting the plug out
was a nightmare despite (supposed) release tape. lesson learned: make the
plug hollow. Front and back and then build the sides so that you can break
out the plug without effort.
3. I used EZ Poxy and Rutan cloth.
4. I glassed the inside with three layers. It is quite heavy, I
am guessing maybe 50% more than the original, (can anyone send me the
weight of a plastic tank ?) but very solid. However I guess it will crack
in the case of a crash.
5. This tank holds 15 gals. 5 gals up to the top of the "hump", 5
gals up to the bottom of the shelf and 5 gals in the shelf. I could have
made it a bit bigger but it fist in the door sills.
6. I have decided to go with the original outlet fittings so that I can
inspect the finger strainers as part of the annual. I have heard of
fiberglass tanks shedding. The fiberglass outlets for the fittings will be
floxed/glassed in place. I will use the original 1" hose arrangement to
hold the aluminium outlets in place.
7. Filler is next.
8. I am putting an inspection hatch in the top.
I asked Europa for a quote the day after I discovered the leak. I am still
waiting for the quote, let alone the delivery time.
Thanks to Chuck Reinas in CA.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass tank update |
I will measure my tank's weight this monday.... if you haven't received the
number by then.
cheers,
PeteZ
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 5:48 PM William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Light at the end of the tunnel.
>
> This is not for the faint of heart. That said it was made
> considerably worse by doing it in Florida summer, on a full day's work I
> lost about 5 lbs.
>
> 1. I originally planned to make front and back and then the base/sides
> and glue it all together. This is impossible.
> 2. I then did what I should have done in the first place and made a
> plug of XPS. Sounds easy when said like that but oh boy. Getting the plug
> out was a nightmare despite (supposed) release tape. lesson learned: make
> the plug hollow. Front and back and then build the sides so that you can
> break out the plug without effort.
> 3. I used EZ Poxy and Rutan cloth.
> 4. I glassed the inside with three layers. It is quite heavy, I
> am guessing maybe 50% more than the original, (can anyone send me the
> weight of a plastic tank ?) but very solid. However I guess it will crack
> in the case of a crash.
> 5. This tank holds 15 gals. 5 gals up to the top of the "hump", 5
> gals up to the bottom of the shelf and 5 gals in the shelf. I could have
> made it a bit bigger but it fist in the door sills.
> 6. I have decided to go with the original outlet fittings so that I
> can inspect the finger strainers as part of the annual. I have heard of
> fiberglass tanks shedding. The fiberglass outlets for the fittings will be
> floxed/glassed in place. I will use the original 1" hose arrangement to
> hold the aluminium outlets in place.
> 7. Filler is next.
> 8. I am putting an inspection hatch in the top.
>
> I asked Europa for a quote the day after I discovered the leak. I am
> still waiting for the quote, let alone the delivery time.
>
> Thanks to Chuck Reinas in CA.
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass tank update |
Hi Will,
Wonderful work. Congrats.
I=C2=B4m building a rather modified XS MG (conventional LG, center truss ou
t of
4130 cage anchored in the reinforced sidewalls). Having removed the plastic
tank and making one out of aluminum with larger capacity (live in a big
country - Brazil) I weighted the plastic one. A whooping 6+kg (can=C2=B4t
remember exactly how much past 6). The alu one will weight about 4kg and
will hold almost 8 gallons more.
Consider using a fuel sealant inside, even a 3 layer is expected to have a
bunch of pin holes and make the tank leaky.
Best
Wlad
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Em qui., 15 de set. de 2022 =C3-s 18:39, William Daniell <
wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> escreveu:
> Light at the end of the tunnel.
>
> This is not for the faint of heart. That said it was made
> considerably worse by doing it in Florida summer, on a full day's work I
> lost about 5 lbs.
>
> 1. I originally planned to make front and back and then the base/sides
> and glue it all together. This is impossible.
> 2. I then did what I should have done in the first place and made a
> plug of XPS. Sounds easy when said like that but oh boy. Getting the
plug
> out was a nightmare despite (supposed) release tape. lesson learned:
make
> the plug hollow. Front and back and then build the sides so that you
can
> break out the plug without effort.
> 3. I used EZ Poxy and Rutan cloth.
> 4. I glassed the inside with three layers. It is quite heavy, I
> am guessing maybe 50% more than the original, (can anyone send me th
e
> weight of a plastic tank ?) but very solid. However I guess it will c
rack
> in the case of a crash.
> 5. This tank holds 15 gals. 5 gals up to the top of the "hump", 5
> gals up to the bottom of the shelf and 5 gals in the shelf. I could
have
> made it a bit bigger but it fist in the door sills.
> 6. I have decided to go with the original outlet fittings so that I
> can inspect the finger strainers as part of the annual. I have heard
of
> fiberglass tanks shedding. The fiberglass outlets for the fittings wi
ll be
> floxed/glassed in place. I will use the original 1" hose arrangement
to
> hold the aluminium outlets in place.
> 7. Filler is next.
> 8. I am putting an inspection hatch in the top.
>
> I asked Europa for a quote the day after I discovered the leak. I am
> still waiting for the quote, let alone the delivery time.
>
> Thanks to Chuck Reinas in CA.
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass tank update |
I just weighed my bare tank, 6.390 Kg or 14.07 pounds.
Don't feel bad, I am still waiting on a Europa order I placed over a
year ago, nothing fast happens there.
Cheers,
Brian Phillips
Oz.
On 16/09/2022 7:51 am, Pete Zut wrote:
> I will measure my tank's weight this monday.... if you haven't
> received the number by then.
>
> cheers,
> PeteZ
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 5:48 PM William Daniell
> <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Light at the end of the tunnel.
>
> This is not for the faint of heart. That said it was made
> considerablyworse by doing it in Florida summer, on a full
> day'swork I lost about 5 lbs.
>
> 1. I originallyplanned to make frontand back and then the
> base/sides and glue it all together. This is impossible.
> 2. I then did what I should have done in thefirst place and made
> a plug of XPS. Sounds easy when said like that but oh boy.
> Getting the plug out was a nightmare despite (supposed)
> release tape. lesson learned: make the plug hollow. Front
> and back and then buildthe sides so that you can break out
> the plug without effort.
> 3. I used EZ Poxy and Rutancloth.
> 4. I glassed the inside with three layers. It is quite heavy, I
> amguessingmaybe 50% more than the original, (can anyone
> send me the weight ofa plastic tank ?) but very solid.
> However I guess it will crack in the case of a crash.
> 5. This tank holds 15 gals. 5 gals up to the top of the
> "hump", 5 gals up to the bottom of the shelf and 5 gals in
> the shelf. I could have made it a bit biggerbut itfistin
> thedoor sills.
> 6. I have decided to go with the originaloutlet fittings so that
> I can inspectthe finger strainers as part of the annual. I
> have heard of fiberglass tanks shedding. Thefiberglass
> outlets for the fittings will be floxed/glassed in place. I
> will use the original 1" hose arrangement to hold the
> aluminium outlets in place.
> 7. Filler is next.
> 8. I am putting an inspection hatch in the top.
>
> I asked Europa for a quote the day after I discovered the leak. I
> am still waiting for the quote, let alone the delivery time.
>
> Thanks to ChuckReinas in CA.
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
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