---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/19/22: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 (n7188u) 2. 02:47 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 (Pete Zut) 3. 04:54 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 (h&jeuropa) 4. 04:54 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 (h&jeuropa) 5. 05:48 PM - Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank (n7188u) 6. 05:57 PM - Re: Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank (n7188u) 7. 06:36 PM - Re: Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 From: "n7188u" Relatively quiet at this end. I painted the access covers to start getting excited about painting the airplane. It is working. Will fly to Triple Tree this week and then Thomasville Fly-Ins and then will probably ground the airplane for painting. I plan to make it a slow process since stamina is at a premium lately and I want to do most (if not all) of it in-house. The Covers served as a test of primer combinations with weight and finish in mind. Came out pretty nice except for nobs here and there because I painted outside and not in a spray both. The paint was also very old (25 yrs old). Yes, that's a stretch, but the base looked perfect and the activator was surprisingly crystal clear. It cured fine but you can tell it lost some of it's solid's holding ability. I will be using new paint on the airplane, of course, procured from Southern Polyurethanes which makes the wonderful epoxy primer I used and still holding strong. Picture included. Took cowling off to inspect engine in preparation for my trip to Triple-Tree this week. Best, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507905#507905 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1325_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:31 PM PST US From: Pete Zut Subject: Re: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 =EF=BB Flew 7 young eagles, 4 keen girls...great to see. Did a breakfast fly in, fo llowed up with a trip for some pioneer village style bread and cheese. Finished off with a static display at our local yearly airshow (with my son d oing P1 duty). Now eagerly awaiting delivery of my E-props glorious CS prop. A good couple of europa weeks for me. :) PeteZ C-GPWZ On Fri., Sep. 16, 2022, 9:02 a.m. h&jeuropa, wrote: > > Starting thread for this week. > > We are off to Havana, IL this afternoon. > > Jim > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507894#507894 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 From: "h&jeuropa" On Friday we flew to Havana IL for a RAF fly in featuring star gazing. Students from local universities bring BIG telescopes to show stars in the dark night sky. Our dog Finn did really well with his first camping adventure. Saturday we flew to Hagerstown, IN for a fly in camp out. Another nice day, walk into town, ice cream, and really good chicken dinner. Sunday, an easy return flight home. Great weekend! Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507908#507908 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/finn_europa_210.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 9/16 - 9/23 From: "h&jeuropa" On Friday we flew to Havana IL for a RAF fly in featuring star gazing. Students from local universities bring BIG telescopes to show stars in the dark night sky. Our dog Finn did really well with his first camping adventure. Saturday we flew to Hagerstown, IN for a fly in camp out. Another nice day, walk into town, ice cream, and really good chicken dinner. Sunday, an easy return flight home. Great weekend! Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507909#507909 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/finn_europa_210.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:36 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank From: "n7188u" Well, sort of dumb question but I am loading my airplane for Triple Tree and I am doing the W&B. Since now I have the LR tank for the first time something struck me: If I factor in the 9.4 lbs of empty LR tank and 9.25 gallons (35 liters) of fuel at 56 lbs for a total 66 lbs then I only have 14 lbs before reaching the 80 lbs baggage limit. So I would thing the 80 lbs weight limit is only on the aft shelf structure but wanted to hear the group's opinion. I would think Europa did it's homework when it came to the structure supporting a full LR tank. For this trip I have 68.4 lbs of baggage (the tool pouch and tiedown sum 20 lbs). Total TO weight is 1139 lbs but I am aft CG limited. I am moving 33lbs of baggage to the passenger seat but I can only load max 5 gallons on the LR tank. Good thing I did the W&B. Anyway, I digressed but I thought it would be a good warning to the group to check CG if using the LR tank. Duh. My original intended question was regarding the 80 lbs baggage limit, whether it included LR tank weight or not? Thoughts? Best, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507911#507911 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:51 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank From: "n7188u" BTW, forgot to add that if my wife was with me I could place all the baggage in the back, fill the LR tank to the top and still have 27# left with CG within limit. Neat! I do need a lighter tool pouch and tie downs though and gain a little payload. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507912#507912 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:06 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Baggage Weight Limit and LR Tank Chris, I am away from my plane (actually in Connecticut) and all its paperwork so answering without relevant figures. I would suggest you could treat the long range tank as a separate item broadly. You could measure from its centre point to the firewall joggle to get its lever arm figure, which I suspect will be less than that given for luggage and if so this would give you extra leeway on putting a bit more luggage in without breaking COG limits. On the other hand it does sound as though your COG is inconveniently far back and it might be worth considering doing something to change that, like moving the battery to the engine compartment or getting a constant speed prop if either is applicable. Busting the rear COG limit is not to be recommended. An ideal COG allows loading with any combination of heavy or low pilot/passenger and luggage weights. Mine allows that. From memory I think it is around 60.5" but could be wrong. Happy landings, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2022-09-20 01:48, n7188u wrote: > > Well, sort of dumb question but I am loading my airplane for Triple > Tree and I am doing the W&B. Since now I have the LR tank for the first > time something struck me: If I factor in the 9.4 lbs of empty LR tank > and 9.25 gallons (35 liters) of fuel at 56 lbs for a total 66 lbs then > I only have 14 lbs before reaching the 80 lbs baggage limit. > > So I would thing the 80 lbs weight limit is only on the aft shelf > structure but wanted to hear the group's opinion. I would think Europa > did it's homework when it came to the structure supporting a full LR > tank. > > For this trip I have 68.4 lbs of baggage (the tool pouch and tiedown > sum 20 lbs). > > Total TO weight is 1139 lbs but I am aft CG limited. I am moving 33lbs > of baggage to the passenger seat but I can only load max 5 gallons on > the LR tank. Good thing I did the W&B. > > Anyway, I digressed but I thought it would be a good warning to the > group to check CG if using the LR tank. Duh. My original intended > question was regarding the 80 lbs baggage limit, whether it included LR > tank weight or not? Thoughts? > > Best, > Chris > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507911#507911 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.