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5. 09:48 AM - Re: Delta Juliet (Hitchflight)
6. 10:00 AM - Looking for a north-eastern USA builder/flyer for a favour (McMaster Carr) (Pete Zut)
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11. 01:55 PM - Re: Delta Juliet (Bud Yerly)
12. 05:22 PM - Re: Delta Juliet (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
Sorry to hear about your medical issues David.
Regarding travelling abroad; would a LAPL medical not suffice? I know that
it is acceptable here in Ireland as I have one & I had a massive heart atta
ck followed by a 4-way bypass in 2007.
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onics.com> on behalf of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk <davidjoyce@doctors.org.u
k>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 12:49:06 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Delta Juliet
Medical issues leave me facing the loss of my class 2 medical and with it
the ability to tour abroad - which is what has provided my main flying plea
sure. So sadly I shall be parting with Delta Juliet. It is one of the most
widely travelled Europas and at the same time one of the most lavishly equi
pped whilst being one of the lighter 914/wobbly prop/monos flying. Amongst
other things: Garmin G3X touch / G5 / Twin channel nav com radio with ILS
& twin VOR / ADSB in and out / Garmin three axis autopilot / Beringer whee
l and brake / low hours 914 / Woodcomp SR3000 N/W high twist prop / covere
d trailer. I shall be prepared to part with it to a good home for a modest
price. I am in the US until 10 November but as soon as I am home I will be
happy to send full documentation on to anyone interested and happy to arra
nge a trial flight.
David Joyce, GXSDJ
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Morning David,
A sad day, the Europa family just wouldn=99t be the same without
you!
I now do a self cert medical which I understand is good for both the UK
and France now.with maybe more countries to follow. That
geographical area will keep me entertained for the remainder of my
flying days!!
Best wishes,
Ivan
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
<owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Sent: 24 October 2022 00:49
Subject: Europa-List: Delta Juliet
Medical issues leave me facing the loss of my class 2 medical and with
it the ability to tour abroad - which is what has provided my main
flying pleasure. So sadly I shall be parting with Delta Juliet. It is
one of the most widely travelled Europas and at the same time one of the
most lavishly equipped whilst being one of the lighter 914/wobbly
prop/monos flying. Amongst other things: Garmin G3X touch / G5 / Twin
channel nav com radio with ILS & twin VOR / ADSB in and out / Garmin
three axis autopilot / Beringer wheel and brake / low hours 914 /
Woodcomp SR3000 N/W high twist prop / covered trailer. I shall be
prepared to part with it to a good home for a modest price. I am in the
US until 10 November but as soon as I am home I will be happy to send
full documentation on to anyone interested and happy to arrange a trial
flight.
David Joyce, GXSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
A sad day. Two decades since I went on my first Europa Club European adventure
transforming my flying aspirations.
Hard to imagine that the 2022 Norway trip completed together with five other Club
members, has become Davids last European adventure.
@ David: Best wishes to you.
@ Ivan: In respect of non ICAO compliant pilot licence travel to France. Sadly
an unambiguous clarification has just been released by the DGAC.
Everything Irv Lee feared in the Europa Club Zoom post Brexit presentation earlier
this year did come true.
Please dont shoot the messenger.
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/dgac:-lapl-pilot-qualification-clarification-
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508148#508148
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
Hi Bob,
I don't hold a LAPL.
I operate now on a full PPL. I have one life time one issued by the CAA and one
issued by EASA. My CPL has now expired, being 77!!
Using these licenses can I no longer fly to France on my self-certification medical?
ATB
Ivan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of Hitchflight
Sent: 24 October 2022 14:15
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Delta Juliet
--> <bobhitchcock@icloud.com>
A sad day. Two decades since I went on my first Europa Club European adventure
transforming my flying aspirations.
Hard to imagine that the 2022 Norway trip completed together with five other Club
members, has become Davids last European adventure.
@ David: Best wishes to you.
@ Ivan: In respect of non ICAO compliant pilot licence travel to France. Sadly
an unambiguous clarification has just been released by the DGAC.
Everything Irv Lee feared in the Europa Club Zoom post Brexit presentation earlier
this year did come true.
Please dont shoot the messenger.
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/dgac:-lapl-pilot-qualification-clarification-
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508148#508148
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
Hi Ivan
The short answer
Neither option is acceptable at this moment in time. Unless you write to the national
authority and obtain permission. Your likelihood of success holding a PMD
only is currently rated as low based on recent experience.
So all the European Union is off limits for you. I have raised with the LAA and
they have thanked the Europa Club for bringing to their attention this latest
development. They will advise the wider LAA membership as appropriate. The initial
response from France is not promising. We live in hope that things may change
back.
The long answer.
Ill do my best to answer the question but Im not the authority. The situation remains dynamic. Its a mess. Noting the CAA are seeking to change the system as it applies to the UK. The Europa Club engaged experts to explain the foreseen predicament in a Europa Club Zoom presentation. https://www.theeuropaclub.org/flying/flying-in-europe
Lets break it down. In your unique case. You have two licences that were issued
as PPLs. An EASA PPL and a UK PPL with ratings attached as appropriate. Im choosing
to ignore your CPL IR .
EASA PPL
First assumption is that your EASA PPL was State issued by the United Kingdom at
a time when the UK was part of the European Union.
Second assumption is we are only talking about a Europa which is a Non Part 21
aircraft.
In such a scenario CAP2086 & Commission regulation 1178/2011 applied. You are flying
a British G-reg Europa outside UK using a UK PPL or Medical certificate.
CAP2086 confirms UK law made your pre-2021 EASA PPL and/or EASA medical legal
as a UK ICAO equivalent. With the ability to use internationally when associated
with an internationally recognised certificate. Unfortunately during the
Brexit negotiations this area was messed up in the sense that UK LAPL medical
and EASA LAPL medical became an area of contention. Mutually non-recognised at
the pan EU EASA level of government negotiations. However most sovereign countries
in Europe will hold valid a UK LAPL medical provided permission is sought
in advance and obtained in writing in advance from each sovereign sate with
the EU. The PMD was not discussed as it was never recognised by EASA. But was
inferred as recognised by France under an old presidential decree until very recently.
Remembering some of the rational predates the UK joining the EU back
in 1972. Exceptions would be granted to old historic aircraft. Fast forward to
today. Negotiations continue with the French, but unfortunately at the same time
the UK is potentially moving the goal posts by further streamlining licences.
Indeed a consultation process has already begun and the opinions of UK pilots
is currently being canvassed. In October 2022 The first part of the rule comes
from the Arrt (Decree) : "Pilots must hold an aeronautical title issued or
recognised by the authority of the State of registry". But under a new interpretation
they have created a restrictive condition : "if the pilot's aeronautical
title has not been issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 or European regulations,
he will have to request authorisation".
In this scenario with this licence with this licence combined with a PMD you can
fly in the UK ( inc. the Channel Islands if permission of obtained from the
Bailwick). Provided you dont fly at Night or on Instruments. Your plane can fly
to Europe because of ECAC approval. You cannot pilot to Europe because the
medical associated with your ICAO standard licence does not meet an international
standard.
Consequently you are restricted to LAPL privileges and because it is non-ICAO,
restricted to UK airspace unless a foreign authority were to approve a unique
or serial applications to visit.
The old original Lifetime UK PPL
Assumption is we are mainly talking about a Europa which is a Non Part 21 aircraft.
Old PPL licences with SEP ratings are valid in non Part 21 aircraft, if an
aircraft that could be flown by a LAPL(A) pilot with associated LAPL level of
medical. The association is valid in non-Part21 aircraft as if it is a UK CAA
PPL but restricted to UK Airspace only unless permitted by foreign authority.
Overview
I personally hold a UK ICAO PPL with IR(R) and Class 2 medical certificate. I
was tempted to move to the LAPL . But fortunately I didnt only because of a previous
Spanish tough interpretation insistence on a Class 2. But now in all the
post Brexit confusion it seems the only gold standard for a British pilot who
wants to travel in Europe is a PPL with a Class 2 medical.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Hope it changes, but I fear it wont.
Trust that helps. Let me know if you need more.
Regards
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508151#508151
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| Subject: | Looking for a north-eastern USA builder/flyer for a favour |
(McMaster Carr)
Sadly McMaster Carr will not entertain any Canadian Customers unless they
are a large commercial account.
My hinges are worn and require replacement or reaming/fitting larger pins
(a common issue for all us flyers). Std 3/32" 3087 welding rod would be a
terrific idea for all new builders - to replace the factory-loose pins in
std aviation extruded hinge material, and prevent/reduce this wear issue.
Sadly, once worn, 3/32" will no longer fix a worn hinge problem.
Thus I am looking for a unicorn size 2.5mm (0.098") stainless (308/316 etc)
close tolerance rod.
The only place I've found it is of course Mcmaster Carr - who will not take
my order. Is there a kind USA-based Europa-ite willing to order for me and
re-post to me up here in Ottawa, ON, Canada K2S1L1?
the item in question which may also be helpful for other builders/flyers:
https://www.mcmaster.com/rods/diameter~2-5mm/
"Combine these general purpose drive shafts with gears, sprockets, and
bearings to transmit rotary motion. All are precision ground to meet tight
diameter and straightness tolerances.
Stainless steel shafts are more corrosion resistant than steel shafts but
also more difficult to machine. 316 stainless steel shafts have excellent
corrosion resistance.
Shafts with chamfered edges have their edges ground to reduce damage to
bearings, housings, and other components during installation.
3D CAD models availableFor technical drawings and 3-D models, click on a
part number.
Lg. Lg. Tolerance Straightness
Tolerance Edge Type Hardness
Rating Hardness Yield
Metric=94316 Stainless Steel
2.5mm Dia. (Tolerance: -0.005mm to 0mm)
200mm -0.25mm to 0.25mm Not Rated Chamfered Medium Rockwell B83 42,000
1265K24 $15.67"
Many thanks!
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
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favour (McMaster Carr)
update: just now I did manage to a place a credit card order using my old
zutrasoft inc. company. :-D
(last time they refused)
Fingers x'd!!!
Cheers,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:08 PM Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Sadly McMaster Carr will not entertain any Canadian Customers unless they
> are a large commercial account.
>
> My hinges are worn and require replacement or reaming/fitting larger pins
> (a common issue for all us flyers). Std 3/32" 3087 welding rod would be
a
> terrific idea for all new builders - to replace the factory-loose pins in
> std aviation extruded hinge material, and prevent/reduce this wear issue
.
> Sadly, once worn, 3/32" will no longer fix a worn hinge problem.
>
> Thus I am looking for a unicorn size 2.5mm (0.098") stainless (308/316
> etc) close tolerance rod.
>
> The only place I've found it is of course Mcmaster Carr - who will not
> take my order. Is there a kind USA-based Europa-ite willing to order for
me
> and re-post to me up here in Ottawa, ON, Canada K2S1L1?
>
> the item in question which may also be helpful for other builders/flyers:
> https://www.mcmaster.com/rods/diameter~2-5mm/
> "Combine these general purpose drive shafts with gears, sprockets, and
> bearings to transmit rotary motion. All are precision ground to meet tigh
t
> diameter and straightness tolerances.
>
> Stainless steel shafts are more corrosion resistant than steel shafts but
> also more difficult to machine. 316 stainless steel shafts have excellent
> corrosion resistance.
>
> Shafts with chamfered edges have their edges ground to reduce damage to
> bearings, housings, and other components during installation.
>
> 3D CAD models availableFor technical drawings and 3-D models, click on a
> part number.
> Lg. Lg. Tolerance Straightness
> Tolerance Edge Type Hardness
> Rating Hardness Yield
> Metric=94316 Stainless Steel
> 2.5mm Dia. (Tolerance: -0.005mm to 0mm)
> 200mm -0.25mm to 0.25mm Not Rated Chamfered Medium Rockwell B83 42,000
> 1265K24 $15.67"
>
> Many thanks!
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
Hi Bob,
Many thanks for taking the time to give me chapter and verse looks like it's a
class two for me next year!! Still we live in hope that common sense will prevail....but
let's not hold our breath!!
Best Wishes.
Ivan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of Hitchflight
Sent: 24 October 2022 17:48
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Delta Juliet
--> <bobhitchcock@icloud.com>
Hi Ivan
The short answer
Neither option is acceptable at this moment in time. Unless you write to the national
authority and obtain permission. Your likelihood of success holding a PMD
only is currently rated as low based on recent experience.
So all the European Union is off limits for you. I have raised with the LAA and
they have thanked the Europa Club for bringing to their attention this latest
development. They will advise the wider LAA membership as appropriate. The initial
response from France is not promising. We live in hope that things may change
back.
The long answer.
Ill do my best to answer the question but Im not the authority. The situation remains dynamic. Its a mess. Noting the CAA are seeking to change the system as it applies to the UK. The Europa Club engaged experts to explain the foreseen predicament in a Europa Club Zoom presentation. https://www.theeuropaclub.org/flying/flying-in-europe
Lets break it down. In your unique case. You have two licences that were issued
as PPLs. An EASA PPL and a UK PPL with ratings attached as appropriate. Im choosing
to ignore your CPL IR .
EASA PPL
First assumption is that your EASA PPL was State issued by the United Kingdom at
a time when the UK was part of the European Union.
Second assumption is we are only talking about a Europa which is a Non Part 21
aircraft.
In such a scenario CAP2086 & Commission regulation 1178/2011 applied. You are flying
a British G-reg Europa outside UK using a UK PPL or Medical certificate.
CAP2086 confirms UK law made your pre-2021 EASA PPL and/or EASA medical legal
as a UK ICAO equivalent. With the ability to use internationally when associated
with an internationally recognised certificate. Unfortunately during the
Brexit negotiations this area was messed up in the sense that UK LAPL medical
and EASA LAPL medical became an area of contention. Mutually non-recognised at
the pan EU EASA level of government negotiations. However most sovereign countries
in Europe will hold valid a UK LAPL medical provided permission is sought
in advance and obtained in writing in advance from each sovereign sate with
the EU. The PMD was not discussed as it was never recognised by EASA. But was
inferred as recognised by France under an old presidential decree until very recently.
Remembering some of the rational predates t!
he UK joining the EU back in 1972. Exceptions would be granted to old historic
aircraft. Fast forward to today. Negotiations continue with the French, but unfortunately
at the same time the UK is potentially moving the goal posts by further
streamlining licences. Indeed a consultation process has already begun
and the opinions of UK pilots is currently being canvassed. In October 2022 The
first part of the rule comes from the Arrt (Decree) : "Pilots must hold an aeronautical
title issued or recognised by the authority of the State of registry".
But under a new interpretation they have created a restrictive condition
: "if the pilot's aeronautical title has not been issued in accordance with ICAO
Annex 1 or European regulations, he will have to request authorisation".
In this scenario with this licence with this licence combined with a PMD you can
fly in the UK ( inc. the Channel Islands if permission of obtained from the
Bailwick). Provided you dont fly at Night or on Instruments. Your plane can fly
to Europe because of ECAC approval. You cannot pilot to Europe because the
medical associated with your ICAO standard licence does not meet an international
standard.
Consequently you are restricted to LAPL privileges and because it is non-ICAO,
restricted to UK airspace unless a foreign authority were to approve a unique
or serial applications to visit.
The old original Lifetime UK PPL
Assumption is we are mainly talking about a Europa which is a Non Part 21 aircraft.
Old PPL licences with SEP ratings are valid in non Part 21 aircraft, if an
aircraft that could be flown by a LAPL(A) pilot with associated LAPL level of
medical. The association is valid in non-Part21 aircraft as if it is a UK CAA
PPL but restricted to UK Airspace only unless permitted by foreign authority.
Overview
I personally hold a UK ICAO PPL with IR(R) and Class 2 medical certificate. I
was tempted to move to the LAPL . But fortunately I didnt only because of a previous
Spanish tough interpretation insistence on a Class 2. But now in all the
post Brexit confusion it seems the only gold standard for a British pilot who
wants to travel in Europe is a PPL with a Class 2 medical.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Hope it changes, but I fear it wont.
Trust that helps. Let me know if you need more.
Regards
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508151#508151
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a north-eastern USA builder/flyer for a |
favour (McMaster Carr)
Pete
Glad you managed to source what you needed from the US. Can I ask how you ar
e planning to ream out the hinges to take this new, larger pin, or are the h
inges sufficiently worn that a 2.5mm pin will just slide in anyway?
Thanks
David
GBWJH
> On 24 Oct 2022, at 18:16, Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> update: just now I did manage to a place a credit card order using my old
zutrasoft inc. company. :-D
> (last time they refused)
>
> Fingers x'd!!!
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:08 PM Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>> Sadly McMaster Carr will not entertain any Canadian Customers unless they
are a large commercial account.
>>
>> My hinges are worn and require replacement or reaming/fitting larger pins
(a common issue for all us flyers). Std 3/32" 3087 welding rod would be a t
errific idea for all new builders - to replace the factory-loose pins in std
aviation extruded hinge material, and prevent/reduce this wear issue. Sadl
y, once worn, 3/32" will no longer fix a worn hinge problem.
>>
>> Thus I am looking for a unicorn size 2.5mm (0.098") stainless (308/316 et
c) close tolerance rod.
>>
>> The only place I've found it is of course Mcmaster Carr - who will not ta
ke my order. Is there a kind USA-based Europa-ite willing to order for me an
d re-post to me up here in Ottawa, ON, Canada K2S1L1?
>>
>> the item in question which may also be helpful for other builders/flyers:
>> https://www.mcmaster.com/rods/diameter~2-5mm/
>> "Combine these general purpose drive shafts with gears, sprockets, and be
arings to transmit rotary motion. All are precision ground to meet tight dia
meter and straightness tolerances.
>>
>> Stainless steel shafts are more corrosion resistant than steel shafts but
also more difficult to machine. 316 stainless steel shafts have excellent c
orrosion resistance.
>>
>> Shafts with chamfered edges have their edges ground to reduce damage to b
earings, housings, and other components during installation.
>>
>> 3D CAD models availableFor technical drawings and 3-D models, click on a p
art number.
>> Lg. Lg. Tolerance Straightness
>> Tolerance Edge Type Hardness
>> Rating Hardness Yield
>> Metric=94316 Stainless Steel
>> 2.5mm Dia. (Tolerance: -0.005mm to 0mm)
>> 200mm -0.25mm to 0.25mm Not Rated Chamfered Medium Rockwell B83 42,000 12
65K24 $15.67"
>>
>> Many thanks!
>> PeteZ
>> C-GNPZ
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favour (McMaster Carr)
Indeed I won't be surprised if the new rods to fit snugly into the pounded
out holes... that would be "too easy" lol (but not ideal as they will
pound out again sooner de to uneven seating/support)
In case they are too tight, I have also sourced a 0.098" reamer locally
(equates to a #40 drill size).
Finger's x'd that this works, as the hinges on the aileron and anit-servo
tabs are glassed in on one side :-(
Cheers,
PeteZ
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 3:08 PM Dpc <dpc@knightonweb.com> wrote:
> Pete
>
> Glad you managed to source what you needed from the US. Can I ask how you
> are planning to ream out the hinges to take this new, larger pin, or are
> the hinges sufficiently worn that a 2.5mm pin will just slide in anyway?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> GBWJH
>
> On 24 Oct 2022, at 18:16, Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> update: just now I did manage to a place a credit card order using my ol
d
> zutrasoft inc. company. :-D
> (last time they refused)
>
> Fingers x'd!!!
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:08 PM Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Sadly McMaster Carr will not entertain any Canadian Customers unless the
y
>> are a large commercial account.
>>
>> My hinges are worn and require replacement or reaming/fitting larger pin
s
>> (a common issue for all us flyers). Std 3/32" 3087 welding rod would be
a
>> terrific idea for all new builders - to replace the factory-loose pins i
n
>> std aviation extruded hinge material, and prevent/reduce this wear issu
e.
>> Sadly, once worn, 3/32" will no longer fix a worn hinge problem.
>>
>> Thus I am looking for a unicorn size 2.5mm (0.098") stainless (308/316
>> etc) close tolerance rod.
>>
>> The only place I've found it is of course Mcmaster Carr - who will not
>> take my order. Is there a kind USA-based Europa-ite willing to order for
me
>> and re-post to me up here in Ottawa, ON, Canada K2S1L1?
>>
>> the item in question which may also be helpful for other builders/flyers
:
>> https://www.mcmaster.com/rods/diameter~2-5mm/
>> "Combine these general purpose drive shafts with gears, sprockets, and
>> bearings to transmit rotary motion. All are precision ground to meet tig
ht
>> diameter and straightness tolerances.
>>
>> Stainless steel shafts are more corrosion resistant than steel shafts bu
t
>> also more difficult to machine. 316 stainless steel shafts have excellen
t
>> corrosion resistance.
>>
>> Shafts with chamfered edges have their edges ground to reduce damage to
>> bearings, housings, and other components during installation.
>>
>> 3D CAD models availableFor technical drawings and 3-D models, click on a
>> part number.
>> Lg. Lg. Tolerance Straightness
>> Tolerance Edge Type Hardness
>> Rating Hardness Yield
>> Metric=94316 Stainless Steel
>> 2.5mm Dia. (Tolerance: -0.005mm to 0mm)
>> 200mm -0.25mm to 0.25mm Not Rated Chamfered Medium Rockwell B83 42,000
>> 1265K24 $15.67"
>>
>> Many thanks!
>> PeteZ
>> C-GNPZ
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Delta Juliet |
Bud, Many thanks for the comments. All best, David
On 2022-10-24 21:54, Bud Yerly wrote:
> On behalf of most of us geriatric Americans. We too feel your
> disappointment and recognize our medical limitations on fighting to fly
> in our regulated flight systems.
>
> You have a lovely aircraft from the pictures I've seen and I can only
> hope DJ will continue her travels and adventures and be as well loved
> and cared for by its new owner as you have shown it.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bud Yerly
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of
> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:49 PM
> To: europa list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Delta Juliet
>
> Medical issues leave me facing the loss of my class 2 medical and with
> it the ability to tour abroad - which is what has provided my main
> flying pleasure. So sadly I shall be parting with Delta Juliet. It is
> one of the most widely travelled Europas and at the same time one of
> the most lavishly equipped whilst being one of the lighter 914/wobbly
> prop/monos flying. Amongst other things: Garmin G3X touch / G5 / Twin
> channel nav com radio with ILS & twin VOR / ADSB in and out / Garmin
> three axis autopilot / Beringer wheel and brake / low hours 914 /
> Woodcomp SR3000 N/W high twist prop / covered trailer. I shall be
> prepared to part with it to a good home for a modest price. I am in the
> US until 10 November but as soon as I am home I will be happy to send
> full documentation on to anyone interested and happy to arrange a trial
> flight.
>
> David Joyce, GXSDJ
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