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1. 06:11 AM - Re: What did you do with you Europa this week - 27/10/22 (Paul M 383)
2. 06:38 AM - size of aircraft data plate (Rowland Carson)
3. 09:02 AM - Re: size of aircraft data plate (Kelvin Weston)
4. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: size of aircraft data plate (Rowland Carson)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: size of aircraft data plate (Paul Mansfield)
6. 09:51 AM - Re: size of aircraft data plate (David Glauser)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: size of aircraft data plate (Alan Twigg)
8. 01:50 PM - Re: size of aircraft data plate (Rowland Carson)
9. 02:03 PM - Re: What did you do with you Europa this week - 27/10/22 (n7188u)
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you Europa this week - 27/10/22 |
Area-51 wrote:
> Completed the CAD model of the instrument panel this morning ... feels good to
finally have it done n dusted!
If youre not planning on fitting the fuel sight gauge (or are planning to fit it
between the seats, as many of us have done) you can fill in that part of the
panel to make more useful space
HTH,
Paul
G-PLPM
XS Mono 912ULS
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| Subject: | size of aircraft data plate |
Ive been trying to find if there is a minimum size for the aircraft data plate
mentioned (almost as an aside) in CAA CAP523. Ive had a poke around the ANO but
cannot see anything relevant.
Does anyone know if there is requirement for the data plate (or the writing upon
it) to be any particular size? Obviously I dont want to fit anything bigger,
heavier or more expensive than really necessary!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: size of aircraft data plate |
Hi Rowland
Here is an old link to the Data Plate offered by the LAA:
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/aircraft_id_plate.html
Not sure if they are still available but it may give an idea of size.
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Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
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| Subject: | Re: size of aircraft data plate |
Kelvin - there doesnt seem to be a link to that page on the LAA website any more;
I am not sure what would happen if one tried to order. Id been aware of it
for some time. The original version showed a calendar date for PtF issued (not
permit to test) which meant the aircraft would have had to have a temporary data
plate during the test period, as the permit issue date would not yet be known!
Anyway the dimensions there are a useful guide to what seems to be acceptable.
in friendship
Rowland
> On 2022-10-28, at 17:02, Kelvin Weston <kelv@kdweston.biz> wrote:
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> Hi Rowland
>
> Here is an old link to the Data Plate offered by the LAA:
>
> http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/aircraft_id_plate.html
>
> Not sure if they are still available but it may give an idea of size.
>
> --------
> Regards
>
> Kelv Weston
> Kit 497
> kelv@kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | size of aircraft data plate |
Hello Rowland,
The ANO 2016 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/contents/made) Schedule 4 Part 2 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/schedule/4/part/2/made) has exactly the same text as CAP 523 ("The nationality and registration marks must also be inscribed on a fire-proof metal plate affixed in a prominent position...") except the CAP quotes ANO 2000 ... only 16 years out of date [rolls eyes].
The only other reference I found is in LAA TL 2.11 (http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/technical_leaflets.html) which states (page 2) "Another vital and indeed legally required item is a fireproof metal plate (usually stainless steel) engraved or stamped with the aircraft nationality and registration marks, e.g. G-ALAA. The Air Navigation Order (ANO) states that this plate is to be "affixed in a prominent position on the fuselage". We interpret this to mean it could be positioned inside or outside the aircraft, preferably in or near the cockpit, as long as it is easily found when looked for. The ANO used to require also the name and address of the registered owner to be included on the plate. A change in the ANO has dispensed with that requirement, which now means that the plate does not need changing with every change of ownership. Suitable plates are available from the LAA, see paragraph 4 of this Technical Leaflet."
Which is a long and convoluted way of saying your guess is as good as ours (although
why the description of what is *not* required?!)
NB The LAA-supplied plates (if still available) contain more info than is required
- no name and address required - so I made mine out of 2 or 3mm SS ~40 x 100mm
(1.5" x 4" if you're reading in black and white) and affixed (rivetted) it
to the baggage bay rear bulkhead, TDC just above the D panel.
HTH,
Paul M
G-PLPM
XS Mono 912ULS
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Subject: Europa-List: size of aircraft data plate
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I've been trying to find if there is a minimum size for the aircraft data plate
mentioned (almost as an aside) in CAA CAP523. I've had a poke around the ANO
but cannot see anything relevant.
Does anyone know if there is requirement for the data plate (or the writing upon
it) to be any particular size? Obviously I don't want to fit anything bigger,
heavier or more expensive than really necessary!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: size of aircraft data plate |
Aircraft Spruce sells what they purport to be a data plate for experimental
LSA aircraft.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/dataplate09-04683.php
dg
On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 9:39 AM Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com>
wrote:
m
> >
>
> Hello Rowland,
>
> The ANO 2016 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/contents/made)
> Schedule 4 Part 2 (
> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/schedule/4/part/2/made) has
> exactly the same text as CAP 523 ("The nationality and registration marks
> must also be inscribed on a fire-proof metal plate affixed in a prominent
> position...") except the CAP quotes ANO 2000 ... only 16 years out of dat
e
> [rolls eyes].
>
> The only other reference I found is in LAA TL 2.11 (
> http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/technical_leaflets.
html)
> which states (page 2) "Another vital and indeed legally required item is
a
> fireproof metal plate (usually stainless steel) engraved or stamped with
> the aircraft nationality and registration marks, e.g. G-ALAA. The Air
> Navigation Order (ANO) states that this plate is to be "affixed in a
> prominent position on the fuselage". We interpret this to mean it could b
e
> positioned inside or outside the aircraft, preferably in or near the
> cockpit, as long as it is easily found when looked for. The ANO used to
> require also the name and address of the registered owner to be included
on
> the plate. A change in the ANO has dispensed with that requirement, which
> now means that the plate does not need changing with every change of
> ownership. Suitable plates are available from the LAA, see paragraph 4 of
> this Technical Leaflet."
>
> Which is a long and convoluted way of saying your guess is as good as our
s
> (although why the description of what is *not* required?!)
>
> NB The LAA-supplied plates (if still available) contain more info than is
> required - no name and address required - so I made mine out of 2 or 3 mm
> SS ~40 x 100 mm (1.5" x 4" if you're reading in black and white) and
> affixed (rivetted) it to the baggage bay rear bulkhead, TDC just above th
e
> D panel.
>
> HTH,
>
> Paul M
> G-PLPM
> XS Mono 912ULS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
> Sent: 28 October 2022 14:38
> To: Europa e-mail list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: size of aircraft data plate
>
> --> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
>
> I've been trying to find if there is a minimum size for the aircraft data
> plate mentioned (almost as an aside) in CAA CAP523. I've had a poke aroun
d
> the ANO but cannot see anything relevant.
>
> Does anyone know if there is requirement for the data plate (or the
> writing upon it) to be any particular size? Obviously I don't want to fit
> anything bigger, heavier or more expensive than really necessary!
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
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| Subject: | Re: size of aircraft data plate |
LAA discontinued the plate
Alan
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> On 28 Oct 2022, at 17:36, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kelvin - there doesnt seem to be a link to that page on the LAA website any more;
I am not sure what would happen if one tried to order. Id been aware of it
for some time. The original version showed a calendar date for PtF issued (not
permit to test) which meant the aircraft would have had to have a temporary
data plate during the test period, as the permit issue date would not yet be
known!
>
> Anyway the dimensions there are a useful guide to what seems to be acceptable.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>> On 2022-10-28, at 17:02, Kelvin Weston <kelv@kdweston.biz> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Rowland
>>
>> Here is an old link to the Data Plate offered by the LAA:
>>
>> http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/aircraft_id_plate.html
>>
>> Not sure if they are still available but it may give an idea of size.
>>
>> --------
>> Regards
>>
>> Kelv Weston
>> Kit 497
>> kelv@kdweston.biz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508177#508177
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| Subject: | Re: size of aircraft data plate |
On 2022-10-28, at 17:50, David Glauser <dglauser@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aircraft Spruce sells what they purport to be a data plate for
experimental LSA aircraft.
> https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/dataplate09-04683.php
<https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/dataplate09-04683.php>
David - thanks for the link. I note that Aircraft Spruce quote their
data plate as made from 1/2-inch thick material!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you Europa this week - 27/10/22 |
Great idea Paul! Too bad I already built my panel.
Chris
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