---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/08/22: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:06 AM - Re: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz (Dpc) 2. 08:29 AM - Re: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz (Rowland Carson) 3. 09:31 AM - Re: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz (Dpc) 4. 09:38 AM - Re: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz (Alan Burrill) 5. 11:13 AM - Re: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz (D McFadyean) 6. 06:39 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week - 08/11/22 (Area-51) 7. 10:42 PM - Re: What did you do with your Europa this week - 08/11/22 (Brian Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:57 AM PST US From: Dpc Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz Thanks, Rowland. Unfortunately my Mac is an older one that doesnt have the M1/2 chip and I dont have a PC, but youre right that this would work for file transfer. When you use your GPSmap 296 to fly a route with the Trutrak, can you easily override or cancel that route and choose a different track, but yet continue to use the 296 to provide GPS location/track info to the Trutrak? Reprogramming the 296 in flight with a temporary new track, would seem fiddly compared to just punching in a new track number to the Trutrak box? David > On 7 Nov 2022, at 23:20, Rowland Carson wrote: > > >> On 2022-11-07, at 22:29, Dpc wrote: >> >> I dont think there is yet an easy way to take a route from SD on an iPad and then load it into a Garmin handheld device. > > > David - I agree with your conclusion, that there is no way to get GPS routes from an iPad to a Garmin handheld. > > There may be another possibility for you. My setup (not yet tested in flight!) is also a TruTrak wing leveller, driven from a Garmin GPSmap 296. I run the SkyDemon app on my Mac Mini with an M1 chip, which allows me to install and run (some) iPad apps. I can plan a route on the Mac and export a GPS file (.GPX) from SkyDemon, and then transfer it to the 296 using the LoadMyTracks app and a USB-serial adaptor. If youre not a Mac person, I understand that there is a SkyDemon app for Windows but know nothing about it. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz On 2022-11-08, at 09:06, Dpc wrote: > Unfortunately my Mac is an older one that doesnt have the M1/2 chip and I dont have a PC, but youre right that this would work for file transfer. > > When you use your GPSmap 296 to fly a route with the Trutrak, can you easily override or cancel that route and choose a different track, but yet continue to use the 296 to provide GPS location/track info to the Trutrak? Reprogramming the 296 in flight with a temporary new track, would seem fiddly compared to just punching in a new track number to the Trutrak box? David - as I said, my aircraft is not yet flying so I cant answer that properly, but I think your assumption is probably right. I have flown pre-programmed tracks with the Garmin GPSmap296 in C150s etc (but obviously not coupled to an autopilot!). I try not to fiddle with tracks on the GPS in the air but revert to the chart if I have to divert from the plan. Ive had another thought - I think you should be able to save a SkyDemon GPX file to iCloud on the iPad (Files app) and then pull it off iCloud onto your Mac for transfer. Still need the USB-serial cable and LoadMyTracks. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:58 AM PST US From: Dpc Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz Thanks, Rowland. Ill investigate that route to save and download a gpx file. > On 8 Nov 2022, at 16:32, Rowland Carson wrote: > > >> On 2022-11-08, at 09:06, Dpc wrote: >> >> Unfortunately my Mac is an older one that doesnt have the M1/2 chip and I dont have a PC, but youre right that this would work for file transfer. >> >> When you use your GPSmap 296 to fly a route with the Trutrak, can you easily override or cancel that route and choose a different track, but yet continue to use the 296 to provide GPS location/track info to the Trutrak? Reprogramming the 296 in flight with a temporary new track, would seem fiddly compared to just punching in a new track number to the Trutrak box? > > > David - as I said, my aircraft is not yet flying so I cant answer that properly, but I think your assumption is probably right. I have flown pre-programmed tracks with the Garmin GPSmap296 in C150s etc (but obviously not coupled to an autopilot!). I try not to fiddle with tracks on the GPS in the air but revert to the chart if I have to divert from the plan. > > Ive had another thought - I think you should be able to save a SkyDemon GPX file to iCloud on the iPad (Files app) and then pull it off iCloud onto your Mac for transfer. Still need the USB-serial cable and LoadMyTracks. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:57 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz I think I can help on this one and having flown with mine connected to the Garmin 796 then I do the following. I plan on a Tablet, RunwayHD, and get my Wx, NOTAM etc sorted. I don =99t transfer anything direct o the 796. I could use the Garmin Pilot app but, I don=99t have an active subscription, then you can do it through bluetooth but the 196 and 295 models don=99t have that. I manually enter the plan into the 796, fairly easy to do as its touch screen etc and i have the CAA chart option on mine so its displays wither the Jepp Chart or the CAA Chart for the UK. to Engage the Trutrack, apply power and display lights up with words OFF on the display. There are three controls on/off and the a left =86=B6 and right=86=B7 arrows. Push the On/Off button and the trutrackk engages and tracks the current with the display changing to the magnetic track, say 270. The display willl then alternate flashing the track digits and then -F- meaning is has a track from the GPS. To engage push the two arrows simultaneous and the trutrack will then turn the aircraft to engage the gps track and maintain. If you want to disengage the GPS track, push one of the arrows and it will then display the current magnetic track and maintain that. To alter that by using the left or right arrows to step to turn left or right onto new track, say 260, to avoid something, and then if you want to re-engage and the -F- symbol is alternating the the display push two arrows simultaneously and the trutrac will then turn the aircraft to re-engage the GPS track. It plans to join a track at about 30deg. If you want to disengage the trutrack altogether then push the on/off button or, if you have wired it, the alternate button you can connect though the rear connector wiring - most people have this on the control column for rapid disengage. then you are bak to manually flying with no input drive from the APP servos. That=99s best description I can do on email but if Wx and runway conditions allow this then could easily demonstrate in a flight. Alan > On 8 Nov 2022, at 16:28, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > On 2022-11-08, at 09:06, Dpc wrote: > >> Unfortunately my Mac is an older one that doesn=99t have the M1/2 chip and I don=99t have a PC, but you=99re right that this would work for file transfer. >> >> When you use your GPSmap 296 to fly a route with the Trutrak, can you easily =98override=99 or cancel that route and choose a different track, but yet continue to use the 296 to provide GPS location/track info to the Trutrak? Reprogramming the 296 in flight with a temporary new track, would seem fiddly compared to just punching in a new track number to the Trutrak box? > > > David - as I said, my aircraft is not yet flying so I can=99t answer that properly, but I think your assumption is probably right. I have flown pre-programmed tracks with the Garmin GPSmap296 in C150s etc (but obviously not coupled to an autopilot!). I try not to fiddle with tracks on the GPS in the air but revert to the chart if I have to divert from the plan. > > I=99ve had another thought - I think you should be able to save a SkyDemon GPX file to iCloud on the iPad (Files app) and then pull it off iCloud onto your Mac for transfer. Still need the USB-serial cable and LoadMyTracks. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:19 AM PST US From: D McFadyean Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trutrak AP with Garmin GPS 18x 5Hz The TruTrak will fly a track slaved from a 296. But it won't fly routes very well, because the turns will be overshot. Eventually it will get back on to the track of the selected route, by which time airspace may have been bust! The older Skymap referred to in the OP should also work with the TruTrak and has pre-emptive steering (i.e. it has an algorithm that anticipates the turn to better maintain a route, on the later Bendix Kings this was adjustable in the settings) so should be better suited to following a route. I found that other non-aviation Garmin GPSs (e.g. eTrex) also worked for basic guidance, so long as it had the NMEA output. Duncan McF. > On 08 November 2022 at 16:28 Rowland Carson wrote: > > > > On 2022-11-08, at 09:06, Dpc wrote: > > > Unfortunately my Mac is an older one that doesnt have the M1/2 chip and I dont have a PC, but youre right that this would work for file transfer. > > > > When you use your GPSmap 296 to fly a route with the Trutrak, can you easily override or cancel that route and choose a different track, but yet continue to use the 296 to provide GPS location/track info to the Trutrak? Reprogramming the 296 in flight with a temporary new track, would seem fiddly compared to just punching in a new track number to the Trutrak box? > > > David - as I said, my aircraft is not yet flying so I cant answer that properly, but I think your assumption is probably right. I have flown pre-programmed tracks with the Garmin GPSmap296 in C150s etc (but obviously not coupled to an autopilot!). I try not to fiddle with tracks on the GPS in the air but revert to the chart if I have to divert from the plan. > > Ive had another thought - I think you should be able to save a SkyDemon GPX file to iCloud on the iPad (Files app) and then pull it off iCloud onto your Mac for transfer. Still need the USB-serial cable and LoadMyTracks. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week - 08/11/22 From: "Area-51" Very exciting and intense sessions at the design table all week... finished off modelling the instrument panel and interior cabin environment; adding takeoffs for fixings and control lever slots... the sticks and pedals are in along with the spaceframe... next up are the doors... the Rotax 912, 914, and 915 are all sitting there waiting to be popped in when the time comes... will move onto the rear section shortly to add the control surface mechanicals... its hours and hours of arduous and rewarding work.... learning a lot about the aircraft through the process. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508544#508544 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a6834e31_4b2a_4ca7_b8e0_a0238a65a4cd_200.jpeg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week - 08/11/22 From: Brian Phillips Hi Area 51, I see you mention a 915, I'm wondering if you have any data on a 915 in a Europa, I would love to hear about it, as I am at engine decision point and have assumed it would be too heavy up front to stay within W&B and safe operating loads. Cheers, Brian Phillips. On 9/11/2022 1:38 pm, Area-51 wrote: > > Very exciting and intense sessions at the design table all week... finished off modelling the instrument panel and interior cabin environment; adding takeoffs for fixings and control lever slots... the sticks and pedals are in along with the spaceframe... next up are the doors... the Rotax 912, 914, and 915 are all sitting there waiting to be popped in when the time comes... will move onto the rear section shortly to add the control surface mechanicals... its hours and hours of arduous and rewarding work.... learning a lot about the aircraft through the process. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=508544#508544 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a6834e31_4b2a_4ca7_b8e0_a0238a65a4cd_200.jpeg > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.