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1. 12:34 AM - What did you do with your europa this week - 12/12/22 (Area-51)
2. 02:06 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/08/22 (Karel Vranken)
3. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/08/22 (D McFadyean)
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| Subject: | What did you do with your europa this week - 12/12/22 |
Did what is supposed to be done with a europa; got in it and flew the thing...
flew it three days out of seven and enjoyed every minute of the near perfect conditions
this week for a fly up and down the coast and around the caldera.
Also was fortunate enough to get a ride in another well built europa that turned
up while drinking a cup of tea, and enjoyed that too!
What's next??? .... Fly it again!!!
Such joy...
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/08/22 |
Concerning Door Warping, I performed a solution (2004) after seeing a
similar arrangement from Ted Gladstone I suppose. Note also the strap
solution after reinforcement of the door sill.
Karel Vranken.
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> 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (SHERIDAN Roger)
> 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (Pete)
> 3. 07:35 AM - Re: N460HJ flies again (n7188u)
> 4. 07:55 AM - Re: Anti Door Warping (n7188u)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: Anti Door Warping (Area-51)
> 6. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (Alan Burrill)
> 7. 01:31 PM - Re: Anti Door Warping (rparigoris)
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> From: SHERIDAN Roger <RSheridan@specialist-aviation.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
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> Time: 06:39:45 AM PST US
> From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
>
> Overcenter cam..no friction. :)
>
> > On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:38 AM, SHERIDAN Roger
> <RSheridan@specialist-aviation.
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> > =EF=BBThanks for that suggestion A51.
> >
> > My passive pin attempt had too much friction but the roller idea is a
> grea
> t one that I might try.
> >
> > Alan, Dirk Oyen uses a passive support strut:
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> > Roger Sheridan
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> >> On 8 Dec 2022, at 06:59, Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Hi Ron, thanks for your request regarding door warping... to be
> straight u
> p its not an issue i have time to sit and examine; my time is constantly
> tru
> ly limited.
> >>
> >> The CAD testing calls for a non dynamic testing algorithm which will
> not b
> e accurate enough to be useful to anybody due to so many variables; and
> that
> is the b&w of what you are asking.
> >>
> >> Cardboard is your best friend (and a pencil and some basic map charting
> t
> ools) ; draw your solution and proof it on paper first using a pencil and
> ci
> rcles; i think thats how your passive pin system works? (See attached
> basic s
> ketch)... its going to be a solution of two arcs; the swing of the door
> fram
> e and shape of the pin and its parking gate. If you can get it to work
> with p
> aper stencils then it will work in situ. CAD will not provide you any
> better
> result or magic solution. All CAD will provide you is the ability to
> record
> and replicate; that's the only magic CAD will ever provide anybody.
> Persona
> lly from my quick sketch i don't think it is a practical solution but more
> o
> f a band aid for a greater upstream affect; i could be totally wrong and
> oft
> en am.
> >>
> >> The issue is not really safety related, which is my focus. It does hold
> s
> ome aerodynamic qualities there, and the simple solution "is" strengthen
> the
> door frame sufficiently at the time of production.
> >>
> >>
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> >> Read this topic online here:
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> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509463#509463
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> Time: 07:35:07 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: N460HJ flies again
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
>
>
> Great news Will. Let us know how your new tank performs.
> Chris
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509467#509467
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> Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
>
>
> Interesting thread.
>
> My LongEZ has a simple scissor type with over-center locking bar to keep
> the canopy
> open. In the LEZ case the latch only moves 90 were in ours it needs to go
> 180 but it should not be too hard to modify.
>
> Simple and works well. The canopy doesn't slam down on your head as it
> happens
> on my EU once in awhile (I actually taxy with the door partially closed
> held open
> with a small foam block).
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509469#509469
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> ________________________________ Message 5
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> Time: 01:05:29 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
>
>
> The best and simplest solution ever for this type of hatch can be found on
> the
> rear window of the Hillman Imp produced by Rootes Group Scotland
> 1961-1976; had
> a few for 25 years and never had a failure.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509474#509474
>
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> ________________________________ Message 6
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> Time: 01:25:11 PM PST US
> From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
>
>
> > On 8 Dec 2022, at 21:04, Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
> >
> > The best and simplest solution ever for this type of hatch can be
> found on the rear window of the Hillman Imp produced by Rootes Group
> Scotland 1961-1976; had a few for 25 years and never had a failure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509474#509474
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 7
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> Time: 01:31:32 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Group
> Nev's solution with passive pins and CF reinforcement works great. I made
> cardboard
> mock up and was able to get geometry spot on. Had packaging tape on fuse
> and used JB KWIK Weld to temporarily hold in exact position. Then once
> bonded
> in perfect position and all is working great we then drilled fuse for
> screws.
> If alignment is not spot on friction is high and it doesn't work.
> It's hard to get your head around the geometry, but once you do, it works
> great.
> We did install over a decade ago and all is well. The pin and striker are
> made
> out of SS.
> My build partner Wayne was not convinced with my cardboard mock up. He
> called it
> a muck up! It took him till after completion of pins and striker install
> and
> actual fooling with to be convinced.
> Ron P.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509476#509476
>
>
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Got any dimensioned drawings for the door support? Presuming that you've used standard
gas struts.
Duncan McF.
> On 09 December 2022 at 10:05 Karel Vranken <karelvranken9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Concerning Door Warping, I performed a solution (2004) after seeing a similar
arrangement from Ted Gladstone I suppose. Note also the strap solution after
reinforcement of the door sill.
> Karel Vranken.
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> > 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (SHERIDAN Roger)
> > 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (Pete)
> > 3. 07:35 AM - Re: N460HJ flies again (n7188u)
> > 4. 07:55 AM - Re: Anti Door Warping (n7188u)
> > 5. 01:05 PM - Re: Anti Door Warping (Area-51)
> > 6. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Anti Door Warping (Alan Burrill)
> > 7. 01:31 PM - Re: Anti Door Warping (rparigoris)
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> > Time: 06:39:45 AM PST US
> > From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com >
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> >
> > Overcenter cam..no friction. :)
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:38 AM, SHERIDAN Roger <RSheridan@specialist-aviation.
> > com> wrote:
> > >
> > > =EF=BBThanks for that suggestion A51.
> > >
> > > My passive pin attempt had too much friction but the roller idea
is a grea
> > t one that I might try.
> > >
> > > Alan, Dirk Oyen uses a passive support strut:
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >> Hi Ron, thanks for your request regarding door warping... to be
straight u
> > p its not an issue i have time to sit and examine; my time is constantly
tru
> > ly limited.
> > >>
> > >> The CAD testing calls for a non dynamic testing algorithm which
will not b
> > e accurate enough to be useful to anybody due to so many variables;
and that
> > is the b&w of what you are asking.
> > >>
> > >> Cardboard is your best friend (and a pencil and some basic map charting
t
> > ools) ; draw your solution and proof it on paper first using a pencil
and ci
> > rcles; i think thats how your passive pin system works? (See attached
basic s
> > ketch)... its going to be a solution of two arcs; the swing of the
door fram
> > e and shape of the pin and its parking gate. If you can get it to work
with p
> > aper stencils then it will work in situ. CAD will not provide you any
better
> > result or magic solution. All CAD will provide you is the ability
to record
> > and replicate; that's the only magic CAD will ever provide anybody.
Persona
> > lly from my quick sketch i don't think it is a practical solution but
more o
> > f a band aid for a greater upstream affect; i could be totally wrong
and oft
> > en am.
> > >>
> > >> The issue is not really safety related, which is my focus. It does
hold s
> > ome aerodynamic qualities there, and the simple solution "is" strengthen
the
> > door frame sufficiently at the time of production.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509463#509463
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:35:07 AM PST US
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: N460HJ flies again
> > From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com mailto:chmgarb@gmail.com >
> >
> >
> > Great news Will. Let us know how your new tank performs.
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509467#509467
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> > From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com mailto:chmgarb@gmail.com >
> >
> >
> > Interesting thread.
> >
> > My LongEZ has a simple scissor type with over-center locking bar to
keep the canopy
> > open. In the LEZ case the latch only moves 90 were in ours it needs
to go
> > 180 but it should not be too hard to modify.
> >
> > Simple and works well. The canopy doesn't slam down on your head as
it happens
> > on my EU once in awhile (I actually taxy with the door partially closed
held open
> > with a small foam block).
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509469#509469
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
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> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 01:05:29 PM PST US
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> > From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com mailto:goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com >
> >
> >
> > The best and simplest solution ever for this type of hatch can be found
on the
> > rear window of the Hillman Imp produced by Rootes Group Scotland 1961-1976;
had
> > a few for 25 years and never had a failure.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509474#509474
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 01:25:11 PM PST US
> > From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk mailto:alanb@dpy01.co.uk >
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Dec 2022, at 21:04, Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com mailto:goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com >
> > wrote:
> > <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com mailto:goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com >
> > >
> > > The best and simplest solution ever for this type of hatch can be
> > found on the rear window of the Hillman Imp produced by Rootes Group
> > Scotland 1961-1976; had a few for 25 years and never had a failure.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509474#509474
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 01:31:32 PM PST US
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anti Door Warping
> > From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@hotmail.com mailto:rparigor@hotmail.com >
> >
> >
> > Hi Group
> > Nev's solution with passive pins and CF reinforcement works great.
I made cardboard
> > mock up and was able to get geometry spot on. Had packaging tape on
fuse
> > and used JB KWIK Weld to temporarily hold in exact position. Then once
bonded
> > in perfect position and all is working great we then drilled fuse for
screws.
> > If alignment is not spot on friction is high and it doesn't work.
> > It's hard to get your head around the geometry, but once you do, it
works great.
> > We did install over a decade ago and all is well. The pin and striker
are made
> > out of SS.
> > My build partner Wayne was not convinced with my cardboard mock up.
He called it
> > a muck up! It took him till after completion of pins and striker install
and
> > actual fooling with to be convinced.
> > Ron P.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509476#509476
> >
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