Europa-List Digest Archive

Wed 12/28/22


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 03:52 AM - Re: Tuning For Speed - Phil Irving - Pdf download (D McFadyean)
     2. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: What did you do with your europa this week - 22/12/22 (D McFadyean)
     3. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week - 22/12/22 (Bud Yerly)
     4. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week - 22/12/22 (Pete Zut)
     5. 02:21 PM - Why does my 914 TCU require constant adjusting??? (Area-51)
     6. 03:43 PM - Why does my 914 TCU require constant adjusting?? (Area-51)
     7. 04:01 PM - Why is my 914 loosing boost pressure?? (Area-51)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:52:31 AM PST US
    From: D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Tuning For Speed - Phil Irving - Pdf download
    Dunno, but my copy looks like this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155317810248?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=7101533165274578&mkcid=2&itemid=155317810248&targetid=4584826055637460&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=412354546&mkgroupid=1299623041023876&rlsatarget=pla-4584826055637460&abcId=9300541&merchantid=87779&msclkid=dd546f4ae86a190a48ab0ce6c522da30 It's all about motorcycles. Duncan McF. > On 27 December 2022 at 22:11 alfuller194@gmail.com wrote: > > > > When clicking on the link it takes one to tuning for motorcycle engines. > Having deleted the prior emails, I don't remember whether the book > previously discussed was aimed at motorcycles. Can anyone remind me whether > this is the same book? > > Thanks in advance. > > ---------------- > All the best, > > Al Fuller > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Area-51 > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 9:15 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Tuning For Speed - Phil Irving - Pdf download > > --> <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> > > https://pdfcoffee.com/tuning-for-speed-p-e-irving-1965-tuning-racing-motorcy > cle-engines-2-pdf-free.html > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509809#509809 > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:16:08 AM PST US
    From: D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your europa this week - 22/12/22
    Depends on numerous variables including the prevailing friction level in th e gearbox. With the original Warp Drive mine had a zone of "unhappiness" centred aroun d 4400rpm, so that band was always avoided. Later with an Arplast Ecoprop ( fixed pitch, about the same or greater inertia as the WD) that disappeared. Ditto with a still later and so much smoother E-Props (fixed pitch). But t he earlier "unhappiness" might alternately have been blade resonance, or li ght detonation?? With a recently installed new engine (and the E-Props), 5000rpm has become the "happiest" band; but still exploring. Duncan McF "...in feet up and having a beer" mode. All subjective. On 27 December 2022 at 21:25 James <james@kingdom.ie> wrote: > Pete, > My 914 swings an Airmaster CS prop. Do you know what rpm setting(s) I should avoid? > > Thanks > James > > Sent from Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg > > --------------------------------------------- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-serve r@matronics.com> on behalf of Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:06:08 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your europa this w eek - 22/12/22 > > > .And/or use an extremely light prop like the e-prop CS, and keep the revs out of the resonance bands. > > :-) > > PeteZ > > > On Dec 27, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com > wrote: > > mail.com> > > > > Thanks Peter great explanation there; and yes donuts are great but when they break and when they do everything shakes to pieces real fast. So in an aircraft not a great idea for prop drive; it would require some varia nt which i will try out when a dead gearbox gets donated. > > > > The ultimate solution to this rotax component wear issue is not fly =F0=9F=98=8A > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509817#509817 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ============ ============ ============ ============ > > > >


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    Time: 08:07:59 AM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week - 22/12/22
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    From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week - 22/12/22
    fwiw, I have also gone to the EarthX - which spins up the small classic starter on the 912S like a champ - crazy high rpm, and I feed that with the BandC regulator. The ignitions were the best upgrade on my 912S (and also most cost effective) - Ignitec's remote mounted, with ATDC set for start. Smooth as silk. https://www.ignitech.cz/en/vyrobky/bikes/rotax/rotax%20912%20and%20914/rota x%20912%20and%20914.htm It's still my position that the high compression reverse torque pulses of the S are the bane of gearbox longevity, with resonance-prone heavy WD props as instrumented and demonstrated on my airframe at least. :-) Cheers, PeteZ On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:16 AM Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > Pete, > > You have every right to be upset with the 912S. > > Before about 2005 I wouldn't put one on an airplane. It was just not > ready for prime time. > > High compression, fixed ignition and a low torque starter was a bad > combination. Systems issues such as, fixed ignition, poor auto gas > choices by customers, exhaust systems that couldn't stand up to the harsh > vibration so they cracked, shifted, leaked, springs broke off and frankly > it was scary to start and shut down as it would kick back violently. It > had a harsh area around 3500 RPM that could not be tuned out. As you > found in some engines by going to a light prop, the engine seemed to be > smoother. But there is more to the story. > > > The early 912S would rather run backwards on start than forward. The > starter wouldn't even hit 300 RPM in the cold due to its low torque, spra g > clutches were destroyed ( give me a Bendix any day) and gear boxes > clattered because of bad timing and valve overlap choices (my thoughts > anyway). I wouldn't put one on a plane unless the owner insisted. > > > I could get one to idle and run smoothly but min idle was 1800. At start > when cold you had to run at 2200-2500 until warm. If you tried to tune > down to 1600 or so the one or more cylinders would actually pre-ignite du e > to the timing and shake worse than any hotrod engine as one or more > cylinder would fire well before TDC at idle. Anyone trying to start one > had to use one ignition, a fully charged battery, and new 92+ octane fuel > to have a chance of it not running backwards or encountering violent > kickback. Bearings and flanges inside supporting the crank shaft were > failing, and engine short blocks were trashed. Carbs were not balancing > well and engine shaking actually wore out the pistons in the carb bodies. > Many had to throw their carbs away and get a new matched set. > > > Upset customers began to curse their engine after having to buy new > exhausts, new ignition systems (soft start), higher torque starters, and > sometimes two new carburetors. Costing them nearly 1/3 the cost of the > original engine. Many blamed the prop mass (as did Rotax as we all know > it couldn't possibly be their Teutonic engineering) but frankly it was th e > engine. It needed work. > > > By roughly 2005 ignition and starting woes were mostly corrected, but CKT > had to make extensive changes to their exhaust systems to get a system > robust enough to hold up to the vibration, and not leak or crack. Spring s > were a problem until about 2010 when they made their own stainless spring s > on nice clean mandrels. Rotax made slight changes to the engine that > escaped most of us (Teutonic secrecy). Finally, Rotax beefed up the > bearing supports, flanges and the through bolt bosses were made larger > clearing the case cracking and the cocked bearing / high friction issues. > It still has an issue of higher vibrations due to the compression increas e > and fixed ignition though. At least the more robust block helped keep it > more reliable. > > > Today the new 912S is tolerable. But it was a long messy period. Rotax > blamed the props were too heavy, bad gas, owner servicing and running > issues in the gearbox clatter area, but frankly the engine was rushed int o > production without full testing in my opinion. > > > 912 (80HP) owners simply shrugged their shoulders at the 912S owners and > soldiered on with their engine running and operating just fine although l ow > octane and cold winter starts were tough. The Classic Europa FWF would > not accept the larger high torque starters to help them start in the cold . > However, everything was and is smoother on the low compression 80 HP > engine. Of course, it can only swing a tapered blade prop of no more > than 64 inches so most folks in the States wouldn't use it. My Canadian > friends put long tapered blade Warp Drive props on the 80 HP engine but h ad > to pitch it so low that speed was disgusting, however takeoff was OK so > small light floatplanes got by with it. > > > The early 914 had some of the same issues. By 2005 the 914 became quite > trouble free but you had to know the systems. Once you learned the > tricks and tips, it ran and still runs great. New carbs, new updated > TCU, and a high torque starter greatly aided my engine. At 500 hours I > had an overspeed (my fault) and had Lockwood open up mine and do a top > overhaul and gearbox rebuild. It still looks like a new engine inside > and meets specifications. 4 valves were impacted, and I insisted they be > changed and all of them lapped and the compressions are like new. But it > cost about $3300 to have the cylinders pulled, heads and valves cleaned u p > and the gearbox rebuilt. Not bad when compared to a Lycoming at 500 > hours. But before that I spent another $3000 over the first 10 years on > the high torque starter, new TCU, and Carbs. All well worth it. > > > As Walter Hudson (an old AI in our area (award winning builder also)) > always said "You know what keeps an airplane airborne? MONEY!" > > > If you do all the recommended and advisory stuff, like the improved > ignition, high torque starter, proper carb balance and service and proper > fuel, it keeps the engine running well. Your opinion is it was the prop, > but I believe it may have been the combination of updates and repairs to > the engine that did most of it. Change one thing at a time and then > evaluate is normal in testing but if the engine, dogs, gearbox, ignition, > and carb tune are all done at once as well as a prop change, who knows fo r > sure. A rough running engine will damage itself and its systems. My > old timers always prefer a light wood prop as it was always smoother as t he > wood absorbs vibration. Metal and carbon don't dampen the vibration as > well. Hence a static and dynamic balance is necessary with these hard > props. If the engine is still harsh, it most likely is internal issues. > > > I've never had an issue in 20 years with prop masses below 6000kg/cm on > any Rotax. I have had and seen Rotax 912S issues due to all the issues > mentioned above. Once those issues were fixed, I put the original prop > back on and behold, the engine ran smoothly. Maybe I was just lucky all > these years. > > > Never over look a bad prop blade. Many folks have brought prop vibration > issues to my attention. I=99ve found blade fatigue, unmatched blad es, > pitch slippage on ground adjustable props, and many that were not > statically balanced. A prop that is not statically balanced will not > dynamically balance. I show folks on my website what I do to statically > balance an Airmaster Warp Drive, Sensenich etc. before I mount it. One > blade off by a =C2=BC of a degree on a three blade prop puts a lot of > vibrations at your prop flange as the prop is roughly said =9Ccorks crewing=9D > itself through the air. This is frustrating for many owners so they > change props and frankly they should. > > > I'm glad you are now seeing a light at the end of the tunnel on your > engine/prop. I know my original 914 had me scratching my head also, but > now I know what I need to do on *my* engine. I added a light weight prop > to test and frankly I have no difference in engine behavior on the 914. It > just made the nose lighter. A two blade makes oil changes faster as the > cowl drops off easier on a trigear. > > > Happy Flying, > > Bud Yerly > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Pete > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:30 PM > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your europa this week - > 22/12/22 > > > > > Sounds great, but my 500hr gearbox ended up heavily wearing and pocketing > the dogs, and resonating in cruise (5000-5200rpm, & worse lightly loaded > below 5k) with my 912s & fixed pitch std europa wide Warp-drive (which i > measured at 5400 rotational mass, near the upper rotax spec btw), and > cracking my classic exhaust repeatedly (and who knows what else got beate n > up prematurely). Was never an issue in climb or full-beans cruise (needs > smooth air), with the loaded prop. > > > Result: All new dogs/gearset, much lighter CS e-prop (2300 rotational > mass), and the engine and airframe are now transformed, and no more crack ed > exhaust, and start/stops are instant with zero banging about in the dogs. > > > I hope to now get much more than the 500hrs on that previous (std europa) > problematic combo. Hoping for TBO. I attribute my issues to the high > compression 912s + heavy WD (and unkown original builder=99s ops fo r its > first 250hrs), and light loading in cruise. > > > As for dynamic balancing, i use the PB40, in flight. I found ground > dynamic balancing is pretty well useless. > > > Wish i could have had better (and less expensive) luck following your > general recommendations (which was my assumption and SOP going in). > > > FWIW, YMMV, > > Cheers, > > PeteZ > > > > On Dec 27, 2022, at 9:47 PM, budyerly@msn.com wrote: > > > > y@msn.com > > > > > > > > Pete, James and everyone else on our Matronics list, > > > > > > The pdf is attached showing some charts from the Rotax manual. > > > > > > Short Answer: > > > Personally, we are getting worked up over nothing here for most of the > Europa owners and it may bring up concern that the well maintained > engine/prop combo are causing harmonic issues. We know it is not an > issue for most of us. For those who wish to rebuild their engine, modify > existing engines, produce or use auto converted engines, these are > informational and thought-provoking conversations on gearboxes and engine s. > Let=99s face it, Eggenfeller is still modifying his gearboxes on al l his > engines (Honda and others). But for an established aircraft with > aviation engine/props that dealers recommend, these conversations are not > productive except with your feet up and having a beer. > > > > > > I agree, that geared engines do have harmonic issues if operated outsid e > the prescribed and tested manufacturers limitations. Where are those > limits? In the operator=99s manual. Fly within the prop curve lim its and > the Rotax 9 series with any reputable prop will perform properly. If an > engine manufacturer has no performance limitations, stay away from that > engine as testing is incomplete. > > > > > > There are no issues with flying the Airmaster, Whirlwind, MT, Hoffman, > Woodcomp (properly maintained), on the Rotax 9 series engines. Fixed > pitch props made by reputable companies (the non flexible kind) have no > issues either (fixed pitch Warp Drive, Whirlwind, Sensenich, Woodcomp hav e > no issues, but Kiev and some other thin flexible props are potentially a > longevity problem.) Unlike the long stroke, over bored Lycoming > 0-360/390 these engines have bore, stroke, and compression issues which d o > in fact cause unfavorable harmonics so some combinations of particular > props and engine dash numbers to have restricted operation envelopes. T he > Rotax does not. Rotax does have recommended RPM/MP settings for various > power settings and charts giving adequate information on operating > envelopes. > > > > > > Long answer for those bored or snowbound: > > > > > > As for Rotax operational limits: > > > > > > Most Europa Owners fly with the Airmaster Constant Speed propeller on > the 914 and frankly from 4000 to 5800 RPM there are no issues from 20-40 > inches of manifold pressure at a constant airspeed. In other words, > there are no engine/gearbox/prop harmonic problems which will occur but > you can lug the engine down and cause issues. Go back in the archives > and look at our conversations on engine vibration. If you have > vibration, follow those techniques to repair your prop balance, suspensio n > or carb issues. I have found that the properly carb balanced Rotax > engine with a properly static balanced prop and then a proper dynamic > balance is all we need to have a smooth running Rotax. Many get by with > a simple static balance but a dynamic balance is always a good idea. > > > > > > In flight using a portable dynamic balancer (such as a Dynavibe) has > been used in flight and found to be a better balance as the Europa bounce s > around quite a bit on a ground run making the dynamic balance results > rather chaotic. Many times, I have had to limit the RPM in the ground > dynamic balance to 4000 RPM to make it flyable. > > > > > > Back to power and RPM settings. > > > > > > > > >> From your Rotax Operators Manual: > > > For the 914: > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 912S: > > > > > > My Notes: > > > Who flies at only those power settings. Most of us, but not always. > > > You can fly a Rotax 9 series at any power setting and RPM up to 5500 > (remember the 5 minute limit above 5500) at virtually any throttle/MP > setting but listen to the engine for clues on how you are operating. > > > > > > Downwind airspeed is 4000 RPM and 20-24 inches depending on aircraft > weight trigear or mono. > > > Trigear is higher than a clean mono. That is about 25-30 Horsepower. Note > in stabilized flight the prop is loaded so the gearbox does not clatter > because the prop is pulling. You can loiter forever. > > > > > > In flight where are the gearbox rattle areas? > > > Any throttle settings (power) that allow the prop to unload to where th e > prop begins to windmill. > > > Also, any power setting or throttle above that prop line RPM in the > operations charts as you are lugging the engine, in other words the prop is > demanding more power due to excessive pitch for the manifold pressure > (throttle setting) you have set. > > > > > > First: Pull your headphones off or turn off the ANR and listen to the > engine and prop. Pete and Area 51 and many others know what I mean. Fra nkly > everyone should listen to their airplane, it will talk to you. If you > descend rapidly with no regard to the sound of the engine you are doing i t > wrong. At 140-160 KTS with about =C2=BD throttle, even with a constant s peed > prop, the prop is being turned by the airspeed windmilling the prop (RPM > increases as speed increases and decreases as speed is reduced is your > visual clue) and once you begin to slow down, you will hit an area where > the forward speed puts the prop at zero thrust, where the prop can =99t decide > whether it is windmilling or pulling. A vibration or clatter is heard or > felt. The noise of the prop changes also. Get out of that range by > pulling off more throttle or adding power and pulling the nose up to slow > down. This action of pulling off the power more to force the prop out of > the windmilling speed, or reduci! > > ng! > > > the speed and keeping the power up enough to keep the prop pulling is > common to most aircraft, even direct drive engine such as the Lycoming. > > > > > > It isn=99t that hard, but it does require listening and understan ding that > there is slop in the gears (which you should note on every preflight) hen ce > it is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that there will > be areas where if I am flying at a particular airspeed and note that the > airspeed is driving the engine RPM more than the throttle, the gearbox wi ll > rattle once the two power/airspeeds become equal, therefore one should > think ahead. Once you slow down, you need to pull the power or that 50% > throttle you have in there will go through a speed where the unloaded pro p > will almost go to a loaded prop (i.e. the engine will be driving the prop > rather than the wind or equal to it). LEARN FROM IT. > > > > > > When I and many other salesmen fly with customers, we are in tune to th e > demonstrator aircraft/engine/and prop, and we move the throttle as soon a s > we hear the prop start to windmill. Yes, you can hear it. That way the > potential customer never feels this. We=99re not lying or sprinkli ng fair > dust on the issue, we just understand and avoid the clack. Once the > buyer closes the deal, we demonstrate that area. > > > > > > Second: Regarding Heavy Props. > > > There are no REPUTABLE prop manufacturers that recommend props that DO > NOT meet the rotational inertia requirements of the engine manufacturer. There > are of course some buyers who believe that the longer the prop the faster > and insist on too large of a prop for the engine. WRONG! See my paper > on selecting the right prop for your Rotax powered aircraft. The inertia > limit for the Airmaster with the wide chord Warp Drive blades is 67-67.5 > inches. Lighter blades and hubs can be longer in blade length but the > Rotax won=99t turn it and actually the plane will slow down. At 75 inches > the Rotax powered aircraft won=99t exceed 95-100 Knots. > > > > > > Third issue: What about over pitch or lugging the engine, can I hurt > the engine? > > > Car analogy, it is like starting out in 4th gear. Can you do it, yes, > but listen to the engine lug and the clutch slip. (Your mechanic will > love you for making his car payment.) Or perhaps trying to pass in 6th > gear with the pedal to the floor without downshifting the gearbox. My > favorite is pulling a trailer where at full throttle in 4th gear it is > causing the engine and car to vibrate, knock, and rattle as it is trying to > pull the load and accelerate. > > > > > > If you fly routinely at RPMs (prop pitch settings) with manifold > pressures that are higher than the prop curve (recommended settings) you > are potentially lugging the Rotax engine. The throttle plate is open > trying to hold the RPM, the engine is running richer trying to produce th e > power needed and your plugs are fowling. Worse, is the engine may begin > detonating (aka ping) due to the fixed ignition, low fuel octane rating o r > similar issue. > > > > > > This lugging can be heard in the aircraft also. The prop at a higher > pitch than optimum for the airspeed is stalling part of the prop. You > can hear it thrashing, the engine begins to sound different. Rather than > normal, like a sewing machine, it is making a deeper hum and some minor > vibration can be felt in the calf muscles of the legs. Note that the > carbureted engines which have fixed timing, detonation is a possibility i f > operating with low octane fuel in these conditions. As an example, I > have to do this particular exercise in prop testing to check go around > capability in high-speed aircraft (Europa, Fascination and similar) where I > simulate a prop stuck in full coarse pitch and the pilot must execute a g o > around. The Rotax 9 Series will do this 4000 RPM full throttle drill > using 100LL fuel, but it sounds like the description above. Does the > engine take it, YES, does it like it, NO. > > > > > > Bottom line, the Europa has a wide speed range so we can fly in areas > where the prop may be driven rather than the engine driving the prop. Th is > can cause the gearbox to rattle. Those who have too much prop pitch for > the power setting (constant speed commanding lower RPM than the prop powe r > curve in the manual) the engine is potentially lugging and you are > wasting gas and running inefficiently at a minimum. > > > > > > As a pilot and student of aviation learn your Manifold/RPM settings > until you get experience. > > > In the 912 or 912S equipped with a fixed pitch prop, set the prop pitch > to achieve 5200 static at full throttle. Go fly with reckless abandon > without over speeding the engine in a dive. Note in a dive to pull the > throttle or slow down to keep the gearbox from rattling or over speeding. > > > > > > I do not recommend setting a fixed pitch prop to below 5000 RPM at full > throttle static any longer. Those using lower octane auto fuel may find > the engine begins to detonate in some conditions. (Note: for sales > testing our cruise numbers were done at 4000 static and full throttle to > get the top speed and 10,000 foot cruise speed numbers up. Not a good > rule with auto fuel, but we didn=99t notice detonation using 100LL. ) 5200 > at full static power precludes these detonation issues, especially with > MOGAS. > > > > > > With a Constant Speed prop and a 912 or 912S Set Climb RPM (5500) nearl y > any throttle setting will do. > > > Cruise at 5000 and above sea level just about any throttle setting won =99t > lug the engine. > > > Personally, =9CTakeoff=9D setting and full throttle for tak eoff, then once > safely airborne, simply click or set 5500 for climb at full throttle, cli mb > to altitude and click or set 5000 at full throttle and you will be fine > as I=99ve never seen a manifold pressure on the 912 series go above 26 inches > in a Europa at full throttle above sea level. It is as close to a FADEC > as one can get. Just slap the throttle up to full and click for the > phase of flight. > > > > > > The 914 power settings are not as simple but easy to remember. > > > These numbers are for efficiency and are not limitations: > > > Takeoff prop setting and full throttle (5700 RPM / 38-40=9DMP) u ntil > safely airborne. > > > Climb: Click or set 5500/34-35=9D (a 100% stop is really nice t o have) > > > Cruise Normal click or cruise at 5000/31=9D, for better milage > 4800/28-29=9D is nice and comfortable and gas milage is about 30 MP G. > > > Loiter with the prop at 4300-4500 / 22-28=9DMP. You will be airb orne > forever. But going slow. > > > Downwind to landing, set prop to Climb or Takeoff, the prop will be > stopped at the fine pitch limit, and normally you will be 4000 RPM / 20-2 2=9D > or so at 1000 MSL. > > > No issues will occur at these settings and the engine runs superbly. S etting > Manifold Pressures below the prop curve is not an issue in operating the > 912 or 914 series. > > > > > > Anytime you have a constant speed prop on a Rotax, set the fine pitch > stop to limit full power max RPM to about 5650 RPM to prevent an overspee d > due to rapid throttle advancement in an emergency go around. Set the > coarse limit stop to about 4000 for the Europa static on the ground at fu ll > power. If you have a 914 please install a 100% stop as you will reduce > the potential for overspeed or lugging on a go around or touch and goes. Should > you have a prop stuck at the coarse stop (4000 or so) the climb out at 10 0% > or 115% is quite comfortable with no issues for short term operations. T he > engine operates fine up to the 100% stop limit in the 914 and even the 91 2S > but you can tell it is lugging from the sound and vibration. > > > > > > I prefer to have my clients keep their head in the books, know the > recommended pitch and power settings for flight and the RPM/MP limits of > the 914/912S. Running cheap gas and excessive pitch can cause > detonation, avoid it. Keeping the plane light and simple increases speed > and reduces wear and tear. > > > > > > As far as changing the gearbox design, getting more power or speed by > adding components and then doing reliability testing is fine, but my > comment is changing the gearbox/fuel system/ignition may fix one thing > but it will affect many others (like weight size and complexity). Not > worth my time. For me, if the engine isn=99t broke, don=99t fix it. 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