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1. 03:05 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (Area-51)
3. 08:28 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck)
4. 09:45 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Paul Mansfield)
5. 10:46 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (dmac7)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (William Daniell)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: MT04 Engine mounts (William Daniell)
8. 11:48 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE)
10. 06:44 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (n7188u)
11. 06:58 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck)
12. 07:09 PM - Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? (rparigoris)
13. 07:48 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (Area-51)
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| Subject: | Re: No charge lamp stays on |
Le 14/02/2023 03:26, Martin Tuck a crit:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it started
> first time! However, I noticed that the 12V 'no-charge' lamp
> (connected to the rectifier pins L and C) remained illuminated
> indicating no charge.
>
> I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp stayed on
> and after shut down my battery voltage had dropped below 11.5V. so it
> is definitely is not being charged.
>
> I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier to
> issues with the alternator.
>
> Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated. /
Hi Martin,
I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform
a serious check of the wiring and connections.
Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect /anything
/since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
--
Best regards
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. |
Checking O2 levels without drilling holes in exhaust systems; see pics... That's
how its done.
Strap the tail wheel securely to a pole or pickup truck's tow hitch and run WOT
at engine operating temps.
I've had my 80hp idle smooth at 600rpm while setting idle mixtures and balancing
carbis.. the 100hp will probably tick over nicely at 1000rpm without a fuss
during tuning... Anything below 500rpm on either spec engine will see the ignition
modules shut down.
Once tuning is set it won't have any reason to alter; check it at each 100hr or
annual if desired.
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| Subject: | Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. |
Hello Chris, that was a interesting video you shared, years ago I drag raced a
mildly modified '70 Ford Mustang 351C engine, I didn't have a oxygen sensor I
used the time and speed to tell me how to jet the carb (mostly the speed).
I was running Shell V'Power and I tried 100LL avgas which slowed me down actually,
puzzled I tested the specific gravity of both fuel types...big difference.
100LL is always .72 but auto fuel changes greatly seasonally. The summer Shell
VPower was .82 giving much richer mixture, in winter I tested Shell VPower
and it was .75.
The lesson is, if winter fuel has a lighter specific gravity it will give you a
leaner mixture than what you had in summer. Fuel density matters too
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: No charge lamp stays on |
I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system in
the Ducati regulator is very primitive and not to pay attention. A
reliable voltmeter is required.
Eventually my charge light went out by itself. The battery charged just
fine while it was on.
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)?
>
> I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or
> charging troubleshooting...!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul M
> G-PLPM
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com>
> Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00)
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
>
> Thanks Giles,
>
> I haven=99t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I fle
w and all
> seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on t
he
> Rotax Owners site so I=99ll be looking to perform those checks and
see what
> might be going on.
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:
>
>
> <MJKTuck@cs.com> Hi Folks, <Charge lamp issue>*
>
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform a
> serious check of the wiring and connections.
>
> Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect *anything *
> since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
> --
> Best regards
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: MT04 Engine mounts |
Pete
How much did you shorten the spacers?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:57 PM Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> I love my lords.waaaay quieter than the old europa rubbers,
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
>
> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
>
> Re the motor mounts:
>
>
> Engine Rubber Isolation Mounts:
>
> 1. Europa Rotax Mount MT04 hard mount.
>
> Alternate isolation mount:
>
> 1. A/C Spruce Part# 08-00662 but not sure of how firm the
> rubber is.
>
> MFR Model # SET OF 8 About $50 plus shipping/tax
>
> 2. Lockwood 860-690 is really expensive $30 each. Just a Lord
> Mount J3608-1
>
>
> Bud Yerly
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Paul McAllister
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:59 PM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts
>
>
> Hi, is anyone aware of a US supplier for the MT04 engine mounts or is
> Europa the only source. - Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No charge lamp stays on |
Le 14/02/2023 20:36, William Daniell a crit:
> I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system
> in theDucati regulatoris veryprimitive and not to pay attention.
> A reliable voltmeter is required.
> Eventuallymy charge light went out by itself. Thebattery charged
> just fine while it was on.
William and all,
Agreed.
First measure actual voltages.
Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is key.
--
Best regards
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: No charge lamp stays on |
I would imagine you can tell if it=99s operating properly if your pane
l voltage reading prior to start is about 12.5volts and with engine running (
charging system working properly) you should see about 14.8volts.
Mike Duane N377EA
Europa XS Conventional Gear
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:48 PM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Le 14/02/2023 ?? 20:36, William Daniell a ??crit??:
>> I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system in t
he??Ducati regulator??is very??primitive and not to pay attention.?? ??A rel
iable voltmeter is required.??
>> Eventually??my charge light went out by itself.?? The??battery charged ju
st fine while it was on.
>
> William and all,
>
> Agreed.
>
> First measure actual voltages.
>
> Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is key.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. |
All very good info. Thanks. A couple of comments:
- I have balanced carbs at 3500 and agree found it to work well. But there is so
much info out there. Some say better at lower RPM, some at higher. And since
Rotax doesn't say, well, here we are. I tried at the lower range this time.
- I saw your O2 setup a while back Area-51. And I like it. But heard that having
the sensor too close to the pipe exit can cause outside air to mix with the
exhaust and produce erroneous readings. But your solution is certainly attractive.
Who sells that short adapter to mount the O2 sensor and coupling hoses?
- The info from dmac7 is very interesting. These issues I am having started this
winter (well, if you can call it that in Florida). But we do get winter fuel
here too. Per Lockwood, he says winter fuels are terrible for our use. Maybe
that is the culprit and the solution is to retune carbs during winter. I have
to do the same on my 503 powered Kolb (24 years old now) but since that is second
nature and expected in the 2-stroker I never had issues.
I will fly with this new tuning setup and will report back at some time in the
future.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: No charge lamp stays on |
Hi Paul,
Assuming you are a subscriber to RotaxOwner.com, the video can be found
under Videos: 912 Videos: Charging System Troubleshooting.
https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/videos-topmenu/rotax-minute/404-charging
Regards,
Martin Tuck
On 2/14/2023 11:44 AM, Paul Mansfield wrote:
> Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)?
>
> I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or
> charging troubleshooting...!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul M
> G-PLPM
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com>
> Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00)
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
>
> Thanks Giles,
>
> I havent done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and
> all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the
> system on the Rotax Owners site so Ill be looking to perform those
> checks and see what might be going on.
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> <Charge lamp issue>/
>>
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then
>> perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.
>>
>> Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect
>> /anything / since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Gilles
>> http://contrails.free.fr
>> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? |
Hi Group
Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? I have a few spares.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. |
Chris, the setup i just bought the bits off fleabay and made one; the case is 3D
printed in PETG with two velcro securing straps and the T'piece for the sensor
i had to custom drill and tap to suit... i can make more units ready to use
out of the box, and they would be around $600 Aud plus postage; the unit can
be used in the cockpit during flight testing for specific altitudes tests also
and has self contained battery power or plug into 12v supply and recharging.
The tail pipe fitting length negates proximity contamination to external atmospheric
air and fits 36mm - 40mm tail pipe sizes with provision for safety cable
attachment should the T'piece depart during flight.
Balancing carbis at 3500/4000 etc is fine however its a lazy way of going about
it and will only offer Intermediate range tuning, so that would be needle height
adjustment only. Adjusting mixtures and butterflies for smooth idle are best
achieved at the lowest possible rpm (operational idle rpm is set afterward);
have had triple SU Aston Martin DB3's happily idling at 150rpm while setting
mixtures... SU and Stromberg CV tuning method would be the most appropriate applied
approach for Bing64 series. The only other point to note is symmetry of
needle height position; if they are not the same height on each carbi and your
tuning is complete then you have an issue remaining either an air leak, high
or low float level, or unbalanced butterfly valves; take everything back to default
and start again to find the reason for rich or lean side.
Seasonal changes in specific gravity of fuels will alter the tuning slightly on
cold startups as it affects the barometric vaporisation point of the fuel (for
Darwinian safety reasons modern pump gas is designed not to vaporise, its designed
to be sprayed and atomised at high pressure). Avgas however will readily
vaporise and has a specific barometric vaporisation point that must be deliverable
and adhered to to prevent vapor locking up to a specified pressure and
temperature.
Bud might offer a better explanation as i never cease to expect everybody to just
automatically know all this stuff!
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