Europa-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/15/23


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:40 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Paul Mansfield)
     2. 01:52 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23 (James Kelly)
     3. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23 (Pete)
     4. 02:47 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23 (david park)
     5. 03:20 AM - Re: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (Pete Zut)
     6. 03:43 AM - Re: MT04 Engine mounts (Pete Zut)
     7. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23 (Mike)
     8. 10:38 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (dmac7)
     9. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (Pete Zut)
    10. 02:20 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold. (Area-51)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:40:54 AM PST US
    From: Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com>
    Subject: No charge lamp stays on
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    Time: 01:52:07 AM PST US
    From: James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23
    Dear All, regrettably I experienced a ground loop in my Classic taildragger. The undercarriage and prop were damaged. Can anyone help with the replacement of the Airmaster prop. Thanks Jim Kelly G-BWEG. On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, 07:33 Europa-List Digest Server, < europa-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 23-02-14&Archive=Europa > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 23-02-14&Archive=Europa > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 02/14/23: 13 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:05 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH) > 2. 04:39 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. (Area-51) > 3. 08:28 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck) > 4. 09:45 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Paul Mansfield) > 5. 10:46 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. (dmac7) > 6. 11:37 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (William Daniell) > 7. 11:40 AM - Re: MT04 Engine mounts (William Daniell) > 8. 11:48 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH) > 9. 12:40 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE) > 10. 06:44 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. (n7188u) > 11. 06:58 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck) > 12. 07:09 PM - Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? (rparigoris) > 13. 07:48 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. (Area-51) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:05:35 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> > > Le 14/02/2023 03:26, Martin Tuck a crit: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it started > > first time! However, I noticed that the 12V 'no-charge' lamp > > (connected to the rectifier pins L and C) remained illuminated > > indicating no charge. > > > > I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp stayed on > > and after shut down my battery voltage had dropped below 11.5V. so it > > is definitely is not being charged. > > > > I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier to > > issues with the alternator. > > > > Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated. / > > > Hi Martin, > > I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform > a serious check of the wiring and connections. > > Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect /anything > /since last time you ran the engine with no issues? > > -- > Best regards > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:39:30 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. > From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> > > > Checking O2 levels without drilling holes in exhaust systems; see pics... > That's > how its done. > > Strap the tail wheel securely to a pole or pickup truck's tow hitch and > run WOT > at engine operating temps. > > I've had my 80hp idle smooth at 600rpm while setting idle mixtures and > balancing > carbis.. the 100hp will probably tick over nicely at 1000rpm without a fuss > during tuning... Anything below 500rpm on either spec engine will see the > ignition > modules shut down. > > Once tuning is set it won't have any reason to alter; check it at each > 100hr or > annual if desired. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510165#510165 > > > Attachments: > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/362f0bc8_cbf0_4542_bf20_f6de7b680f81_791.jpeg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/53b2aae1_e9b1_4447_af53_70ce230454b6_106.jpeg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/644bf1fd_eb3d_4263_b24c_33fbc62a9ce3_178.jpeg > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:28:25 AM PST US > From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > > --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- > > A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. > The entire body of the message was removed. 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The summer > Shell > VPower was .82 giving much richer mixture, in winter I tested Shell VPower > and it was .75. > The lesson is, if winter fuel has a lighter specific gravity it will give > you a > leaner mixture than what you had in summer. Fuel density matters too > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510168#510168 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:37:17 AM PST US > From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > > I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system in > the Ducati regulator is very primitive and not to pay attention. A > reliable voltmeter is required. > Eventually my charge light went out by itself. The battery charged just > fine while it was on. > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +1 786 878 0246 > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)? > > > > I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or > > charging troubleshooting...! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul M > > G-PLPM > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com> > > Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00) > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > > > > Thanks Giles, > > > > I haven=99t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I fle > w and all > > seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on t > he > > Rotax Owners site so I=99ll be looking to perform those checks and > see what > > might be going on. > > > > Martin > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB > > Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??: > > > > > > <MJKTuck@cs.com> Hi Folks, <Charge lamp issue>* > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform a > > serious check of the wiring and connections. > > > > Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect *anything * > > since last time you ran the engine with no issues? > > -- > > Best regards > > Gilles > > http://contrails.free.fr > > <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcont > rails.free.fr%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8ea3591876ba4f2447af08db0ea8cabc%7C84d > f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638119890335969623%7CUnknown%7CTWFp > bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D% > 7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=InRipetsCPzljMdA%2BeJ5Dd3R1KF31dtQ5pgJCi%2FQwZA%3D& > reserved=0> > > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > > <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flapi > erre.skunkworks.free.fr%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8ea3591876ba4f2447af08db0ea8 > cabc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638119890335969623%7CUnkn > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lk5LfCbl%2BC26gt8XwYaPdiWErbqpymRoYEX1Uvh > Jhhs%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:40:30 AM PST US > From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts > > Pete > How much did you shorten the spacers? > Will > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +1 786 878 0246 > > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:57 PM Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote: > > > I love my lords.waaaay quieter than the old europa rubbers, > > > > Cheers, > > PeteZ > > > > On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB > > > > Re the motor mounts: > > > > > > Engine Rubber Isolation Mounts: > > > > 1. Europa Rotax Mount MT04 hard mount. > > > > Alternate isolation mount: > > > > 1. A/C Spruce Part# 08-00662 but not sure of how firm the > > rubber is. > > > > MFR Model # SET OF 8 About $50 plus shipping/tax > > > > 2. Lockwood 860-690 is really expensive $30 each. Just a Lord > > Mount J3608-1 > > > > > > Bud Yerly > > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < > > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Paul McAllister > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:59 PM > > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts > > > > > > Hi, is anyone aware of a US supplier for the MT04 engine mounts or is > > Europa the only source. - Paul > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:48:17 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> > > Le 14/02/2023 20:36, William Daniell a crit: > > I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system > > in theDucati regulatoris veryprimitive and not to pay attention. > > A reliable voltmeter is required. > > Eventuallymy charge light went out by itself. Thebattery charged > > just fine while it was on. > > > William and all, > > Agreed. > > First measure actual voltages. > > Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is key. > > -- > Best regards > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:40:24 PM PST US > From: MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE <duanefamly@aol.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > > I would imagine you can tell if it=99s operating properly if your pane > l voltage reading prior to start is about 12.5volts and with engine > running ( > charging system working properly) you should see about 14.8volts. > > Mike Duane N377EA > Europa XS Conventional Gear > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:48 PM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB > > Le 14/02/2023 ?? 20:36, William Daniell a ??crit??: > >> I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system > in t > he??Ducati regulator??is very??primitive and not to pay attention.?? ??A > rel > iable voltmeter is required.?? > >> Eventually??my charge light went out by itself.?? The??battery charged > ju > st fine while it was on. > > > > William and all, > > > > Agreed. > > > > First measure actual voltages. > > > > Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is > key. > > > > -- > > Best regards > > Gilles > > http://contrails.free.fr > > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:44:39 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. > From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com> > > > All very good info. Thanks. A couple of comments: > > - I have balanced carbs at 3500 and agree found it to work well. But there > is so > much info out there. Some say better at lower RPM, some at higher. And > since > Rotax doesn't say, well, here we are. I tried at the lower range this time. > > - I saw your O2 setup a while back Area-51. And I like it. But heard that > having > the sensor too close to the pipe exit can cause outside air to mix with the > exhaust and produce erroneous readings. But your solution is certainly > attractive. > Who sells that short adapter to mount the O2 sensor and coupling hoses? > > - The info from dmac7 is very interesting. These issues I am having > started this > winter (well, if you can call it that in Florida). But we do get winter > fuel > here too. Per Lockwood, he says winter fuels are terrible for our use. > Maybe > that is the culprit and the solution is to retune carbs during winter. I > have > to do the same on my 503 powered Kolb (24 years old now) but since that is > second > nature and expected in the 2-stroker I never had issues. > > I will fly with this new tuning setup and will report back at some time in > the > future. > > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510174#510174 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:58:48 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com> > > Hi Paul, > > Assuming you are a subscriber to RotaxOwner.com, the video can be found > under Videos: 912 Videos: Charging System Troubleshooting. > > https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/videos-topmenu/rotax-minute/404-charging > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > > > On 2/14/2023 11:44 AM, Paul Mansfield wrote: > > Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)? > > > > I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or > > charging troubleshooting...! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul M > > G-PLPM > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com> > > Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00) > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on > > > > Thanks Giles, > > > > I havent done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and > > all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the > > system on the Rotax Owners site so Ill be looking to perform those > > checks and see what might be going on. > > > > Martin > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??: > >>> > >>> Hi Folks, > >>> > >>> <Charge lamp issue>/ > >> > >> > >> Hi Martin, > >> > >> I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then > >> perform a serious check of the wiring and connections. > >> > >> Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect > >> /anything / since last time you ran the engine with no issues? > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards > >> Gilles > >> http://contrails.free.fr > >> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:09:14 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? > From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@hotmail.com> > > > Hi Group > Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? I have a few spares. > Ron P. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510176#510176 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:48:00 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is > cold. > From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> > > > Chris, the setup i just bought the bits off fleabay and made one; the case > is 3D > printed in PETG with two velcro securing straps and the T'piece for the > sensor > i had to custom drill and tap to suit... i can make more units ready to use > out of the box, and they would be around $600 Aud plus postage; the unit > can > be used in the cockpit during flight testing for specific altitudes tests > also > and has self contained battery power or plug into 12v supply and > recharging. > The tail pipe fitting length negates proximity contamination to external > atmospheric > air and fits 36mm - 40mm tail pipe sizes with provision for safety cable > attachment should the T'piece depart during flight. > > Balancing carbis at 3500/4000 etc is fine however its a lazy way of going > about > it and will only offer Intermediate range tuning, so that would be needle > height > adjustment only. Adjusting mixtures and butterflies for smooth idle are > best > achieved at the lowest possible rpm (operational idle rpm is set > afterward); > have had triple SU Aston Martin DB3's happily idling at 150rpm while > setting > mixtures... SU and Stromberg CV tuning method would be the most > appropriate applied > approach for Bing64 series. The only other point to note is symmetry of > needle height position; if they are not the same height on each carbi and > your > tuning is complete then you have an issue remaining either an air leak, > high > or low float level, or unbalanced butterfly valves; take everything back > to default > and start again to find the reason for rich or lean side. > > Seasonal changes in specific gravity of fuels will alter the tuning > slightly on > cold startups as it affects the barometric vaporisation point of the fuel > (for > Darwinian safety reasons modern pump gas is designed not to vaporise, its > designed > to be sprayed and atomised at high pressure). Avgas however will readily > vaporise and has a specific barometric vaporisation point that must be > deliverable > and adhered to to prevent vapor locking up to a specified pressure and > temperature. > > Bud might offer a better explanation as i never cease to expect everybody > to just > automatically know all this stuff! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510177#510177 > >


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    Time: 02:16:10 AM PST US
    From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23
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    Time: 02:47:11 AM PST US
    From: david park <dpark748@me.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23
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    Time: 03:20:43 AM PST US
    From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold.
    fwiw, up here in the frozen tundra when spring comes with the warmer weather and the stations are slow to switch their premium tanks over due to lack of volume, we also see lots of running issues and vapor lock with the "winter gas" formulation. Cheers, PeteZ On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:50 PM n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote: > > All very good info. Thanks. A couple of comments: > > - I have balanced carbs at 3500 and agree found it to work well. But there > is so much info out there. Some say better at lower RPM, some at higher. > And since Rotax doesn't say, well, here we are. I tried at the lower range > this time. > > - I saw your O2 setup a while back Area-51. And I like it. But heard that > having the sensor too close to the pipe exit can cause outside air to mix > with the exhaust and produce erroneous readings. But your solution is > certainly attractive. Who sells that short adapter to mount the O2 sensor > and coupling hoses? > > - The info from dmac7 is very interesting. These issues I am having > started this winter (well, if you can call it that in Florida). But we do > get winter fuel here too. Per Lockwood, he says winter fuels are terrible > for our use. Maybe that is the culprit and the solution is to retune carbs > during winter. I have to do the same on my 503 powered Kolb (24 years old > now) but since that is second nature and expected in the 2-stroker I never > had issues. > > I will fly with this new tuning setup and will report back at some time in > the future. > > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510174#510174 > >


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    Time: 03:43:21 AM PST US
    From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: MT04 Engine mounts
    Hi William, Had to reduce the spacer lengths to 1.500=9D to deal with the very la rge startup and shutdown movements of the high compression 912ULS. That said I believe Erich with his lower compression 914 got away with 1.592=9D w hich I found to be *really* quiet and smooth - except with my 912ULS it would bang around during startup and shutdown (when I had the heavy and gear-box abusing warpdrive, I may be able to lengthen them with my now super-light E-prop). Cheers, PeteZ On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:47 PM William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.co m> wrote: > Pete > How much did you shorten the spacers? > Will > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +1 786 878 0246 > > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:57 PM Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote: > >> I love my lords.waaaay quieter than the old europa rubbers, >> >> Cheers, >> PeteZ >> >> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB >> >> Re the motor mounts: >> >> >> >> Engine Rubber Isolation Mounts: >> >> 1. Europa Rotax Mount MT04 hard mount. >> >> Alternate isolation mount: >> >> 1. A/C Spruce Part# 08-00662 but not sure of how firm the >> rubber is. >> >> MFR Model # SET OF 8 About $50 plus shipping/tax >> >> 2. Lockwood 860-690 is really expensive $30 each. Just a >> Lord Mount J3608-1 >> >> >> >> Bud Yerly >> >> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < >> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Paul McAllister >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:59 PM >> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts >> >> >> >> Hi, is anyone aware of a US supplier for the MT04 engine mounts or is >> Europa the only source. - Paul >> >>


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    Time: 04:10:21 AM PST US
    From: Mike <mike@nyumba.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/14/23
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    Time: 10:38:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold.
    From: "dmac7" <dmac7@outlook.com>
    It will vary but winter mogas has typically 10% more butane to help it start in cooler seasons, butane has 20% less energy than gasoline and evaporates easily so it doesn't age well in a vented tank. The EPA mandates the Ried vapour pressure =RVP, and butane is how they adjust this. Mogas usually more volatile than 100LL. 100LL has additives to reduce icing and static and anti oxidents to prevent gum build up, it ages well. I would suggest buy a spcific gravity tester, from Fisher Scientific, only $20 when I bought mine. Good to know what's in the tank. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510187#510187


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    Time: 11:02:55 AM PST US
    From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold.
    nice little summary on that I stumbled across fwiw https://www.yellowbullet.com/threads/specific-gravity-of-racing-fuel.170626/ PeteZ On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:44 PM dmac7 <dmac7@outlook.com> wrote: > > It will vary but winter mogas has typically 10% more butane to help it > start in cooler seasons, butane has 20% less energy than gasoline and > evaporates easily so it doesn't age well in a vented tank. > The EPA mandates the Ried vapour pressure =RVP, and butane is how they > adjust this. Mogas usually more volatile than 100LL. > 100LL has additives to reduce icing and static and anti oxidents to > prevent gum build up, it ages well. I would suggest buy a spcific gravity > tester, from Fisher Scientific, only $20 when I bought mine. Good to know > what's in the tank. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510187#510187 > >


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    Time: 02:20:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is cold.
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    That is a good bit of info in that link. Another useful test if running pump gas, or even avgas, is to check for ethanol content of the fuel before putting the fuel into the aircraft; its a simple and quick process and can prevent carbi icing scenarios. Basically take a glass container put 100ml of water in, draw a line at the water level, put 100ml of the fuel in the container and give it a stir; if the water level increases then thats the % of ethanol in the fuel. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510190#510190




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