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Sun 03/26/23


Total Messages Posted: 9



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Muffler (silencer) suspension puzzle (Pete)
     2. 05:21 AM - Re: Muffler (silencer) suspension puzzle (Area-51)
     3. 10:59 AM - Re: Finishing tips (Hitchflight)
     4. 12:59 PM - Re: Finishing tips (dmac7)
     5. 01:11 PM - Re: Finishing tips (Kelvin Weston)
     6. 01:30 PM - Re: Finishing tips (Kelvin Weston)
     7. 06:04 PM - Re: the Obsidian Files - So Much Noise!!! (n7188u)
     8. 06:23 PM - Considering a few mods. Opinions? (n7188u)
     9. 07:30 PM - Re: Considering a few mods. Opinions? (Area-51)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:57:10 AM PST US
    From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: Muffler (silencer) suspension puzzle
    or in my case a pocketed dog gearbox, heavy warpdrive prop, eaten plastic gearbox thrust washer (twice), and lightly loaded cruise prop resonance, resulting in dramatic exhaust cracking (three times). Replaced the pocketed dogs and plastic washer, changed to a lighter prop, and no more cracked exhaust. Magic. Cheers, PeteZ > On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:39 PM, Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Nearly all and everything contemporary produced is completely designed within a digital computer specified environment; from electronics to mechanical; covering design criteria such as Thermal Expansion & Conductivity, Modal Frequency Vibrational Response, Dynamic Physical Loads & Gravity, Material Elasticity Stress & Strain, Chemical Interactions... This is a very basic matrix of R&D analysis. > > When a company such as Bombardier develop a power train it is run through the above matrix before being produced and released for industry use. > > The factory supplied 9XX exhaust system will have the above matrix applied along with field testing results which are fed back into the design process upon a "Continual Improvement" basis, which the end user sees as optional or mandatory factory Service Bulletins. > > This closed loop system quickly falls apart when third party aftermarket components are brought into the mix; some may cause premature failure, others may prevent it; it depends upon the applied knowledge of who ever is producing the component. > > The whole exhaust is constantly vibrating at (x)hz at (x)deg and will be tested at the factory based upon the typical operating ranges of the power unit being in the vicinity of 5100rpm and (x)deg give or take 15% either side. Stress and strain fatigue points of the exhaust system will naturally be found around both bending points, and attachment points. Hard mounting the exhaust muffler to the engine block moves any inertia forces of the exhaust into the engine block which may or may not be designed to support such loads beyond (x)hrs of usage at (x)rpm. > > A rough running engine or loose fixing somewhere in the mix adds another dimension of vibration into the fatigue failure equation. > > This why its important to keep any motor well serviced and tuned and running smooth. > > The short answer to the question is "Cycle Count" but that is just going to be too cryptic for most to understand. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510499#510499 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:21:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Muffler (silencer) suspension puzzle
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Very interesting!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510503#510503


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    Time: 10:59:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Finishing tips
    From: "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock@icloud.com>
    Hi Dan After some digging I have refreshed the page you referred to so as to recognise and credit the probable authors. Attribution: Thanks to George Sychrovsky & the late Nigel Graham Hope this helps. We are most fortunate that many good people have donated their achievements in life to posterity. Have a contact reference that I will email to you separately. Regards Bob If anyone spots any errors or omissions on the Europa Club website please advise by email to secretary@theeuropaclub.org and we would endeavour to fix. danbish99 wrote: > Any idea who wrote this article? Has some excellent tips but I have a few questions for the author. It's posted on the Europa Club site. > > Thanks, > > Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510508#510508


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    Time: 12:59:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Finishing tips
    From: "dmac7" <dmac7@outlook.com>
    Thx Jerry, good write up on finishing. I will try to add a Youtube video on a method used by Cory Bird on his aircraft called " Symmetry " a 2004 Oshkosh Grand champion winner. He called his finish technique "the epoxy wipe method" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43K1qwoHbnc&t=22s If the link doesn't work just search Youtube for, epoxy wipe method composite aircraft finishing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510510#510510


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    Time: 01:11:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Finishing tips
    From: "Kelvin Weston" <kelv@kdweston.co.uk>
    Hi Dan The original web article can be found here: http://curedcomposites.com/index.html or the page on finishing here: http://curedcomposites.com/finish.html Another good article on finishing is Wayne Hicks Cozy IV project: http://ez.canardaircraft.com/www.ez.org/canardpages/pages/waynehicks/index.html See Chapter 25 on Finishing -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510511#510511


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    Time: 01:30:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Finishing tips
    From: "Kelvin Weston" <kelv@kdweston.co.uk>
    Hi Dan A pdf attached of the "Epoxy Wipe" or "Skim Coating" method extracted from Wayne Hicks Cozy project. There is also lots of great finishing advice on this forum from Bud Yearly and the late great Nev Eyre. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510512#510512 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/skimcoating_171.pdf


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    Time: 06:04:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: the Obsidian Files - So Much Noise!!!
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Today I finally had a chance to get a longer flight in. It's hard to say how much improvement the install of the sound deadening material on the air box has on the internal noise. But there is certainly improvement!! The flight today was very pleasant and more enjoyable. But what really struck me is that, as A51 experienced, I had to lower the intercom volume quite a bit since it felt too loud. Same thing when I was playing music as I generally do. So, even though I can still hear relatively high frequency sound, but maybe less, it seems that overall there is a reduction in noise. But, I have to admit this is all just based on perception. It is indeed hard to quantify the change. But I have to say that despite the increase in weight, it is a keeper. On a different note: I finished rebuilding my spray booth and getting closer to starting the painting process. I will hold off taking the airplane apart this week to see if I fly it to Sun n Fun but by next weekend it will come apart so no more flying until it is done. I also have a couple of pending jobs I want to perform on the airframe. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510513#510513


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    Time: 06:23:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Considering a few mods. Opinions?
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Dear Europa Friends, Since my airplane is coming apart for painting, I wanted to implement the cockpit widening mod 67. Any negative experiences with doing this? I think it would help increase the comfort of the airplane as I notice that after a x-country flight my left arm hurts a little from rubbing on the door frame. Since the door will be worked on I am going to change the gas strut attach point (my door was already built with the old style attach point). I know this is basically a must although the current configuration has worked OK. At last, anyone has any experience with installing a monowheel wheel pant? I have a kit for that and was thinking about installing the front part only. I am not doing it for the speed as I know the wheel is basically blocked by the cowling's exhaust but I think it could help seal the wheel well better and possibly reduce turbulent air getting into it (noise). Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510514#510514


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    Time: 07:30:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Considering a few mods. Opinions?
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Attached is a rudimentary cross section of free stream air through the forward fuselage voids without lower cowl ducting. >From experience flying in a mono with wheel fairing fitted; with ANR switched on at the time there was no detectible change in cabin noise volume compared to flying in 181. However the degree off air flow through the cockpit was greatly multiplied due to the wheel well being mostly sealed off during flight; not fitting the rear portion of the fairing will greatly diminish this ventilation feature. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510515#510515 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/9727fbf9_885d_4ac6_bc0d_a372d13ea377_675.jpeg




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