---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/08/23: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/07/23 (John Archer) 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/07/23 (John Archer) 3. 12:07 PM - EPISODE 6: COWL FITTING INFO (rparigoris) 4. 10:31 PM - Re: Oil - Rotax - Synthetic or other (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:35 AM PST US From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/07/23 I would think graphite could change the friction on the clutch mechanism in the gearbox. Its a bit of a juggling act! > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:38:13 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oil - Rotax - Synthetic or other > From: "Area-51" > > > Think some of the AGIP hi performance oils were pegged as suitable but don't quote > me on that... goo point on the ZDDP... Anybody have any thoughts on adding > colloidal graphite? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510745#510745 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:36 AM PST US From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/07/23 I would think graphite could change the friction on the clutch mechanism in the gearbox. Its a bit of a juggling act! > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:38:13 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oil - Rotax - Synthetic or other > From: "Area-51" > > > Think some of the AGIP hi performance oils were pegged as suitable but don't quote > me on that... goo point on the ZDDP... Anybody have any thoughts on adding > colloidal graphite? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510745#510745 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: EPISODE 6: COWL FITTING INFO From: "rparigoris" Hi Group Here's a link to May 2nd ZOOM: EPISODE 6: COWL FITTING INFO: https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ah1S270Nwg9Vgf9TD8as-OSvuC-t9A?e=JaO6R9 For whatever reason, Matronics always cuts off some of the hyper-link when links are posted. Just copy the entire link and paste into URL of browser. Wayne and Ron BTW: Here's a link you can find prior episodes: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16779584 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510762#510762 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:42 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil - Rotax - Synthetic or other Thanks Bud So Ill stick with sp4 William Daniell +1 786 878 0246 On Sun, May 7, 2023, 04:35 Bud Yerly wrote: > Will, > > Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 (Aeroshell SP4) is good for either Mogas (AKI 91 o r > R+M/2) of 91 or 92 and is fine also with 100LL IAW Rotax Service letters > and experience. > > > Any other oil must have the proper gearbox additives used in motorcycles > as Area 51 noted also. We used to use Mobile MX4T (now known as Racing > 4T Motorcycle oil) which is a motorcycle/ATV oil using additives for > gearboxes bathed in engine oil. Do not use regular Mobile One in a Rotax > although many did until after 2011-2012 914-SB-19?? or so when the > guidance changed due to the gearbox additive not found in Mobile 1 which > may have caused some gearbox issues of which the Rotax Gods kept secret a nd > Rotax went hard over for Aeroshell SP4. Primary reason was Aeroshell > doesn=99t change their oil without notice as auto oil manufacturers do. If > you use TCP and SP4 the lead settles in the tank when the oil cools. As > you all know I change oil every 25-30 hours anyway as I believe in routin e 25 > hour inspections and since I use and will continue to use 100LL it keeps > the oil can cleaner. You also know I don=99t follow hearsay and do my own > research (Have internet, will research!). > > > Miscellaneous Ramblings: > > If using Super Premium Auto Fuel AKI 91 (whatever the local station calls > it) we never had a problem with the Mobile MX4T but there were starting > issues if the gas was old. But even at a higher oil change interval, > look at the cost difference: > > > I fly less than most of you, so Aeroshell SP4 is cost effective. SP4 is > about $11-15 a quart and MX4T is about $12-15 a quart. Depending on > where you buy it. I buy the SP4 a case at a time (12 quarts) for about > $135 including shipping, and the 4T is about $86 for 6 quarts plus shippi ng. > Again, depending on where you buy your oil costs change. Since only a > few airports across the US carry MOGAS of 91 AKI, I can=99t avoid l eaded > AVGas use. I stick with the SP4. Do I religiously use the TCP fuel > additive? Well, I try to. If cross country and I need oil and the FBO > does not stock SP4, I use either the Valvoline semi synthetic motorcycle > oil or Mobil MX4T to add if my oil level gets low for some reason. > > > Although some say a full synthetic oil only has to be changed every 100 > Hrs, I=99m afraid I have not bought into that. Florida is hot, hum id, and > iron gears are prone to rusting. Synthetics are great oils, but I > personally am not inclined to be a test case due to our high humidity > conditions and the lack of coating Mobile one seems to have in comparison > to standard oil on the gears when the plane sets for weeks/months. > > > AVGas is averaging now (on cross country) about $7 (Sebring is $5) and > Premium 92 Octane R+M/2 is about $4/gallon in Tampa. If I fly 25 hours a > year how much do I save at 5-6 gal/hr with a 25 hour oil change. (Note I > really only flew the Europa 10 hours last year.) My gas use would be 137 > gallons and an oil change is about 3 quarts. Avgas/SP4 at 5.5GPH $962+33 > for oil =$995 but normally with my discount $688+45=$732 and 91AKI Mo gas > use would cost in my area (My FF is 5.8 GPH at 31 inches on Shell Supreme > fuel) $582 + 45= $625 and I must now consider I can=99t get relia ble MOGAS on > cross country at the nice airports, however I still have to worry about b ad > or old gas that has been setting at the airport and in my airplane. For > me it is not that much of a difference over a years worth of flying but, > if you only fly local and fly 300 hours a year, you can save quite a bit. > Those folks overseas that can get good super supreme fuel at airfields an d > go 50 hours between oil changes can save enough to pay a month=99s hangar fee > and or a month=99s worth of insurance so it=99s worth it for those overseas to > look for alternatives due to their high fuel costs and oil availability. For > me, in the Tampa Florida area, it just isn=99t worth the stagnant f uel issues > since I fly so little and SP4 works and is relatively cheap to buy for a > specialty oil. As far as auto fuel goes vs 100LL, my particular 914 > likes 100LL. It starts really fast. No worries about kickback on start > with that fuel, no matter how old it is. With ethanol laced super MoGas > only available here in Tampa, I find that by using 100LL fuel, my carbs a re > always clean and have stayed tuned for 4 years, the floats don=99t sink and > my float bowls look like new. Others in the area are not so lucky that > fuel with ethanol gas. > > > Note, I had Lockwood do a 500 Hr top overhaul of my 914 running 100LL wit h > TCP and SP4 oil and Rotax Filter. The engine was unbelievably clean on > the inside. The oil tank holds the lead in suspension like it is > supposed to. The only thing I find is, in the oil filter there are small > chunks of carbon from the turbo. There is a new Service Bulletin on the > 914 turbo can which changes the design and adds a filter screen. It may > set too close to my duct so I doubt I can change it without lowering the > duct. I=99ll see how much it costs. I like the design but, I prob ably > will be shocked by the price. To tell you the truth I can=99t wait for the > new unleaded AVGas either. I bet the AVGas price jumps 30% initially > when it comes out. > > > So, the choice is yours. Research and do your own math for your flying > needs and fuel/oil costs. I wouldn=99t skimp on fluids though. Go od fresh > gas, and good oil are a must. Maintenance becomes more of a time change > requirement with proper fluids. Do the inspections and time changes and > your plane will reward you with only periodic maintenance and leave you > more money for upgrades. > > > You all know what keeps an airplane flying don=99t you.MON EY! > > > Bud Yerly > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *William Daniell > *Sent:* Friday, May 05, 2023 10:50 AM > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Europa-List: Oil - Rotax - Synthetic or other > > > Whats is the consensus on the best oil. > > I have used the Aeroshell sport PLUS 4 oil up to now mainly because I use d > AVGAS in Colombia. (Mogas was of doubtful quality.) > > I have since heard that lost of people use Mobil Synthetic. > > Any thoughts? > > William Daniell > > LONGPORT > > +1 786 878 0246 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.