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1. 02:56 AM - Re: The Obsidian Files - Chapter 1 - Pigs In Space & Other S (D McFadyean)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: fitting hatches on neville eyre cowl (Alan Twigg)
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| Subject: | Re: The Obsidian Files - Chapter 1 - Pigs In Space & Other |
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How about looking more closely at the detail surrounding the door closure and frame?
Areas of relatively high and low pressure on the surface of the fuselage around
the periphery of the door closure are in practice interconnected by a "tube"
(i.e. the door rebate) with slots (i.e. the door-to-fuselage gap). Air must be
being sucked in at some places along this slot and blown out at others, with
resulting potential to wreck the downstream attachment(?).
Personally, I've found outer doorseals (that effectively block the slot) to be
beneficial.
Duncan Mcf.
> On 19 May 2023 at 12:46 Area-51 <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Everything begins at Zero
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> So now that we have dealt with the preamble and have some familiarity with what
all the rainbow images and basic terminology used is about it should be a good
moment to introduce our science pig, sorry plug I call it Pig because that
is what it is; a happy jovial highly intelligent pig that does not mind being
pushed and prodded around the yard.
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> Pig-01 is used as a Baseline measure that all upstream tests can be referred
back to and compared against. It is a Clean Skin 3D model, meaning there are no
extra bits added or protruding from the basic aerodynamic shape; it is as slippery
as a Europa Classic can possibly be without further modification. And contrary
to the mention of two Pigs in the Preamble there can only be space for
one Pig in this story of shock and awe.
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> The model lends itself to set criteria of variance in order to identify our Primary
Baseline. This criterion consists of the following:
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> Wings 6DOF
> Horizontal Stab 6DOF
> Fuselage Fixed
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> With only three pieces making up our pig the third piece being the fuselage is
fixed at 0deg attitude; the lower surface line of the hatches set to the horizontal
of the XY plane with the longitudinal axis being in the XZ direction.
This allows complete augmentation of both Wing Incidence and Pitch of the Horizontal
Stab. Height of both pieces can also be altered relative to the fixed fuselage.
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> Dihedral of the main wing is set at 4deg.
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> In order to Zero the model Incidence of the Main Wing is set at 0deg for the
primary round of CFD analysis, using the wings chord line at the longitudinal
centreline of the fuselage as the identifier.
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> Alpha is also set at 0deg.
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> Now that we have set our model parameters we can go about creating the Solution
Domain parameters.
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> The Solution Domain is a large area measuring some 20mx20mx20m around the model.
This area is required to mitigate any interference that may occur should the
free stream fluid impact the outer perimeter wall and feedback against the
model during solution, resulting in false readings this is a big area and when
we turn this into a 3D mathematical mesh our mesh sizing will also affect the
time the solution requires to solve along with the resolution and clarity of
results. So we need to firstly ask what is it that we want to know, and how critical
do we need the answer to be If its just for guidance and we are searching
for direction to develop a concept in then we can use a very loose large cell
mesh however if we require more definitive answers we would opt for a finer
mesh and go do some gardening or shopping for an hour or two or just go to bed
and come back to the machine the next morning with a hot cup of coffee in hand
and sit down to read the note on !
> the screen Meshing Failed Fortunately that has not happened for a while, but
it does happen
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> So we are at the point of what is it that we want to know? Well how about some
Lift and Drag numbers? Lets look at the way the fluid Velocity is flowing around
the model; is there any Turbulence or Cavitation evident? Where are the Pressure
curves happening? What level of Acoustic Power is being emitted? ... These
aspects are the primary criteria used in most of all the contrast studies
We are primarily looking for Divergence and Convergence of data in order to identify
areas of aerodynamic efficiency.
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> How great it is to be able to play with what ifs?! And not kill ourselves doing
it!
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> With that out of the way we can chuck it all out across the table and record
our ground zero baseline, which on this occasion, based upon the above, is:
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> Velocity (m/s) Alpha (deg) Inc (deg) Drag (kg) Lift (kg)
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> 38.50 0 0 18 78
> 51.44 0 0 32 137
> 77.16 0 0 76 312
> 102.88 0 0 137 544
> 128.61 0 0 215 887
> 154.33 0 0 324 1331
> 205.77 0 0 658 2677
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> Yes that really is 400kt TAS at 0AMSL 15C Dorothy
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> Next we will look at a few of these above results with the wing incidence adjusted
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> Velocity (m/s) Alpha (deg) Inc (deg) Drag (kg) Lift (kg)
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> 38.50 0 1 18 128
> 51.44 0 1 32 209
> 77.16 0 1 76 512
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> 51.44 0 2 36 330
> 77.16 0 2 80 729
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> What can we assume and theorise from these above results?
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> The Europas aerofoil generates Lift! It actually generates more lift than required
at certain velocities
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> What else can we assume from these numbers?
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> With a Rotax 912UL/ULS we can aerodynamically Vmax at 200kt 230kt
> With a Rotax 916is we can aerodynamically Vmax somewhere between 250kt 300kt
> With a Rotax 914 we can aerodynamically Vmax somewhere between 230kt 250kt
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> Not too shabby But what is happening to the air while it skirts over the models
skin? Is there a lot of turbulence? Is there a lot of noise? Well Yes and No
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> At first Velocity prints were looked at across all the velocity vectors, and
it was surprising to observe very little alteration in the velocity pattern over
the model. Other than the velocity band increasing in magnitude, at Alpha 0
or 1 or 2 the patterns remained fairly unaltered.
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> Then Acoustic Power prints were looked at in the same manner as with Velocity,
and it revealed a slightly different picture.
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> At 38.50m/s (75kt) to 51.44m/s (100kt) there is very little audible noise being
generated by our Pig; 35db 55db max respectfully. In other words, this Pig
is silent while flying through the sky
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> With increases in velocity our pig starts to murmur a bit, and as velocity increases
our pig is squealing at the top of its capacity at 110db at 400kt 747
on T/O equivalent its Loud
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> The other thing that was picked up by the Acoustic prints was Cavitation over
the Boundary Layer; as velocity increases so does cavitation. This being the
cause of the rise in db power; and more will be written about this later, but
for now all we need to know is that cavitation equals noise
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> So what have we discovered so far in this primary study that we can take into
stuff going on further down the wire?
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> Well, it appears we know that:
> The Europas wing generates too much Lift to aerodynamically fly the Model beyond
say 230kt; unless we want to keep climbing up to FL25 where the air is thin
enough to absorb the extra Lift.
> In order to attain the above data, aerodynamically, we need to reduce the wings
incidence on our Model to 2 or less degrees.
> As velocity of the Model increases so too does the Acoustic Power being emitted.
> The Europas aerofoil profile is able to reach 400kt at Alpha-0 and remain efficient.
>
> It is probably a good moment to review our model with the wing incidence set
as per factory and compare some results. These results have been mashed through
the Solver with an Alpha of -3deg and the Horizontal Stab adjusted to be parallel
of the wings Incidence; So we are simulating pitching the nose of the Model
slightly down on step The results received were:
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> Velocity (m/s) Alpha (deg) Inc (deg) Drag (kg) Lift (kg)
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> 51.44 -3 factory 42 129
> 102.88 -3 factory 175 518
> 128.61 -3 factory 280 837
> 205.77 -3 factory 842 2469
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> With these above numbers, with a 912ULS, aerodynamically, we are just able to
reach 200kt; still not too shabby
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> The Europas form is very slippery, but the CFD studies are revealing areas around
the Empennage aft of the cabin where cavitation begins and continues aft;
so we are seeing the effects of boundary layer separation that is taking place
just above the models skin The Velocity prints are not detecting this as they
are focused upon a very shallow layer, where as the Acoustic Power prints reveal
the affects more of what is going on around the selected layer band; so this
is why we can use them to tell another story other than just noise, and more
so read them as an indication of what may be the cause of the noise; which,
in this environment, can only be cavitation.
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> Cavitation also is evident with the wing. At 0deg Incidence the cavitation is
minimal and is seen along the last inch of the upper trailing edge and along
the last 2 or so inches of the lower trailing edge. Longitudinal cavitation streaks
are also evident on the lower surface of the wing at Alpha-0. As Velocity
increases these areas of cavitation extend further in from the trailing edge
of the wing and increase in amplitude. However this study is not focused upon
the wing so we will leave this story for another episode.
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> As far as actual noise is concerned even at 150kt the Acoustic Power being generated
by this above cavitation is only at 70db max So we are still, from 100m
or so away, flying silently. At 200kt things are just starting to become detectible
over the murmur of daytime nature.
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> So what about this cavitation and how might it be mitigated? At this point no
definitive idea, however looking at the shape of the empennage, being slightly
concave, changing it to a slightly convex shape may return favourable numbers.
Looking toward the Liberty XL may provide some direction. Regarding cavitation
around areas of the wing, this tends to diminish as Alpha is increased. Again
this is another bedtime story to be told another night
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> This concludes this session upon flying pigs and baseline setting, and the subject
is now open to forum for people to add or comment upon.
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| Subject: | Re: fitting hatches on neville eyre cowl |
Found the panels and the recesses fitted very well, compared to the rest of the
aircraft.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 17 Jun 2023, at 15:23, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am not sure if anyone else besides Alan Twigg has experience of fettling the
supplied hatch pieces to fit onto Neville Eyres cowl.
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> I am about to start trimming them to shape and fitting the hinges and catches,
but before I do anything irrevocable Id appreciate any hints and tips that others
might be able to offer.
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> Any suggestions about the best way to go about the task would be welcome.
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> in friendship
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> Rowland
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