Europa-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/14/23


Total Messages Posted: 7



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:23 AM - Rotax Piston Stop Tool (Area-51)
     2. 04:48 AM - Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool (europabill)
     3. 06:00 AM - Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool (Area-51)
     4. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: The Obsidian Files - Wing Tips (Bud Yerly)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool (h&jeuropa)
     6. 03:58 PM - Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool (Area-51)
     7. 06:22 PM - Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool (h&jeuropa)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:23:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Does anyone know what position of the stroke this tool stops the piston, or have the dimensions of this item used for checking crankshaft distortion on 9XX series engines? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511255#511255


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    Time: 04:48:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "europabill" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
    Download a copy of the Rotax Heavy Maintenance manual. There are instructions on how to check for crankshaft distortion, runout, etc. I ended up making my own tools to check as Rotax wants a fortune for their tools. Bill A010 Europa Monowheel Classic Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511256#511256


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    Time: 06:00:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Thanks fir the input, but that was not relevant to the question. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511257#511257


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    Time: 08:23:52 AM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: The Obsidian Files - Wing Tips
    The wing theory hasn't changed much since the 1920s but the math is now easier just letting the "zeros and ones" computer to do the calculations. We've known the elliptic wing distribution (which is the optimum induced drag profile) is easily achieved by building an elliptical wing profile (Spitfire, P-47, and others). But technically was costly in time and technique, (until composites of course). For production the rectangular tapered wing was easier to build and just put in a bit of twist to achieve the elliptic lift distribution but unfortunately it was best suited to a specific wing loading. If cruise altitude, aircraft weight, or G forces changed, drag was affected. One of my aero instructors was Professor Bondi, who was on the 727 wing aerodynamic team. Once the 727 was stretched, reengined and modified, the aircraft was flying higher, with a heavier wing loading. Hence the team had to find a fix but, had to do it without changing the base wing structure. It became a massive push for finding an aerodynamic gimmick that would break through the high altitude overloaded wing modifications. With the 747 and 737 coming online, the 727 was dropped by Boeing and the rest is history. The design teams found that they could make some improvements through wing tip design. Boeing wasn't happy with changing anything that required extra structural changes. For non swept straight wings of constant chord three things stood out. Tip tanks of a roundish shape were OK and decreased higher angle of attack drag, but a swept up tip tank like the Cessna 310 worked a bit better, but so did an ugly flat plate (or fence), and a sloped up angled flat plate over 45 degrees was a benefit when fully loaded. These changes didn't help on the airliners as much as the lower slower aircraft. Increasing the flat plate upper height worked slightly better if installed vertically. Then Hoerner (in the late 40s) extended a straight constant chord wing and squared it (which also added wing area) giving it a slight under camber which improved heavier loading tolerance and decreased the drag due to lift but added parasite drag at the higher subsonic speeds. Hoerner's WWII experience indicated a slight decrease in the tip vortex and gave a 1-2% improvement in drag reduction. Especially on a straight wing like the Fieseler Storch which he was working on. However, as Professor Bondi pointed out, the Hoerner tip also increased wing area, so which was actually better? The extra wing area or the shape of the tip. Most aircraft manufacture's such as Piper and Cessna slightly changed their tips to a swept up design but a composites company out of Texas who I can't remember the name modified the tip further creating a downturn and a larger droop such as was done on to some aftermarket STCs on the Piper short wing and Hershy bar wing Cherokee aircraft. Today with our greater computer capability, you have found that efficiencies can be found through adding these "aerodynamic gimmicks" to allow some fixes to overloaded or poor designs. Just like any manufacturer, we builders are not excited about modifying our completed aircraft. But modifications can be tested if you are willing to carve some foam, glue onto the wing a mod and see how it works, then tear it off, sand, and repaint when done. I prefer to go after the max drag producers. Cooling drag and fixed gear drag. Most techniques we need are in the NASA or NACA wind tunnel tests and follow on experiments done over the years. That makes the computer programs we have far more fun to just look at ways to fix those pesky draggy parts like cowl inlets/outlets and wheel pant/gear leg improvements. Granted, engine cooling is a very time consuming data issue but cooling exit ideas and movable flaps that can enhance climb and streamline cruise. I'm one day am going to look at a plug in for the belly cowl exit incorporating a couple cowl flaps and perhaps a landing light that is retrofittable for the trigear. Wheel pants I took care of and made them improve mx and inspection and drag so I am sufficiently pleased enough to call them "Damned Adequate". Now to get some time this fall to work on my simple add on cowl exit. Keep on plugging. You all are having great discussions, and although not immediately applicable are interesting. Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Area-51 Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 6:30 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: The Obsidian Files - Wing Tips Yes, it is truly amazing the amount of mathematics a computer can quickly deal with these days. The Hoerner style chamfer tips are great; very unexpected result. Didn't even think to include tip tanks guess that would only apply to highly specialised long-haul versions of the Europa how much fuel could a europa possibly support... 280 litre perhaps , +%~ , 28-35 hours endurance... 2500-2800 miles .... fly around the world easy!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511245#511245


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    Time: 08:38:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "h&amp;jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
    The piston stop measures from the bottom of the threads .9 cm dia and 4.86 cm long. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511260#511260


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    Time: 03:58:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Thanks Jim; greatly appreciated. Can you tell me the length from the shoulder that butts up against the cylinder head when screwed in...thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511264#511264 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/e1c86eb6_c513_4865_a1d7_105e5b77c4b2_139.jpeg


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    Time: 06:22:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax Piston Stop Tool
    From: "h&amp;jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
    The dimension youre asking for with your sketch is 5.75 cm. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511267#511267




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