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1. 07:17 AM - Painting wings (n7188u)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: Painting wings (Alan Twigg)
3. 08:07 AM - Re: Painting wings (Pete)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: Painting wings (n7188u)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Painting wings (Pete)
6. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Painting wings (Pete)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Painting wings (Bud Yerly)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Painting wings (Pete)
9. 11:19 AM - Re: Painting wings (n7188u)
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Hello Europa friends,
I am working on prepping my wings for painting. Progress is very slow because of
the record heats. To the point I am doing blocking and priming but will probably
hold back on final top coat until October comes and temperatures drop a little.
But I was curious how some of you have setup the winds for painting. I primed them
two years ago by setting the wing on a sawhorse at the wing root at the spar
and another midway in the aileron well, leading edge up and trailing edge down
with a wood block in the aileron well supporting the tip end of the wing.
this worked well but I was told it is better to spray the wing horizontal, which
I agree.
The problem with that idea is how to hold the tip of the wing up. I have a wingtip
mounted light so could drill a larger hole were the light mounting plate is
located and put a pin there. But I am concerned about the strength of the tip
to be able to hold the wing.
Any experiences out there?
BTW, I am OK with spraying the parts with the surfaces vertical. I have painted
all control surfaces that way to practice and prepare for the wings and fuselage.
Also, it forces you to be more efficient and spray thinner coats hence less
weight.
But curious about how people have dealt with this.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
I had fitted the tie down mod and built a frame that screwed into this fitting.
We did however paint the wings horizontal.
Alan Twigg
Motorglider
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> On 15 Aug 2023, at 15:23, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello Europa friends,
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> I am working on prepping my wings for painting. Progress is very slow because
of the record heats. To the point I am doing blocking and priming but will probably
hold back on final top coat until October comes and temperatures drop a
little.
>
> But I was curious how some of you have setup the winds for painting. I primed
them two years ago by setting the wing on a sawhorse at the wing root at the
spar and another midway in the aileron well, leading edge up and trailing edge
down with a wood block in the aileron well supporting the tip end of the wing.
this worked well but I was told it is better to spray the wing horizontal, which
I agree.
>
> The problem with that idea is how to hold the tip of the wing up. I have a wingtip
mounted light so could drill a larger hole were the light mounting plate
is located and put a pin there. But I am concerned about the strength of the
tip to be able to hold the wing.
>
> Any experiences out there?
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> BTW, I am OK with spraying the parts with the surfaces vertical. I have painted
all control surfaces that way to practice and prepare for the wings and fuselage.
Also, it forces you to be more efficient and spray thinner coats hence
less weight.
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> But curious about how people have dealt with this.
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> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Troy manor added tip tubes to his classic wings and made custom height adjus
table rolling stands that simply plug in for rigging and any wing work (i as
sume also for painting).
Work fantastic!
-peteZ
The only (poor) pic i have of them.
Button covered hole:
> On Aug 15, 2023, at 10:32 AM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello Europa friends,
>
> I am working on prepping my wings for painting. Progress is very slow beca
use of the record heats. To the point I am doing blocking and priming but wi
ll probably hold back on final top coat until October comes and temperatures
drop a little.
>
> But I was curious how some of you have setup the winds for painting. I pri
med them two years ago by setting the wing on a sawhorse at the wing root at
the spar and another midway in the aileron well, leading edge up and traili
ng edge down with a wood block in the aileron well supporting the tip end of
the wing. this worked well but I was told it is better to spray the wing ho
rizontal, which I agree.
>
> The problem with that idea is how to hold the tip of the wing up. I have a
wingtip mounted light so could drill a larger hole were the light mounting p
late is located and put a pin there. But I am concerned about the strength o
f the tip to be able to hold the wing.
>
> Any experiences out there?
>
> BTW, I am OK with spraying the parts with the surfaces vertical. I have pa
inted all control surfaces that way to practice and prepare for the wings an
d fuselage. Also, it forces you to be more efficient and spray thinner coats
hence less weight.
>
> But curious about how people have dealt with this.
>
> Chris
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511272#511272
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Thanks Alan and Pete for good ideas.
Since I built my wing with no tiedown mod too late for that. But the hole is intriguing.
Pete, do you know if this is just a hole and relies on the strength
of the tip alone or is there any structure inside to support the wing weight?
I guess since you mentioned a tube, this tube probably extends to the outer most
rib which would help distribute the load.
I wonder if just a hole would be enough. The wing is not really that heavy at the
tip. I do have an aluminum plate for the wingtip light so that would at least
distribute the bearing load a bit around the hole. But not sure the wingtip
alone is enough to hold the load. Can't remember if the spar extended into the
tip. I would assume it stops at the outer rib.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Hi Chris,
Build pics at the hangar, and im laid up for a week from surgery.will check then
tho (likely too late fer ya)
Cheers,
Pete
> On Aug 15, 2023, at 11:35 AM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Alan and Pete for good ideas.
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> Since I built my wing with no tiedown mod too late for that. But the hole is
intriguing. Pete, do you know if this is just a hole and relies on the strength
of the tip alone or is there any structure inside to support the wing weight?
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> I guess since you mentioned a tube, this tube probably extends to the outer most
rib which would help distribute the load.
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> I wonder if just a hole would be enough. The wing is not really that heavy at
the tip. I do have an aluminum plate for the wingtip light so that would at least
distribute the bearing load a bit around the hole. But not sure the wingtip
alone is enough to hold the load. Can't remember if the spar extended into
the tip. I would assume it stops at the outer rib.
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> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Note, mine are foam classic wings..
Cheers,
PeteZ
> On Aug 15, 2023, at 11:35 AM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Alan and Pete for good ideas.
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> Since I built my wing with no tiedown mod too late for that. But the hole is
intriguing. Pete, do you know if this is just a hole and relies on the strength
of the tip alone or is there any structure inside to support the wing weight?
>
> I guess since you mentioned a tube, this tube probably extends to the outer most
rib which would help distribute the load.
>
> I wonder if just a hole would be enough. The wing is not really that heavy at
the tip. I do have an aluminum plate for the wingtip light so that would at least
distribute the bearing load a bit around the hole. But not sure the wingtip
alone is enough to hold the load. Can't remember if the spar extended into
the tip. I would assume it stops at the outer rib.
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> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Chris,
I've painted flat and vertical. I like flat and letting it dry but it take
s too long.
My painter and I simply clamped the spar firmly to a low six inch wide sawh
orse so it would stay vertical, and I fitted a 2-foot piece of 3/4 ply into
the aileron slot and made a couple of legs extending down to get the heigh
t and angle right. We found it easier to paint around than the tip tube an
d was a throw away when finished. The wide top saw horse was easy to safel
y clamp the spar securely.
I originally ripped and angle cut a form fitted 2x4 that was perfectly fit
and we could screw in through the aileron hinge screw holes. However, it w
as lost somewhere in the shop, so when the first ply support above was agai
n lost, we just ripped some ply to fit from floor to slot and put a couple
vertical end triangles to keep it vertical and stable. The painters prefer
red that for fast setup going from prime to seal then topcoating. 4 clamps
and a 4 foot square piece of ply was faster than waiting for me to install
a tube support on wings that didn't have any pre built supports.
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Painting wings
Thanks Alan and Pete for good ideas.
Since I built my wing with no tiedown mod too late for that. But the hole i
s intriguing. Pete, do you know if this is just a hole and relies on the st
rength of the tip alone or is there any structure inside to support the win
g weight?
I guess since you mentioned a tube, this tube probably extends to the outer
most rib which would help distribute the load.
I wonder if just a hole would be enough. The wing is not really that heavy
at the tip. I do have an aluminum plate for the wingtip light so that would
at least distribute the bearing load a bit around the hole. But not sure t
he wingtip alone is enough to hold the load. Can't remember if the spar ext
ended into the tip. I would assume it stops at the outer rib.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
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| Subject: | Re: Painting wings |
Once again, thanks for the replies.
Bud: What I did two years ago to prime the wings was exactly what you describe
(and you can see in the picture). And it worked well. I did use another sawhorse
at the aileron location and a piece of 2x4 into the aileron well.
I have learned the technique to paint on vertical surfaces, and you have to with
the fuselage anyway, so not too bad. It is just a bit more stressful because
there is such a miniscule line between a little too dry and sagging (but not
run). Imron and Durathane were a little more thixotropic in that regards and
held up better. The paint I am using is a bit unforgiving. But I got it, albeit
with a slight dry application.
Pete: I thought about figuring a way to mount the wing cantilever. It would be
great but require a bit of weight to keep balanced. I think I am just going to
do the vertical painting. But curious to learn what people have done to do this.
Chris
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