---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/08/23: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 05:18 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:26 AM - Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (Davidcripps) 2. 08:07 AM - CKT Exhausts update (Hitchflight) 3. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (Mike) 4. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (dpc@knightonweb.com) 5. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (Tim Ward) 6. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (Dpc) 7. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (timward) 8. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines (Dpc) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:13 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Reminder Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely through your Contributions during this time of the year. *Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another great year! Use a credit card or your PayPal account here: https://matronics.com/contribution Or, by sending a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines From: "Davidcripps" Here are a couple of photos of the new 16-row Mocal oil cooler installed on the back of the port radiator. Works a treat! PS. Glass wrap around exhaust has now been removed. It was only there as a 'back-up' as new oil cooler is much closer to the exhaust stub than before, but this hasn't seemed to cause any problems with the oil cooling. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511952#511952 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_and_installed_656.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/original_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_883.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_side_view_212.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: CKT Exhausts update From: "Hitchflight" https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/ckt-exhaust-update Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511953#511953 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:09 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines Hello David I haven't been following this but looking at what you have done I am pleased that it worked for you. I am unsure what engine you have but when I changed mine from 80HP to 100 HP as I half expected I immediately encountered oil cooling problems so fitted a chin inlet and located a larger oil cooler there removing the one behind the port radiator. This helped but did not solve the problem. At this point I fitted the 16 row as you have (in addition to the chin radiator), this solved the oil issue but promptly gave me water temp problems! I have now changed the 16 row for an 8 row which has still cured the oil issue and although the water temp issue is better it is not entirely cured. I am now considering whether a re- core of the water radiators might help. Just as a matter of interest I have not fitted firesleeve to any of my oil lines thinking that this would result in the maximum radiated heat. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Davidcripps Sent: 08 November 2023 15:26 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines Here are a couple of photos of the new 16-row Mocal oil cooler installed on the back of the port radiator. Works a treat! PS. Glass wrap around exhaust has now been removed. It was only there as a 'back-up' as new oil cooler is much closer to the exhaust stub than before, but this hasn't seemed to cause any problems with the oil cooling. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511952#511952 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_and_installed_656. jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/original_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_8 83.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_179.jp g http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_side_view_212.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:02 AM PST US From: "dpc@knightonweb.com" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines Interesting, Mike. Mine is a Europa Classic with the 80hp 912. It does have the very small coo ling intakes. Since the oil cooler sits behind the port radiator, I was concerned that th e extra =91blanking=92 created by the larger cooler might prove to be a pro blem with the water cooling but that doesn=92t appear to have happened. Bef ore changing the oil cooler, I did try carefully straightening out all the bent and damaged fins on the radiator and cleaning out the bugs in the hope that that might have helped improve the airflow through the radiator and o n into the oil cooler. Disappointingly it didn=92t seem to help at all, and my initial impression was that my radiator cleaning attempts may have made matters worse! Because of that, I did start down the road of looking at re placing the port radiator or getting it re-cored to improve airflow ' but I found both options would have been very expensive. I was very glad that none of that seemed to be necessary when the bigger oil cooler fixed the oi l temp problem straight away and without seeming to create any noticeable r ise in the water temps (which had never been a problem anyway). It seems to me that my =91winter maintenance=92 addition of the fire-sleeve to the oil lines was really the only change I had made from last year=92s configuration that might have contributed to the oil temp problem seen this year, so removing the sleeves was to have been my next course of action. H owever, now that the oil temps have come down so much more than expected, I =92m planning to leave the sleeves in place so will probably never know wha t they did or didn=92t do to the oil temps! I wonder if you really need any kind of oil cooler on the back of your radi ator now that you have an oil cooler in its own, much better chin location? Could you try removing the 8-row one entirely from the radiator and seeing if you=92d still have OK oil temps just using your large chin cooler? The other wisdom I have picked up from many other useful contributors to th is whole issue is the importance of air exit area, as well as to ensuring t hat all incoming air goes through the radiators and not round their edges. When we were in the midst of our major oil overheating problems, and away f rom base on a very hot day, we managed to get by through packing washers un der the bottom edge of the lower cowl to increase air exit area, as well as using foil tape to seal the edges of the radiators to the cowl. That made just enough of a difference to keep us going and get us home! If you need a 10-row oil cooler to play with then let me know, as mine is n ow redundant! David G-BWJH From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mike Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lin es Hello David I haven't been following this but looking at what you have done I am please d that it worked for you. I am unsure what engine you have but when I changed mine from 80HP to 100 HP as I half expected I immediately encountered oil cooling problems so fitted a chin inlet and located a larger oil cooler there removing the one behind the port radiator. This helped but did not solve the problem. At this point I fitted the 16 row as you have (in addition to the chin radiator), this solved the oil issue but promptly gave me water temp problems! I have now changed the 16 row for an 8 row which has still cured the oil issue and although the water temp issue is better it is not entirely cured. I am now considering whether a re- core of the water radiators might help. Just as a matter of interest I have not fitted firesleeve to any of my oil lines thinking that this would result in the maximum radiated heat. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Davidcripps Sent: 08 November 2023 15:26 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines Here are a couple of photos of the new 16-row Mocal oil cooler installed on the back of the port radiator. Works a treat! PS. Glass wrap around exhaust has now been removed. It was only there as a 'back-up' as new oil cooler is much closer to the exhaust stub than before, but this hasn't seemed to caus e any problems with the oil cooling. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511952#511952 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_and_installed_656 . jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/original_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_ 8 83.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_mounted_on_radiator_179.j p g http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_oil_cooler_side_view_212.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:49 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cooling impact of using firesleeve on oil lines --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. 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