---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/20/24: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 PM - Re: Rotax 912ULS oil consumption (h&jeuropa) 2. 11:25 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912ULS oil consumption (Alan Burrill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:08 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax 912ULS oil consumption From: "h&jeuropa" I have a different view on the oil check burping. According to the Rotax Operators Manual, 1. Remove bayonet cap from the oil tank, turn the propeller slowly by hand in direction of engine rotation several times to pump residual oil from the engine into the oil tank. 2 It is essential to build up compression in the combustion chamber. Maintain the pressure for a few seconds to let the gas flow via the piston rings into the crankcase. The speed of rotation is not important but rather the continuous pressure and the amount of gas which is transferred into the crankcase. 3 This process is finished when air is returning back to the oil tank and can be noticed by an audible gurgle from the open oil tank. 4 Check oil level and add oil if necessary. My understanding is that over time oil siphons from the tank back to the crankcase after the engine is shut down. "Burping" the engine uses compression to force the oil in the crankcase back into the tank. We operated our 914 for nearly 1300 hours until the compression in several cylinders got low enough that the engine no longer performed well. They were around 60/80 psi with a differential test and 85 psi with a conventional test. For the last several years we were unable to get the engine to burp prior to start, even rotating it 50 or 60 revolutions! We quit trying and instead when shutting down the engine, we checked the oil immediately since the tank was full and the siphoning had not yet started. Our new 914 burps after just a few turns and the compression is much higher, it's difficult to rotate. Notice that Rotax says to rotate slowly and to maintain the pressure to let the gas flow. That's exactly how we do it. You can feel the pressure drop and hear the air flowing. I'm surprised that burping after the last flight of the day and then checking the oil level the next day gives a satisfactory result. I'd think the oil would siphon back to the sump during that time. Just my thoughts and experience. Jim Butcher Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=513795#513795 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:44 PM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax 912ULS oil consumption I burp exactly as described after the last flight of day. There is no siphon back even over several days between flight. I think there is an air gap in the return to the tank, otherwise you wouldnt hear the burp, that prevents siphoning. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 21 Aug 2024, at 03:05, h&jeuropa wrote: > > > I have a different view on the oil check burping. > > According to the Rotax Operators Manual, > > 1. Remove bayonet cap from the oil tank, turn the propeller > slowly by hand in direction of engine rotation several > times to pump residual oil from the engine into the oil > tank. > > 2 It is essential to build up compression in the combustion > chamber. Maintain the pressure for a few seconds to let > the gas flow via the piston rings into the crankcase. The > speed of rotation is not important but rather the continuous > pressure and the amount of gas which is transferred > into the crankcase. > > 3 This process is finished when air is returning back to the > oil tank and can be noticed by an audible gurgle from > the open oil tank. > > 4 Check oil level and add oil if necessary. > > My understanding is that over time oil siphons from the tank back to the crankcase after the engine is shut down. "Burping" the engine uses compression to force the oil in the crankcase back into the tank. > > We operated our 914 for nearly 1300 hours until the compression in several cylinders got low enough that the engine no longer performed well. They were around 60/80 psi with a differential test and 85 psi with a conventional test. > > For the last several years we were unable to get the engine to burp prior to start, even rotating it 50 or 60 revolutions! We quit trying and instead when shutting down the engine, we checked the oil immediately since the tank was full and the siphoning had not yet started. > > Our new 914 burps after just a few turns and the compression is much higher, it's difficult to rotate. > > Notice that Rotax says to rotate slowly and to maintain the pressure to let the gas flow. That's exactly how we do it. You can feel the pressure drop and hear the air flowing. > > I'm surprised that burping after the last flight of the day and then checking the oil level the next day gives a satisfactory result. I'd think the oil would siphon back to the sump during that time. > > Just my thoughts and experience. > > Jim Butcher > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=513795#513795 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.