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1. 03:37 AM - Re: Mold in fuselage (philip george)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Mold in fuselage (William Daniell)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Mold in fuselage (Bud Yerly)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: Mold in fuselage (John Wigney)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Mold in fuselage (William Daniell)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: The Obsidian File - Mono Undercarriage ()
7. 11:23 AM - Re: Mold in fuselage (William Daniell)
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
In the UK we can buy packs of a chemical that can be hung in a wardrobe to
catch moisture in a damp climate. I use one hung in my aircraft in the wint
er they work well.
Phil George
Mono xs
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Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2025 3:30:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
Due to very wet summer i have mold in my fuselage. Any advice or solution
s?
Thanks
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
Thanks Philip. I will try that.
Anyone any thoughts on mold removal?
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 06:39 philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In the UK we can buy packs of a chemical that can be hung in a wardrobe to
> catch moisture in a damp climate. I use one hung in my aircraft in the
> winter they work well.
> Phil George
> Mono xs
>
> Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of William Daniell <
> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 26, 2025 3:30:54 PM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
>
> Due to very wet summer i have mold in my fuselage. Any advice or
> solutions?
> Thanks
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
Will,
Fiberglass resists mold because there is no food or moisture for the mold t
o grow. Of course, boat owners can't do that nor can we aircraft owners.
Aircraft collect dirt. During painting a fine sanding dust gets into every
nook and cranny. Fiberglass has a lot of little pits to collect this dust
. This dust collects pollen, and pollen is food for mold. In a moist env
ironment the grime then becomes a dark, warm, moist, environment. Any plan
e left out of doors on the ramp collects birds, insects, dust, dirt, grass
clippings and the inside of the fuselage becomes a toxic soup or grazing la
nd (depending on your point of view) for mold faster than a plane housed in
a dry hangar.
I clean the inside of aircraft (when I can) with soap and water with a brus
h and dried with a microfiber rag, then treat the inside with a thin wipe o
f bathroom mold remover. It is tedious and uncomfortable to do.
When the mold gets into the fabric that is a real mess. I use spray on mol
d remover used on patio cushions. like listed below.
My favorite detergents are Simple Green as it disinfects, cleans, works on
plane and boat covers etc. It is a reasonable plane wash but on the outsid
e, I use Dawn dish soap to get the outer grime off the outside rather than
Simple Green as it doesn't water spot. 409 is a good detergent but is hard
er on aluminum. CLR Pro Mold is good as it doesn't have bleach and works p
retty fast at clearing up spots of mold. that are around the door area. It
doesn't harm aluminum, but it leaves spots, so wipe it off. To wash the
outside I use a soft bristle brush for cars and dry with a squeege and cham
ois.
Inside I use a soft bristle brush to scrub the inside of the fuselage. Was
h then rinse using microfiber cloths and dry is the key. Carpet cleaner is
all I normally need and a good Shop Vac to help lift the dirt from glued o
n interior carpet and fabric. Leather gets treated with McGuires Leather c
leaner. Vinyl is plastic, so it just gets detergent and water and wiped dr
y.
Remember not to leave the inside of the plane wet. Wipe the interior dry a
fter washing/treatment and let the Florida Sun dry it out and it will keep
the plane looking good. To keep the interior dry some use desiccant. It c
an be a mess to keep in the plane as it is best to have it in a large sewn
bean bag. Take it out every week and bake at 200F to restore the pellets.
Some are available with heaters built in to make it easier to cycle the dr
yers. I don't like the Damp rid type but they seem to work. Sealing the p
lane from moisture is too hard to do. There is no perfect solution other t
han periodic cleaning. I do a wipe of the fuselage and the interior and cl
ean-up, on every annual. Otherwise, in 5-10 years the plane looks worn and
nasty.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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onics.com> on behalf of William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
Thanks Philip. I will try that.
Anyone any thoughts on mold removal?
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 06:39 philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com<mail
to:philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>> wrote:
In the UK we can buy packs of a chemical that can be hung in a wardrobe to
catch moisture in a damp climate. I use one hung in my aircraft in the wint
er they work well.
Phil George
Mono xs
Sent from Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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Subject: Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
Due to very wet summer i have mold in my fuselage. Any advice or solution
s?
Thanks
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
Hi Will,
I have had excellent results with 'Wet & Forget'
https://www.wetandforget.com/. It should work fine for your situation.
If you spray on the dilute solution, the mold will slowly disappear and
then it will not return.
Smooth landings.
Cheers, John
N262WF
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
I assume no effect on the fiberglass :-). Visible effect anyway
I wil try that.
I have been recommended a cleaner called "nine" by another owner.
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 10:33 John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net> wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> I have had excellent results with 'Wet & Forget'
> https://www.wetandforget.com/. It should work fine for your situation. If
> you spray on the dilute solution, the mold will slowly disappear and then
> it will not return.
>
> Smooth landings.
> Cheers, John
> N262WF
>
>
> *From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
>
> Due to very wet summer i have mold in my fuselage. Any advice or
> solutions?
> Thanks
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246*
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: The Obsidian File - Mono Undercarriage |
Erich,
On first flying the mono wheel we found the last bit of up travel required a
great effort and it also took a firm push to unlock. On suspending the
aircraft so that we could check out the operation, we found the flaps were
pressing hard against the sides of the fuselage as they reached the up
position. Trimming each flap root by 1/8 in / 3 mm removed this interference
and allowed easy operation of the gear both up and down.
I regard stiff operation of the gear as a distraction in flight and
therefore a safety hazard, so I urge anyone experiencing this problem to
carry out a retraction test to search for the cause - it may not be the flap
interference, but whatever the reason it should be possible to work on the
system so that it operates smoothly without difficulty. If the action
appears stiffer with the wings on than when they are off this provides a
good clue as to where the problem lies. So
Regards,
Mike
Europa Club safety officer
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Sent: 25 January 2025 18:13
Subject: Europa-List: RE: The Obsidian File - Mono Undercarriage
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Nice work Area-51.
Here's my take on the purpose of the bungee; to assist both the retract and
extension of the swing arm. I am still flying with the original bungee some
25 years after first installing it. I have re-tensioned it a couple of
times over the years. The issue I am currently experiencing, which is
driving me to the change out the bungee this year, is the gear extension.
Once the gear retraction lever is free of the up gate I have to be very
careful not to let the gear free fall and slam into the down gate. Now, my
flaps are decoupled from the outriggers, so I don't have the airloads to
deal with.
As noted by you and others, the last bit of up travel requires the most
effort. My technique is to pitch the plane forward just as I approach the
up gate. The pitching moment really helps get the landing gear retraction
lever into the gate. To lower the gear I perform the same action. A
slight push on the stick and the lever advances forward rising off of the up
gate stop, making it easy to deflect the lever out of the gate to lower the
gear. I just need to keep a firm grip on the lever to keep the gear from
free falling.
Erich
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| Subject: | Re: Mold in fuselage |
Thanks bud,
I don't have a terrible case. Its in the fuse tunnel...the tank/
controls area and parts of the rear fuse. Nooks and crannies mainly but
it seems also to like fuel lines. I also suspect that it will be
impossible fully to eliminate.
My plane is inside on a hard floor but the hanger is very porous. Maybe
a fan heater(s) would help especially in winter.
Agree with tedious and uncomfortable....but as they say, love hurts.
So far I've been using west marine mold and mildew remover safe for
plastics and fiberglass. Seems to work well but due to the comments im
now worried that unknown chemicals might promote corrosion.
My long term plan is to devise fuselage forced ventilation...working on
that and will report back. I also suspect that leaving outside in
florida sun once in a while will help.
Yours will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 09:43 Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Will,
> Fiberglass resists mold because there is no food or moisture for the mold
> to grow. Of course, boat owners can't do that nor can we aircraft owners.
> Aircraft collect dirt. During painting a fine sanding dust gets into
> every nook and cranny. Fiberglass has a lot of little pits to collect this
> dust. This dust collects pollen, and pollen is food for mold. In a moist
> environment the grime then becomes a dark, warm, moist, environment. Any
> plane left out of doors on the ramp collects birds, insects, dust, dirt,
> grass clippings and the inside of the fuselage becomes a toxic soup or
> grazing land (depending on your point of view) for mold faster than a plane
> housed in a dry hangar.
>
> I clean the inside of aircraft (when I can) with soap and water with a
> brush and dried with a microfiber rag, then treat the inside with a thin
> wipe of bathroom mold remover. It is tedious and uncomfortable to do.
>
> When the mold gets into the fabric that is a real mess. I use spray on
> mold remover used on patio cushions. like listed below.
>
> My favorite detergents are Simple Green as it disinfects, cleans, works on
> plane and boat covers etc. It is a reasonable plane wash but on the
> outside, I use Dawn dish soap to get the outer grime off the outside rather
> than Simple Green as it doesn't water spot. 409 is a good detergent but is
> harder on aluminum. CLR Pro Mold is good as it doesn't have bleach and
> works pretty fast at clearing up spots of mold. that are around the door
> area. It doesn't harm aluminum, but it leaves spots, so wipe it off. To
> wash the outside I use a soft bristle brush for cars and dry with a squeege
> and chamois.
>
> Inside I use a soft bristle brush to scrub the inside of the fuselage.
> Wash then rinse using microfiber cloths and dry is the key. Carpet cleaner
> is all I normally need and a good Shop Vac to help lift the dirt from glued
> on interior carpet and fabric. Leather gets treated with McGuires Leather
> cleaner. Vinyl is plastic, so it just gets detergent and water and wiped
> dry.
>
> Remember not to leave the inside of the plane wet. Wipe the interior dry
> after washing/treatment and let the Florida Sun dry it out and it will keep
> the plane looking good. To keep the interior dry some use desiccant. It
> can be a mess to keep in the plane as it is best to have it in a large sewn
> bean bag. Take it out every week and bake at 200F to restore the pellets.
> Some are available with heaters built in to make it easier to cycle the
> dryers. I don't like the Damp rid type but they seem to work. Sealing the
> plane from moisture is too hard to do. There is no perfect solution other
> than periodic cleaning. I do a wipe of the fuselage and the interior and
> clean-up, on every annual. Otherwise, in 5-10 years the plane looks worn
> and nasty.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bud Yerly
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of William Daniell <
> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 8:07 AM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
>
> Thanks Philip. I will try that.
>
> Anyone any thoughts on mold removal?
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 06:39 philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> In the UK we can buy packs of a chemical that can be hung in a wardrobe to
> catch moisture in a damp climate. I use one hung in my aircraft in the
> winter they work well.
> Phil George
> Mono xs
>
> Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of William Daniell <
> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 26, 2025 3:30:54 PM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Mold in fuselage
>
> Due to very wet summer i have mold in my fuselage. Any advice or
> solutions?
> Thanks
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
>
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