---------------------------------------------------------- EZ-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/18/07: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 PM - Re: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in (Joel Ventura) 2. 10:46 PM - Re: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in (Fred Weaver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:34 PM PST US From: Joel Ventura Subject: Re: EZ-List: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in Hi Weav. Only one of the seminars will have its main focus on an alternative engine. Steve's talk is mainly on building and flying the Defiant. Bob thought this would also be an good opportunity to have an additional discussion and comparison on Subaru vs Lycoming power, and I agreed. The Defiant is a good subject for this discussion since it has both a tractor and a pusher installation. And how will we know when these alternative engines have reached reliability and performance acceptable to us if we don't have an opportunity to listen to these guys and ask questions periodically to see how things are developing? And while these engines are a long way from demonstrating the reliability of certified engines, I don't think the situation is as bad as you implied. I have spoken to two VariEze builders, one Cozy builder, and two RV builders who use Subaru's and they are all relatively happy with their Subaru installations, though some certainly had more debugging to do than with certified engines. Every year I put out a call for seminar topics for this fly-in. I will be glad to try and obtain speakers for the topics that are of greatest interest to attendees. --Joel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:52 PM PST US From: Fred Weaver Subject: Re: EZ-List: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in Joel... I hate to be that guy that pours saltwater on the presentations...... And I mostly identify with Varieze's and Long Ez's... The Defiant sorta provides a little leeway with respect to engine failures given you have two of them. You guys are probably on the right track. I just have a lot of hours in 0-200 ez's and 0-235/0-320 Long Ez's and have some personal viewpoints. Honestly, the 0-320 really makes one helluva nice airplane out of a Long Ez. The 0-235 was great for LONG distances but would really hug the ground for quite a ways when loaded. The 0-360 is plenty of power but it doesn't buy much speed, only rate of climb. Whatever and wherever the Subaru can fit in, good luck to all. I like the Subaru engines.. Just don't know how they actually work out in the aviation vein that you guys are trying to fit them in on. I hope you are all successful with your installations and testing. I just couldn't afford the time and money to allow for failure. So much work to do behind that firewall......... Thanks Joel, Weav Joel Ventura wrote: > > Hi Weav. Only one of the seminars will have its main focus on an > alternative engine. Steve's talk is mainly on building and flying the > Defiant. Bob thought this would also be an good opportunity to have > an additional discussion and comparison on Subaru vs Lycoming power, > and I agreed. The Defiant is a good subject for this discussion since > it has both a tractor and a pusher installation. And how will we > know when these alternative engines have reached reliability and > performance acceptable to us if we don't have an opportunity to listen > to these guys and ask questions periodically to see how things are > developing? > And while these engines are a long way from demonstrating the > reliability of certified engines, I don't think the situation is as > bad as you implied. I have spoken to two VariEze builders, one Cozy > builder, and two RV builders who use Subaru's and they are all > relatively happy with their Subaru installations, though some > certainly had more debugging to do than with certified engines. > Every year I put out a call for seminar topics for this fly-in. I > will be glad to try and obtain speakers for the topics that are of > greatest interest to attendees. > --Joel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message ez-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/EZ-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/ez-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/ez-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.