---------------------------------------------------------- FEWMustang-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/11/03: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 PM - Re: FEW (HMS23TURBO@aol.com) 2. 04:04 PM - Re: FEW (LRE2@aol.com) 3. 05:06 PM - Re: FEW (Melvinke@aol.com) 4. 05:56 PM - Re: FEW (Cliff Hoyle) 5. 07:56 PM - Re: FEW (Gary Gerber) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:38 PM PST US From: HMS23TURBO@aol.com Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com Guys, Another mod that I have done after seeing the need, was to add a tube through the fuselage (forward of the tailwheel / behind the radiator scoop) much like the original had. I assume that North American had done this for transport / lifting; but I see our need as simply a better way of securing the aircraft for ground running. I've experienced both methods of tying down; one via the tailwheel, and two through the inspection holes under the horizontal stabilizer. Both have done damage to the aircraft (ask Robert Oliver, he ripped 6" gashes through the fuselage skins!) that this was applied to. The tube that I used was a .875 o.d. x .750 i.d. 6061 aluminum piece that I glued and glassed in from the inside. The ends are flush with the skin and almost invisible when painted. For ground running I put a steel bar through this tube and attach an eye on each end. From the eyes simply run tie down straps to whatever you are using as your anchor point on the ground. The position of my tube is as close as I could find to the original. This location is high enough and forward enough on the fuselage to keep the tail from "flying" if it is tied down properly. I've got pics. if anyone would like. Ed Hullinger ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:12 PM PST US From: LRE2@aol.com Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com Ed, put me on the list for some pictures. I have installed a tail tie down ring, by reinforcing the floor of the fuselage just aft of B/H 0170 with 8 plys of bid. Then I welded a 3/8" nut to a 3x4" square of 1/6"4130 screwed in place with #10 MS. A 3/8 ring bolt or fancy chrome pickup bed tiedown ring can be screwed in or removed as desired. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:55 PM PST US From: Melvinke@aol.com Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: Melvinke@aol.com I tried the same thing, but found it was in the way of the elevator push/pull tube. I now have a very strong reinforced area just aft of the tailwheel into which screws a removable tie-down. The tube through the rear fuselage of the full-scale Mustang was to elevate the tail for bore-sighting the guns. Ken Melvin. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:29 PM PST US From: "Cliff Hoyle" Subject: RE: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Cliff Hoyle" Ed, I follow all of your emails with interest and now am especially interested in the tie down tube. Yes, I would like pictures. Thanks, Cliff -----Original Message----- From: owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HMS23TURBO@aol.com Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com Guys, Another mod that I have done after seeing the need, was to add a tube through the fuselage (forward of the tailwheel / behind the radiator scoop) much like the original had. I assume that North American had done this for transport / lifting; but I see our need as simply a better way of securing the aircraft for ground running. I've experienced both methods of tying down; one via the tailwheel, and two through the inspection holes under the horizontal stabilizer. Both have done damage to the aircraft (ask Robert Oliver, he ripped 6" gashes through the fuselage skins!) that this was applied to. The tube that I used was a .875 o.d. x .750 i.d. 6061 aluminum piece that I glued and glassed in from the inside. The ends are flush with the skin and almost invisible when painted. For ground running I put a steel bar through this tube and attach an eye on each end. From the eyes simply run tie down straps to whatever you are using as your anchor point on the ground. The position of my tube is as close as I could find to the original. This location is high enough and forward enough on the fuselage to keep the tail from "flying" if it is tied down properly. I've got pics. if anyone would like. Ed Hullinger ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:21 PM PST US From: Gary Gerber <44gn@kconline.com> Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: FEW --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: Gary Gerber <44gn@kconline.com> ED. I was going ask about doing this. It's great Idea. Send me some pic's. Also Thanks for the pic's of the fuel hook ups. That really helps. I will put in the second line so if I want fuel injection it will be ready. I also was going to ask about cutting the tube at an angle. Great Idea. I wish more of the guys would get on line. Did you get your RFA newsletter? I see that Jack Hunt flew his FEW to Oshkosh. Are you in contact with him? I will be going to St Louis to see Ken Gotchell's wing and bring myself up to date. Take pic's and stuff. He is about ready to close his wing. Did you know he has Huey Long's wrecked plane? Get some good visuals that way. Have a good day. Gary HMS23TURBO@aol.com wrote: > --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com > > Guys, > > Another mod that I have done after seeing the need, was to add a tube through > the fuselage (forward of the tailwheel / behind the radiator scoop) much like > the original had. I assume that North American had done this for transport / > lifting; but I see our need as simply a better way of securing the aircraft > for ground running. I've experienced both methods of tying down; one via the > tailwheel, and two through the inspection holes under the horizontal stabilizer. > Both have done damage to the aircraft (ask Robert Oliver, he ripped 6" gashes > through the fuselage skins!) that this was applied to. The tube that I used > was a .875 o.d. x .750 i.d. 6061 aluminum piece that I glued and glassed in > from the inside. The ends are flush with the skin and almost invisible when > painted. For ground running I put a steel bar through this tube and attach an eye > on each end. From the eyes simply run tie down straps to whatever you are using > as your anchor point on the ground. The position of my tube is as close as I > could find to the original. This location is high enough and forward enough on > the fuselage to keep the tail from "flying" if it is tied down properly. I've > got pics. if anyone would like. > > Ed Hullinger >