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1. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (HMS23TURBO@aol.com)
2. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (Harold Anderson)
3. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (HMS23TURBO@aol.com)
4. 11:32 AM - canopy questions (HMS23TURBO@aol.com)
5. 12:12 PM - Re: canopy questions (Harold Anderson)
6. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (LRE2@aol.com)
7. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (HMS23TURBO@aol.com)
8. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (Harold Anderson)
9. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (LRE2@aol.com)
10. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (Harold Anderson)
11. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (HMS23TURBO@aol.com)
12. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (Harold Anderson)
13. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (PolymerDesign@aol.com)
14. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (PolymerDesign@aol.com)
15. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: (Harold Anderson)
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
What holes did you put in the canopy. - There shouldn't be any!
By the way, I've got a motor mount that was originally built in Ardmore that
I'm tuning up and will send your way - no cost.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
Ed,
In the manual it clearly shows the 10/32 screws in the canopy bow
retaining aluminum angles going through the canopy plexi, is this wrong?
Thanks for the motor mount.
Andy
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Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest:
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
What holes did you put in the canopy. - There shouldn't be any!
By the way, I've got a motor mount that was originally built in Ardmore
that
I'm tuning up and will send your way - no cost.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
No, you don't want any holes in the canopy. You'll get cracks for sure
originating at the hole locations. The manual shows attaching the aluminum framework
to the bows only, 90 degrees around the bow from the canopy sides. The canopy
is glued in place. Same with the front windshield pieces.
Ed
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| Subject: | canopy questions |
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
If your manual does depict the canopy being bolted in I would like to know
more about it so that we can make any needed changes to any new manuals that are
printed. The master manual that I have here doesn't show that being the case,
but we all know that the manual has had numerous errors and rewrites and
quite possibly the version you have may this in it.
Let me know.
Ed
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| Subject: | canopy questions |
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
Ed,
My drawing shows the canopy through bolted at the top and sides with
10-32 screws. I cross referenced this with some pictures I have on
actual P51s and several of them show screws along the top and sides of
both the canopy and windshield bows, so I assumed that the drawings were
correct. I am going to over size the holes to relieve some of the
pressure from the screws, I will use the 60 degree bit that ken talked
about to open the hole. If I'm doing something wrong let me know.
Andy
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Subject: FEWMustang-List: canopy questions
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
If your manual does depict the canopy being bolted in I would like to
know
more about it so that we can make any needed changes to any new manuals
that are
printed. The master manual that I have here doesn't show that being the
case,
but we all know that the manual has had numerous errors and rewrites and
quite possibly the version you have may this in it.
Let me know.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
Ed, Agree. In fact, the front windshield pieces are so securely held by the
surrounds. (No holes, just rounded notches) that I question whether they need
to be glued.
Is the new Web site up yet? LRE
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Larry,
The new site is done just waiting to get the domain name freed up from
Ardmore.
I'm concerned that Andy's canopy is going to crack no matter what precautions
he takes now that holes are in place.
I received your alternator yesterday (nice!) and will get a pulley on it
early next week and send it, the governor and bracket, and firewall water
pass-through up to you at that time.
Ed
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| Subject: | RE: FEWMustang-List Digest: |
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
Ed, Larry
The front windshield Plexi was not drilled, the canopy and the side
glass was. I could grind or cut out the holes and make them like
windshields rounded notches if you think that would help. I have not
found any cracks in the area of the holes as of yet, the one crack that
I do have is not related to a drill hole.
Andy
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Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest:
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Larry,
The new site is done just waiting to get the domain name freed up from
Ardmore.
I'm concerned that Andy's canopy is going to crack no matter what
precautions
he takes now that holes are in place.
I received your alternator yesterday (nice!) and will get a pulley on it
early next week and send it, the governor and bracket, and firewall
water
pass-through up to you at that time.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
Andy, for the side panels, converting the holes to rounded notches might
help, they are quite a bit thicker. Using a fine sanding drum on a Dremel tool
makes them nice and smooth, and also heats the edges slightly during the process,
rather than chipping. As for the canopy, I don't know. I'll defer to Ken
Gottchall on this one. LRE
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| Subject: | RE: FEWMustang-List Digest: |
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
Thanks,
Any help at this point would be welcome
Andy
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Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest:
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
Andy, for the side panels, converting the holes to rounded notches might
help, they are quite a bit thicker. Using a fine sanding drum on a
Dremel tool
makes them nice and smooth, and also heats the edges slightly during the
process,
rather than chipping. As for the canopy, I don't know. I'll defer to
Ken
Gottchall on this one. LRE
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
I gotta go with Larry on this one -- Ken is the expert here. Depending how
close to the edge you drilled the holes, you might be able to trim a strip off
and eliminate them all together. It doesn't take much to hold the canopy in due
to the fact that there is so much area to bond.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
I thought of that I do have the area, so I'll look at that tomorrow
Thanks
Andy
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Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest:
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com
Andy,
I gotta go with Larry on this one -- Ken is the expert here. Depending
how
close to the edge you drilled the holes, you might be able to trim a
strip off
and eliminate them all together. It doesn't take much to hold the canopy
in due
to the fact that there is so much area to bond.
Ed
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: PolymerDesign@aol.com
Hi. I'm glad I've help. As a general rule you do not want to drill into
clear plastic unless you absolutley must. You will not see any cracks from the
drilling. They are microscopic and will show up many months ahead when
vibration is introduced. color plastics are not generally affected with this craze
problem because a rubber based additive is added- but clear is different. If
you already have holes in canopy, which you should not have,I would recommend
that the holes be redrilled much oversize with the 60 degree bit only,not
champered or notched, so that the attaching screws DO NOT TOUCH THE plastic either
plex or Lexan. Don't notch or otherwise affect the existing hole other than
enlarging. Lexan for your windscreen is JUST as prone as plex to crack
propogation even though it can stop a 45 bullet. Don't ask me to explain that
one
but it is fact. Your loyal plastic engineer. Ken
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: PolymerDesign@aol.com
Trimming away the holes would be good as long as you use a special fine tooth
saw and cut slowly NO notches at all on cut edge even when viewed with
jewelers eye piece. Eliminating holes is best option but if you trim stop whenever
plastic sawdust becomes other than powder sort of crumbly. Wait 5 min for
blade and plex to cool. Never push saw thru material, sort of nibble if you get
my drift. Ken
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--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Harold Anderson" <andy_lindaanderson@msn.com>
Thanks Ken,
You said that colored plastics don't have this problem, what about any
uv coatings? This canopy has a noticeable gray-brown uv coloring to it.
Andy
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Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest:
--> FEWMustang-List message posted by: PolymerDesign@aol.com
Trimming away the holes would be good as long as you use a special fine
tooth
saw and cut slowly NO notches at all on cut edge even when viewed with
jewelers eye piece. Eliminating holes is best option but if you trim
stop whenever
plastic sawdust becomes other than powder sort of crumbly. Wait 5 min
for
blade and plex to cool. Never push saw thru material, sort of nibble if
you get
my drift. Ken
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