---------------------------------------------------------- FEWMustang-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/11/05: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:20 AM - Re: PRSU delivery (Tore S. Bristol) 2. 09:40 AM - Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 (Kenneth Melvin) 3. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 (Tore S. Bristol) 4. 01:31 PM - Fw: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang (Tore S. Bristol) 5. 01:45 PM - Re: PRSU delivery (Tore S. Bristol) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:39 AM PST US From: "Tore S. Bristol" Subject: FEWMustang-List: Re: PRSU delivery --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Tore S. Bristol" Tom, thank you for the sympatetic words.I had a wife like that once so I know the symptoms! As you may have seen I paid for my unit 2 years ago, when it according to Ed was finished. At first I was not even interested in this PSRU after all the problems FEW had with it, but Ed kept bombarding me with E-mails telling me mine was next in line for delivery. Now I think Ed may have solved most of the problems, but that does not help me, as my project has been at a standstill for 18 months waiting for the PSRU. As you can see from the mail Ed posted on the list today, he is now going to send it right away; for the 16th time !!!!! He also said that in early April 05; as soon as he got my adress in FL ( which he has had for 18 months or more) He said the same again on July the 6th ; You will have it ALL by the end of the month. Meaning I guess the PSRU AND the money he owes me. So I have seen it all before, but I guess he posted this mail to make himself and Legendary Aircraft LLC look better. What happens every time is this; after promising to send it right away he goes silent for a couple of months and the whole charade starts all over again. And usually some catch 22 comes up after he promises to ship it. I am sure that will happen this time too. And there are about 6 other people waiting for their units after me !!!! It would not be so bad if he had come clean and worked something out with us, instead of lying, and making promises he does not intend to keep. I do not know if he thinks he can get away with this because I live in Norway most of the year, but I am not taking this anymore. I cannot understand him; he must surelely understand he will have a very hard time making a go of the company as long as his credibility is below zero ? As to his location; I belive he has now moved to Santa Paula airport in CA. Regards Tore Moss Norway/Lake City FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Barnes To: tf51@c2i.net Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: PRSU delivery Tore, I have been lurking on this list for a long time now and have observed your conversations with Ed. I have a sister-in-law who has the same profile of this guy. It is a sickness for her and may be for Ed. At this point, I can't imagine you getting your delivery. Where does this guy live? Maybe a dead skunk in his bed might get his attention. Tom NE Illinois ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:36 AM PST US From: Kenneth Melvin Subject: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: Kenneth Melvin Well said, Ed! I believe most of us understand the extent of your commitment to quality and the success of the enterprise, along with your honest determination to make good any inherited arrears. You deserve our congratulations for the progress to date, and best wishes for a successful venture with Legendary Aircraft. Kenneth Melvin FEW P51D -----Original Message----- From: owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FEWMustang-List Digest Server Subject: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete FEWMustang-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the FEWMustang-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Bristol" George, I am really tired of this problem with Ed, and it is quite clear that he does not have, and never will have the PSRU I paid for. I notice you have never answered my question; have you ever seen the unit he claims have been "ready to ship" for the last 2 years? I distinctly remember in CA last fall you saying you would have nothing to do with Ed and the new company if you found he was not honest!! Really!! How much proof do you need? He promised AGAIN that I would have it by the end of the month. (July) but of course I have heard nothing since July 6th. So I=B4ll go ahead and get legal advice from my lawyer neighbour in the airpark,and prepare a statement to post to all web sites I can think of, as well as Sport Aviation, Kitplanes and so on. This is not something I am happy about, but Ed is a liar and has stolen my money, so I=B4ll try to warn as many as I can. We have a saying in Norway; "He shot himself in the foot" and that is what Ed is doing here. I think he will have a hard time making a go of the company after that, but that is his choice. I am not happy on behalf of the investors, but Ed has had 2 years to put this right. You know of course that he also owes Dave Bothe 25000$? Regards Tore ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:32 PM PST US From: HMS23TURBO@aol.com Subject: FEWMustang-List: Re: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com Tore, I have nothing to say but that I am truly sorry for all of the aggravation that I have caused. I have obviously bitten off more than I can chew taking on all of the old headaches from FEW. The delays are justified but I will no longer make these excuses. I will simply ship your unit un-tested and leave it at that. This makes me very uncomfortable, and as a pilot yourself I'm sure that you understand my apprehension in doing this. I have seen two crashed aircraft due to PSRU failures and read about many more and am doing all I can to prevent even more such incidences. Take it from someone that has flown behind an automotive engine turning max rpms on takeoff- it is damned scary at times and the PSRU is a necessary link in the system - one not to be taken lightly. Having said that, I just need a shipping address and the unit is on it's way. Again, I apologize and only hope that we can see past this situation and find a solution in the near future to getting the proper test procedures completed on this unit prior to your first flight. I am guilty of many, many screw ups in doing this business, but I have never wanted to cut corners or take chances on items as critical as a PSRU. I'm sure that you will understand that I will have to generate some sort of liability waiver since we are proceeding this way. Please accept my apology Tore. I'm not the bad guy that you make me out to be. I am just one guy simply struggling to hold this all together and rebuild the company into what we all need to support and maintain our projects. Without an ongoing FEW / Legendary Aircraft LLC entity, we will all own worthless orphan aircraft that have no place in the industry and have little or no value. Ed Hullinger ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:32 PM PST US From: "Tore S. Bristol" Subject: Re: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Tore S. Bristol" Ken, This is nearly the same he said in March, but is still untrue, so I cant see what is so well said. I have actually asked to get the PSRU untested, but big surprise; I did not get it " by the end of the month" as promised this time either. I have no problem seeing Eds commitment, but I honestly belive he should have delivered what he said was ready and therefor paid for before commiting himself further. He may also well be honest, but I have to judge him by his actions against me. And the fact is that he told me my 2 years ago my PSRU was finished, and then asked to be paid. That I did, and on top of that he has $2000 of my money. He has been promising to send the PSRU AND my money 15 times for in theese 2 years!!! If that is honest you certainly have a different definition of honest from us in Europe. I remember we have discussed all this on the net, and also in CA last fall. If I am not mistaken you have got your PSRU, so it is easy to be patient, while I have paid good money + the $2000 Ed has kept, and have nothing. And I really need it; my project has come to a halt waiting for it. Regards Tore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Melvin" Subject: FEWMustang-List: RE: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 > --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: Kenneth Melvin > > > Well said, Ed! I believe most of us understand the extent of your > commitment > to quality and the success of the enterprise, along with your honest > determination to make good any inherited arrears. You deserve our > congratulations for the progress to date, and best wishes for a successful > venture with Legendary Aircraft. > Kenneth Melvin > FEW P51D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-fewmustang-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > FEWMustang-List Digest Server > To: FEWMustang-List Digest List > Subject: FEWMustang-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/10/05 > > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete FEWMustang-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in > HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and > Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the > FEWMustang-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such > as > Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/fewmustang-list/Digest.FEWMustang-List.2005- > 08-10.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/fewmustang-list/Digest.FEWMustang-List.2005- > 08-10.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > FEWMustang-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 08/10/05: 2 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 01:01 PM - Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang (Tore S. > Bristol) > 2. 10:06 PM - Re: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang > (HMS23TURBO@aol.com) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:01:50 PM PST US > From: "Tore S. Bristol" > Subject: FEWMustang-List: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang > > --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Tore S. Bristol" > > George, > I am really tired of this problem with Ed, and it is quite clear that he > does not have, and never will have the PSRU I paid for. > I notice you have never answered my question; have you ever seen the unit > he > claims have been "ready to ship" for the last 2 years? > I distinctly remember in CA last fall you saying you would have nothing to > do with Ed and the new company if you found he was not honest!! > Really!! > How much proof do you need? > He promised AGAIN that I would have it by the end of the month. (July) > but > of course I have heard nothing since July 6th. > So I=B4ll go ahead and get legal advice from my lawyer neighbour in the > airpark,and prepare a statement to post to all web sites I can think of, > as > well as Sport Aviation, Kitplanes and so on. > This is not something I am happy about, but Ed is a liar and has stolen my > money, so I=B4ll try to warn as many as I can. > We have a saying in Norway; "He shot himself in the foot" and that is what > Ed is doing here. > I think he will have a hard time making a go of the company after that, > but > that is his choice. > I am not happy on behalf of the investors, but Ed has had 2 years to put > this right. > You know of course that he also owes Dave Bothe 25000$? > > Regards > Tore > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:06:32 PM PST US > From: HMS23TURBO@aol.com > Subject: FEWMustang-List: Re: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang > > --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: HMS23TURBO@aol.com > > Tore, > > I have nothing to say but that I am truly sorry for all of the aggravation > that I have caused. I have obviously bitten off more than I can chew > taking > on > > all of the old headaches from FEW. The delays are justified but I will no > longer make these excuses. I will simply ship your unit un-tested and > leave > it > > at that. This makes me very uncomfortable, and as a pilot yourself I'm > sure > that you understand my apprehension in doing this. I have seen two > crashed > aircraft due to PSRU failures and read about many more and am doing all I > can to prevent even more such incidences. Take it from someone that has > flown behind an automotive engine turning max rpms on takeoff- it is > damned > scary at > > times and the PSRU is a necessary link in the system - one not to be > taken > lightly. Having said that, I just need a shipping address and the unit is > on it's > > way. > > Again, I apologize and only hope that we can see past this situation and > find a solution in the near future to getting the proper test procedures > completed on this unit prior to your first flight. I am guilty of many, > many screw > > ups in doing this business, but I have never wanted to cut corners or > take > chances on items as critical as a PSRU. I'm sure that you will understand > that I will have to generate some sort of liability waiver since we are > proceeding this way. > > Please accept my apology Tore. I'm not the bad guy that you make me out to > be. I am just one guy simply struggling to hold this all together and > rebuild > > the company into what we all need to support and maintain our projects. > Without an ongoing FEW / Legendary Aircraft LLC entity, we will all own > worthless > > orphan aircraft that have no place in the industry and have little or no > value. > > Ed Hullinger > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:39 PM PST US From: "Tore S. Bristol" Subject: FEWMustang-List: Fw: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Tore S. Bristol" ----- Original Message ----- From: Tore S. Bristol Subject: Re: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang Ed, You have said so before, and it does not help me much. It is certainly good that you dont want to cut any corners, but how about leveling with me, and stop lying when you say you are sending the PSRU and the money that you have kept? I accept your apology, but you have said the same before, last time in March 05, and it sounds sort of hollow after a few times. I am not making you out to be a bad guy, you manage that yourself by your actions. It is up to you to prove you are not. And my project has been an wortless orphan for 18 mnts thanks to you. And please stop hiding behind FEW/Legendary Aircraft, it was not even started until well over 18 months AFTER you said my PSRU was finished, and has nothing to do with me in that respect. I have been more than patient with you, and this is it. You are again asking for my adress, which I have given many times, last on March 2nd when you were going to ship it " within a week" AGAIN !! Adress; Tore S Bristol 408 SW Airpark Glen Lake City 32025 FL I am returning to Lake City tomorrow, and if I do not have information that it has been shipped ( including a tracking no) by next friday Aug 19th I will take the steps I have outlined to George. That includes postings to warn people not to do business with you on every aviation related web site I can think of. Also I have a draft for a warning to be sent to Sport Aviation- Kitplanes and similar magazines. I will also consult the lawyer in the airpark about legal action. I hate to do this, but after 2 years of deceit it seems to be the only way. The PSRU, when shipped will be complete with nothing missing, and in perfect working order. AND NO MORE OF THE: " IT WILL SHIP NEXT WEEK/ YOU WILL HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE MONTH/ CAN I HAVE 3 WEEKS TO TEST IT" BULLSHIT. I have heard that for 2 years, and I have had it Hope I have made myself clear Regards Tore. ----- Original Message ----- From: HMS23TURBO@aol.com To: tf51@c2i.net Cc: fewmustang-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Ed Hullinger/PSRU/Authentic TF51 Mustang Tore, I have nothing to say but that I am truly sorry for all of the aggravation that I have caused. I have obviously bitten off more than I can chew taking on all of the old headaches from FEW. The delays are justified but I will no longer make these excuses. I will simply ship your unit un-tested and leave it at that. This makes me very uncomfortable, and as a pilot yourself I'm sure that you understand my apprehension in doing this. I have seen two crashed aircraft due to PSRU failures and read about many more and am doing all I can to prevent even more such incidences. Take it from someone that has flown behind an automotive engine turning max rpms on takeoff- it is damned scary at times and the PSRU is a necessary link in the system - one not to be taken lightly. Having said that, I just need a shipping address and the unit is on it's way. Again, I apologize and only hope that we can see past this situation and find a solution in the near future to getting the proper test procedures completed on this unit prior to your first flight. I am guilty of many, many screw ups in doing this business, but I have never wanted to cut corners or take chances on items as critical as a PSRU. I'm sure that you will understand that I will have to generate some sort of liability waiver since we are proceeding this way. Please accept my apology Tore. I'm not the bad guy that you make me out to be. I am just one guy simply struggling to hold this all together and rebuild the company into what we all need to support and maintain our projects. Without an ongoing FEW / Legendary Aircraft LLC entity, we will all own worthless orphan aircraft that have no place in the industry and have little or no value. Ed Hullinger ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:28 PM PST US From: "Tore S. Bristol" Subject: FEWMustang-List: Re: PRSU delivery --> FEWMustang-List message posted by: "Tore S. Bristol" Tom, thanks again for your moral support, I am really tired of this. I have been over to see him twice, but every time he has promised " it is ready next week" or similar. I actually have a friend in Tampa who is a retired policeman (HUGE) who have offered to look him up when he is out there on classic car business. But I thought I would try with legal means. I am Norwegian and feel I need to this right, but I am ready to take action by the end of next week. If that does not work I might look at other options. Tore ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Barnes To: Tore S. Bristol Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: PRSU delivery Tore, I feel for you especially because you are across the country in Fla. and can not walk up and knock on his door with a few strong arm friends. The next time he makes a promise, you should hire someone to pick it up for you. Maybe an off duty police/security officer. Or, put him on the hot seat and tell him no need to send it, that sometime within the next month your "boys" will be over to pick it up. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Tore S. Bristol To: fewmustang-list@matronics.com Cc: Tom Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:19 AM Subject: Re: PRSU delivery Tom, thank you for the sympatetic words.I had a wife like that once so I know the symptoms! As you may have seen I paid for my unit 2 years ago, when it according to Ed was finished. At first I was not even interested in this PSRU after all the problems FEW had with it, but Ed kept bombarding me with E-mails telling me mine was next in line for delivery. Now I think Ed may have solved most of the problems, but that does not help me, as my project has been at a standstill for 18 months waiting for the PSRU. As you can see from the mail Ed posted on the list today, he is now going to send it right away; for the 16th time !!!!! He also said that in early April 05; as soon as he got my adress in FL ( which he has had for 18 months or more) He said the same again on July the 6th ; You will have it ALL by the end of the month. Meaning I guess the PSRU AND the money he owes me. So I have seen it all before, but I guess he posted this mail to make himself and Legendary Aircraft LLC look better. What happens every time is this; after promising to send it right away he goes silent for a couple of months and the whole charade starts all over again. And usually some catch 22 comes up after he promises to ship it. I am sure that will happen this time too. And there are about 6 other people waiting for their units after me !!!! It would not be so bad if he had come clean and worked something out with us, instead of lying, and making promises he does not intend to keep. I do not know if he thinks he can get away with this because I live in Norway most of the year, but I am not taking this anymore. I cannot understand him; he must surelely understand he will have a very hard time making a go of the company as long as his credibility is below zero ? As to his location; I belive he has now moved to Santa Paula airport in CA. Regards Tore Moss Norway/Lake City FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Barnes To: tf51@c2i.net Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: PRSU delivery Tore, I have been lurking on this list for a long time now and have observed your conversations with Ed. I have a sister-in-law who has the same profile of this guy. It is a sickness for her and may be for Ed. At this point, I can't imagine you getting your delivery. Where does this guy live? Maybe a dead skunk in his bed might get his attention. Tom NE Illinois