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1. 11:18 AM - (st.ellison@comcast.net)
2. 11:25 AM - Re: (Bruce Gray)
3. 12:10 PM - Re: (Dj Merrill)
4. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: (N16cd@aol.com)
5. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: (Dj Merrill)
6. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: (N16cd@aol.com)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: (Dj Merrill)
8. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: (Jeff Siebenhaar)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: (N16cd@aol.com)
10. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: (N16cd@aol.com)
11. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: (Dj Merrill)
12. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: (steve korney)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: (Neal Garvin)
14. 11:14 PM - G-III for sale or ??? (st.ellison@comcast.net)
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: st.ellison@comcast.net
Anyone interested in a full G-III kit with engine and factory assembled Future
Vision Panel? Or do you think there is any opportunity for selling off the parts
individually?
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
You'll have to be more specific as to what you have.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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Anyone interested in a full G-III kit with engine and factory assembled
Future Vision Panel? Or do you think there is any opportunity for
selling off the parts individually?
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 14:18, st.ellison@comcast.net wrote:
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> Anyone interested in a full G-III kit with engine and factory assembled Future
Vision Panel? Or do you think there is any opportunity for selling off the parts
individually?
Someone might be. I'd include a detailed list of what
you have, and a rough asking price. Try posting it on
barnstormers.com and trade-a-plane, places like that.
IMHO, I would not part out the G-III kit, but
you might be able to sell the engine and panel separately
if no takers for everything together.
Just my half cents worth...
-Dj
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
Don't make the mistake of parting out the kit. You may be left with very
expensive parts nobody wants. I would advertise in Trade A Plane because you would
have world wide exposure. Purchasing a complete kit from a private party is
more desirable rather than purchasing a kit from the company. The reason is,
the buyer has less risk off losing their money. Since taking over the assets of
Stoddard Hamilton, The New Glas Air has done nothing to improve the Glasair
line. Many feel that the company is in a state of stagnation and it will only be
a matter of time before the line becomes stale, slower in speed and outdated.
On the other hand, Van's aircraft and Lancair constantly offer new products
and speed modifications to their aircraft. When you go to Sun and Fun look
where all the action is...at Lancair and Vans Aircraft!!. The New Glasair tent
appears to be vacant, quiet and downbeat. Many feel The NewGlasair missed a
great opprotunity to come forth with a new generation of high performance
aircraft. Ask The New Glasair about carbon fiber, speed fairings and cowlings and
all
you get is a tired blank stare.
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 15:35, N16cd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
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> Don't make the mistake of parting out the kit. You may be left with very
> expensive parts nobody wants. I would advertise in Trade A Plane because you
would
> have world wide exposure. Purchasing a complete kit from a private party is
> more desirable rather than purchasing a kit from the company.
This I agree with, but the reason is generally because you
can usually buy it for several thousand dollars cheaper.
You just have to make sure you get the complete kit
with no missing pieces.
> The reason is,
> the buyer has less risk off losing their money. Since taking over the assets
of
> Stoddard Hamilton, The New Glas Air has done nothing to improve the Glasair
> line. Many feel that the company is in a state of stagnation and it will only
be
> a matter of time before the line becomes stale, slower in speed and outdated.
> On the other hand, Van's aircraft and Lancair constantly offer new products
> and speed modifications to their aircraft. When you go to Sun and Fun look
> where all the action is...at Lancair and Vans Aircraft!!. The New Glasair tent
> appears to be vacant, quiet and downbeat. Many feel The NewGlasair missed a
> great opprotunity to come forth with a new generation of high performance
> aircraft. Ask The New Glasair about carbon fiber, speed fairings and cowlings
and all
> you get is a tired blank stare.
I definitely do not agree with this. In the short
time that NG has been in the business, they have focused on
developing the Glastar/Sportsman line, and they
have had nothing but excellent support for their Glasair
customers. I could not see them trying to develop
TWO aircraft designs at once, and they went with
the Sportsman. That says nothing about whether or not
they are going to develop the Glasair line (I personally
would like to see a 4 seat version).
At Sun-N-Fun there were tons of people mulling around the
NG tent, and to me did not appear vacant or quiet at all.
Not sure where your information came from on that count.
All in all, NG seems to be doing a great job
supporting their customers with an already excellent
Glasair product line.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering
ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
You may disagree with me, but thirteen years ago I built an Oshkosh winning
Glasair that I have traveled all over the US, Canada, Bahamas and have also
raced. I go to S&F every year and have been to the NG tent many times and have
witnessed things for myself. If you were a speed freak and offered a new Glasair
111 or a new Lancair Legacy we know which one you would take. Lancair
Legacies drivers love waxing the asses of Glasair 111 drivers. I receive many E-Mails
from other Glasair builder/ owners. The disscussion I have with other Glasair
owners is the lack of NG inovation into the GLASAIR. Three drivers have no
interest in Glas Stars and are a completely different animal than a Glas Star
"sports man". You may have answered your own question when you talked about the
Glas Star. Porsches and Escorts don't mix.
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 16:22, N16cd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
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> You may disagree with me, but thirteen years ago I built an Oshkosh winning
> Glasair that I have traveled all over the US, Canada, Bahamas and have also
> raced. I go to S&F every year and have been to the NG tent many times and have
> witnessed things for myself. If you were a speed freak and offered a new Glasair
> 111 or a new Lancair Legacy we know which one you would take. Lancair
> Legacies drivers love waxing the asses of Glasair 111 drivers. I receive many
E-Mails
> from other Glasair builder/ owners. The disscussion I have with other Glasair
> owners is the lack of NG inovation into the GLASAIR. Three drivers have no
> interest in Glas Stars and are a completely different animal than a Glas Star
> "sports man". You may have answered your own question when you talked about the
> Glas Star. Porsches and Escorts don't mix.
I have no problem with us disagreeing - I'm sure there
are many people out there that do not share my opinions... *grin*
It just seems like you are taking a very limited view and only
focusing on one aspect of New Glasair. I own a Glasair 1 FT,
and I *still* get support from NG. That goes a long way in my book.
I am not a speed freak, I just want a reasonably fast
cross-country plane, and that's what I have. The GII and GIII
are improvements over my plane. Porches and Jeeps (a more
appropriate description of the Glastar/Sportsman) can mix,
and quite well, as New Glasair is demonstrating quite capably.
They are catering to both utilty and speed crowds, and doing it well.
I really don't see where your beef is. If you really hate NG that
much, go buy something else. That's your choice, but you don't
have to bash NG while you are doing it. From my perspective
they are doing a great job.
-Dj
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: Jeff Siebenhaar <jeffs@ostari.com>
There is certainly something to be said for both schools of thought. If I might
offer
another from someone who has inheirted a GIII project but has been in love with
them from
the moment I laid eyes on one. Because of that love I wish them to be around and
to prosper
through innovation. It is GREAT the NG is available to continue support of existing
owner/builders and I am sure there are many people as thankful as I am. The questions
that
occur to me are:
Does that current customer base provide enough revenue to insure stability at NG
?
Do the product offerings have sufficient interest to continue a long term revenue
stream
and thus viability of NG ?
Are there NEW products coming to increase the customer base ?
I continue to be able to gather some time in Glasair's from helpful owners ( we
have ~ 8 )
at my airport ( RHV ) which serve to significantly increase my motivation whenever
I have
had a ride. I differ in opinion that III drivers and GlasStar drivers are so different.
I
would consider a Sportsman on floats to be an excellant project. I like many other
pilots
enjoy fast, slow, acro or just tooling along whether in Cub or a III.
I ( being biased ) wish NG all the best with this and any other venture that brings
EXP-GA
to the real world.
Jeff Siebenhaar
Dj Merrill wrote:
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 16:22, N16cd@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
> >
> > You may disagree with me, but thirteen years ago I built an Oshkosh winning
> > Glasair that I have traveled all over the US, Canada, Bahamas and have also
> > raced. I go to S&F every year and have been to the NG tent many times and have
> > witnessed things for myself. If you were a speed freak and offered a new Glasair
> > 111 or a new Lancair Legacy we know which one you would take. Lancair
> > Legacies drivers love waxing the asses of Glasair 111 drivers. I receive many
E-Mails
> > from other Glasair builder/ owners. The disscussion I have with other Glasair
> > owners is the lack of NG inovation into the GLASAIR. Three drivers have no
> > interest in Glas Stars and are a completely different animal than a Glas Star
> > "sports man". You may have answered your own question when you talked about
the
> > Glas Star. Porsches and Escorts don't mix.
>
> I have no problem with us disagreeing - I'm sure there
> are many people out there that do not share my opinions... *grin*
> It just seems like you are taking a very limited view and only
> focusing on one aspect of New Glasair. I own a Glasair 1 FT,
> and I *still* get support from NG. That goes a long way in my book.
> I am not a speed freak, I just want a reasonably fast
> cross-country plane, and that's what I have. The GII and GIII
> are improvements over my plane. Porches and Jeeps (a more
> appropriate description of the Glastar/Sportsman) can mix,
> and quite well, as New Glasair is demonstrating quite capably.
> They are catering to both utilty and speed crowds, and doing it well.
> I really don't see where your beef is. If you really hate NG that
> much, go buy something else. That's your choice, but you don't
> have to bash NG while you are doing it. From my perspective
> they are doing a great job.
>
> -Dj
>
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
Did I use the word "hate?" I reread what I wrote and couldn't find the word
hate. Energy, new technology and inovation is what I am talking about. I don't
settle on "resonable".
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
It is nice to read an article that doesn't make personal attacks on me. Not
many people have the skill to fly a G111 in its present configuration. When Bob
Gravinsky was president, I had a conversation with a promising young engineer
on his staff. He developed the new carbon fiber wing for the Aurora. He
wanted to configure that new airfoil to the GL111. Not only would the wing be
stronger, it would have been lighter and faster. He also had redesigned the wing
fairings and other parts of the plane and wanted to offer this new design in
carbon fiber. And he wanted to offer speed modification for all the Gl1's, 2's
and 3's. Introducing carbon fiber would have lightened the GL111 by several
hundred pounds making it a more docile plane to take off and land. (lower
insurance rates) A side benefit would have been a more survivable plane in a crash.
People have accused me of hating NG. To the contrary, I have a very fast plane
that could be faster and better. What I don't want to see is NG go out of
business. I feel that the NG has to bring in the next generation of high
performance planes or they will fall by the wayside.
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
N16cd@aol.com wrote:
>--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
>
>Did I use the word "hate?" I reread what I wrote and couldn't find the word
>hate. Energy, new technology and inovation is what I am talking about. I don't
>settle on "resonable".
>
>
>
>
Fair enough. I apologize if I inadvertantly misspoke.
No harm or foul intended.
-Dj
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: "steve korney" <s_korney@hotmail.com>
Don't forget all us G 1 drivers...We have been working on our own speed mods
since day one...
Best... Steve
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Neal Garvin" <ngarvin@comcast.net>
Hey, I recognize that tail number: Chuck/Debbie?
Your Glasair still flying? What part of the country are you in?
Neal Garvin
Glasair SIIS-RG N15F
Avon, CT
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: N16cd@aol.com
Don't make the mistake of parting out the kit. You may be left with very
expensive parts nobody wants. I would advertise in Trade A Plane because you
would
have world wide exposure. Purchasing a complete kit from a private party is
more desirable rather than purchasing a kit from the company. The reason is,
the buyer has less risk off losing their money. Since taking over the assets
of
Stoddard Hamilton, The New Glas Air has done nothing to improve the Glasair
line. Many feel that the company is in a state of stagnation and it will
only be
a matter of time before the line becomes stale, slower in speed and
outdated.
On the other hand, Van's aircraft and Lancair constantly offer new products
and speed modifications to their aircraft. When you go to Sun and Fun look
where all the action is...at Lancair and Vans Aircraft!!. The New Glasair
tent
appears to be vacant, quiet and downbeat. Many feel The NewGlasair missed a
great opprotunity to come forth with a new generation of high performance
aircraft. Ask The New Glasair about carbon fiber, speed fairings and
cowlings and all
you get is a tired blank stare.
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| Subject: | G-III for sale or ??? |
--> Glasair-List message posted by: st.ellison@comcast.net
The Glasair III that I have is kit #3191 which was produced in 1989.
It includes the complete kit with everything. The only items that should be needed
are the prop, interior and paint.
Fuse is assembled with stab mounted and elevator attached. Rudder is finished and
attached also. Rudder pedals, header tank, firewall, and motor mount are also
installed. Wing is very near being ready to close with the exception of the
slotted flaps needing to be installed.
Kit options include slotted flap kit, electric flap kit, wing tips extension kit
w/fuel system, Future vision instrument panel, stailess steel exhaust, oil cooler,
engine baffle kit, engine mount, vacuum kit, electric trim, woodward prop
governor, nav/strobe kit, antemma kits for all equipment, 90 degree induction
elbow, ++++.
Engine is IO-540K1J5 with 0-SMOH by Columbia Aviation (certified engine).
Panel is a factory assembled Future Vision Panel from SH at a cost of over $43K.
Includes autopilot, HSI, EPI etc. KNS-80, KLN-88, KR-87, KMA-24, KT-76A, KX-155,
KY-197A, Century 2000 autopilot, KA-84, KA-60, KA-44B, EPI 800, EPI fuel
sensor, gyro slave amp, flux detector, Chronometer, ++
Price is $69K if you like to negotiate and $65K if you don't. Over $120K has been
spent on this very complete kit. Great workmanship so far.
I still might change my mind and have it finished but I'm losing my enthusiasm,
maybe I just need a little G-III flight time to get back in the swing!!!
Pictures on request.
Steve Ellison
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