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1. 06:55 AM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Steve Kean)
2. 07:52 AM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Dj Merrill)
3. 11:59 AM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Bruce Gray)
4. 07:33 PM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Steve Kean)
5. 09:35 PM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Dj Merrill)
6. 09:40 PM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
7. 10:26 PM - Re: Sportsman 2+2 (Kevin Williams)
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
What are ya'll budgeting for your 2+2's? I was taken back by some
numbers I saw at Oskosh. Perhaps if you shared what you expect to shell
out for the complete kit, less paint, firewall forward and electronics
it would rekindle my interest in this awesome kit.
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: glasair-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Sportsman 2+2
Dj,
Thanks for the reply. I looked at your website, great detail. Have you
done anything with the fuselage yet? It doesn't look like you have
posted anything since April. I know it is a lot of work to keep up with
a website along with building a plane. Have you flown in a finished
Sportsman 2+2 yet? Looked at the pictures that you took of the factory
plane, great photo's. I hope to get to Sun n Fun next year.
Thanks again
Bob Spudis
do not archive
In a message dated 9/2/2006 11:01:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
deej@deej.net writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> Hi
>
> Anybody on this list? I am considering building a Sportsman 2+2,
anybody
> out there building one. I have previously built a Zenith CH-701
and am
> looking for something with more speed and carrying capacity.
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX CH701/912S
Hi Bob,
I'm building a Glastar Sportsman 2+2, slow build wings and tail,
QB
fuselage. I'd be glad to try to answer any questions you might
have.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Steve Kean wrote:
> What are ya'll budgeting for your 2+2's? I was taken back by some
> numbers I saw at Oskosh. Perhaps if you shared what you expect to shell
> out for the complete kit, less paint, firewall forward and electronics
> it would rekindle my interest in this awesome kit.
Actually, I try not to think about it... :-) I'm on the "build as I
can afford" plan. I have the SB wings and tail, QB fuselage, and that
will take me at least a couple of years, if not more, to complete before
I need to buy other parts. I have a Glasair 1 FT that I will sell to
fund the engine/prop package, and I'll buy the panel goodies over time
as money allows (or maybe do some financing for this depending on my
patience).
You can figure out your cost for the complete kit by going to the
Glasair Aviation web site (www.glasairaviation.com). They have the
complete kit pricing, plus build options, etc so you can pick and choose
how you want to build and now right away how much it will cost you. The
basic kit with no QB options is $39,950 according to the website:
http://www.glasairaviation.com/pricesportsman.html
-Dj
do not archive
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Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
As a rule of thumb, you can figure on your completed flying kit will cost
you three (3) times the basic kit cost.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Sportsman 2+2
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Steve Kean wrote:
> What are ya'll budgeting for your 2+2's? I was taken back by some
> numbers I saw at Oskosh. Perhaps if you shared what you expect to shell
> out for the complete kit, less paint, firewall forward and electronics
> it would rekindle my interest in this awesome kit.
Actually, I try not to think about it... :-) I'm on the "build as
I
can afford" plan. I have the SB wings and tail, QB fuselage, and that
will take me at least a couple of years, if not more, to complete before
I need to buy other parts. I have a Glasair 1 FT that I will sell to
fund the engine/prop package, and I'll buy the panel goodies over time
as money allows (or maybe do some financing for this depending on my
patience).
You can figure out your cost for the complete kit by going to the
Glasair Aviation web site (www.glasairaviation.com). They have the
complete kit pricing, plus build options, etc so you can pick and choose
how you want to build and now right away how much it will cost you. The
basic kit with no QB options is $39,950 according to the website:
http://www.glasairaviation.com/pricesportsman.html
-Dj
do not archive
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Steve Kean" <stevekean@hotmail.com>
I saw info on a 2 week start to fly which was in the neighborhood of
$175,000 . Good publicity for build time, bad reflection on typical build
cost? 3 x kit sounds much better!. Thanks guys.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Sportsman 2+2
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> As a rule of thumb, you can figure on your completed flying kit will cost
> you three (3) times the basic kit cost.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:52 AM
> To: glasair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Sportsman 2+2
>
>
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
>
> Steve Kean wrote:
>> What are ya'll budgeting for your 2+2's? I was taken back by some
>> numbers I saw at Oskosh. Perhaps if you shared what you expect to shell
>> out for the complete kit, less paint, firewall forward and electronics
>> it would rekindle my interest in this awesome kit.
>
> Actually, I try not to think about it... :-) I'm on the "build as
> I
> can afford" plan. I have the SB wings and tail, QB fuselage, and that
> will take me at least a couple of years, if not more, to complete before
> I need to buy other parts. I have a Glasair 1 FT that I will sell to
> fund the engine/prop package, and I'll buy the panel goodies over time
> as money allows (or maybe do some financing for this depending on my
> patience).
>
> You can figure out your cost for the complete kit by going to the
> Glasair Aviation web site (www.glasairaviation.com). They have the
> complete kit pricing, plus build options, etc so you can pick and choose
> how you want to build and now right away how much it will cost you. The
> basic kit with no QB options is $39,950 according to the website:
> http://www.glasairaviation.com/pricesportsman.html
>
>
> -Dj
> do not archive
>
> --
> Dj Merrill
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
> http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
>
> "TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Steve Kean wrote:
> --> Glasair-List message posted by: "Steve Kean" <stevekean@hotmail.com>
>
> I saw info on a 2 week start to fly which was in the neighborhood of
> $175,000 . Good publicity for build time, bad reflection on typical
> build cost? 3 x kit sounds much better!. Thanks guys.
It is $133k
(http://www.glasairaviation.com/twoweekstotaxipricing.html). Not bad if
you can afford it! And not too far off the 3x rule of thumb. :-)
-Dj
do not archive
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Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/
"TSA: Totally Screwing Aviation"
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
I say we need a new rule or a different thumb! I know that you are right
though.
Bob Spudis
do not archive
As a rule of thumb, you can figure on your completed flying kit will cost
you three (3) times the basic kit cost.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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| Subject: | Re: Sportsman 2+2 |
--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Kevin Williams" <kevinsky18@hotmail.com>
You know, there was a time when kits were were actually cheap. I know
$39,000.00 x3 is cheaper than buying a factory built plane but I still think
$39,000 for a basic kit is none the less very expensive for what you get
which is basically a fiberglass and tube shell.
I can't help but think that the price is not refelective of the cost to
produce plus a nice profit margin but instead the highest amount possible
they can think they can get away with before a fellow says forget it I can
almost buy a factory built for that price.
For example $39,000x3 = $117000. Now go to say Maule's website and price
out what a brand new 180hp or 235hp Maule m7 would go for and it really
isn't much more. And in this case a Sportsman 2+2 compared to a 180 M7 the
factory plane actually wins on alot of fronts.
I think the kit sellers need to be a bit more cautions about their pricing
and kit buyer need to take a step back and not assume that all kits
regardless of final finish price are going to be cheaper and out preform
factory. I'm forcasting a week interest in the 2+2 as it doesn't out
preform certain factory built aircraft that are only marginally more
expensive.
Kevinsky
Kevin
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Sportsman 2+2
I say we need a new rule or a different thumb! I know that you are right
though.
Bob Spudis
do not archive
As a rule of thumb, you can figure on your completed flying kit will cost
you three (3) times the basic kit cost.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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