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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (mrbizi@yahoo.com)
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3. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (Steve Thomas)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (John Grosse)
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Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi
program?
I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need to
know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me.
Thanks,
Josh
Thanks,
Josh
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1. 06:26 AM - Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Bubblehead)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? ()
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Steve Thomas)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Doug Dodson)
5. 04:25 PM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Craymondw@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 06:26:50 AM PST US
Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the
A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up
the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down
to take a look.
Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and
a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full
instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes
to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues
from selling them! Here are pictures.
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other
planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech,
a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and
engines?
--------
John Dalman
Elburn, IL
RV-8 N247TD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US
From: <tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
We,ve truely become a throw away society!
>
> From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT
> To: glasair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
>
>
> I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the
A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up
the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down
to take a look.
>
> Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and
a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and
full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes
to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues
from selling them! Here are pictures.
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
>
> I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other
planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech,
a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
>
> Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and
engines?
>
> --------
> John Dalman
> Elburn, IL
> RV-8 N247TD
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:33:08 AM PST US
From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
Not really - we've become a truly litigious society. When lawyers
have convinced everyone that they can blame someone else for their
idiocy, everyone, except the lawyers, loose.
On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:22 AM, <tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> We,ve truely become a throw away society!
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 09:03:18 AM PST US
From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
In all likelihood, the donations were conditional in that ownership
never be transferred in any way. As was stated, the previous owners
didn't want any liability trail but at least found a use for the plane
they felt was beneficial for a while. I don't know if that included
parting the plane out, but what parts would be OK and what parts might
impose liability on the builder is hard to say.
Douglas L. Dodson, Jr.
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&ME,I,G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
We,ve truely become a throw away society!
>
> From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT
> To: glasair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
>
<jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
>
> I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said
that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they
were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new
location. So I walked down to take a look.
>
> Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III
N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have
radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the
owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so
they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are
pictures.
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
>
> I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some
pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a
TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter.
Pictures can be seen at
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
>
> Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the
avionics and engines?
>
> --------
> John Dalman
> Elburn, IL
> RV-8 N247TD
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 04:25:04 PM PST US
From: Craymondw@aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
I should think that if the N number was sanded off and the aircraft sold as
scrap, there would be no liability trail. I can see no difference if a rubbish
man hauls the planes away and sells various components as junk.
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
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| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 |
Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi
program?
I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need to
know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me.
Thanks,
Josh
Thanks,
Josh
-----Original Message-----
From: Glasair-List Digest Server <glasair-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08
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in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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Total Messages Posted Sun 08/10/08: 5
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:26 AM - Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Bubblehead)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? ()
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Steve Thomas)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Doug Dodson)
5. 04:25 PM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Craymondw@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 06:26:50 AM PST US
Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the
A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up
the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down
to take a look.
Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and
a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full
instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes
to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues
from selling them! Here are pictures.
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other
planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech,
a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at
http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and
engines?
--------
John Dalman
Elburn, IL
RV-8 N247TD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US
From: <tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
We,ve truely become a throw away society!
>
> From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT
> To: glasair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
>
>
> I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the
A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up
the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down
to take a look.
>
> Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and
a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and
full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes
to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues
from selling them! Here are pictures.
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
>
> I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other
planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech,
a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
>
> Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and
engines?
>
> --------
> John Dalman
> Elburn, IL
> RV-8 N247TD
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:33:08 AM PST US
From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
Not really - we've become a truly litigious society. When lawyers
have convinced everyone that they can blame someone else for their
idiocy, everyone, except the lawyers, loose.
On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:22 AM, <tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> We,ve truely become a throw away society!
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 09:03:18 AM PST US
From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
In all likelihood, the donations were conditional in that ownership
never be transferred in any way. As was stated, the previous owners
didn't want any liability trail but at least found a use for the plane
they felt was beneficial for a while. I don't know if that included
parting the plane out, but what parts would be OK and what parts might
impose liability on the builder is hard to say.
Douglas L. Dodson, Jr.
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&ME,I,G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
We,ve truely become a throw away society!
>
> From: "Bubblehead" <jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT
> To: glasair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
>
<jdalman2000@yahoo.com>
>
> I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said
that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they
were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new
location. So I walked down to take a look.
>
> Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III
N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have
radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the
owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so
they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are
pictures.
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg
>
> I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some
pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a
TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter.
Pictures can be seen at
>
> http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP
>
> Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the
avionics and engines?
>
> --------
> John Dalman
> Elburn, IL
> RV-8 N247TD
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 04:25:04 PM PST US
From: Craymondw@aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed?
I should think that if the N number was sanded off and the aircraft sold as
scrap, there would be no liability trail. I can see no difference if a rubbish
man hauls the planes away and sells various components as junk.
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
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Why not call Glasair?
On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:34 AM, mrbizi@yahoo.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two
> Weeks to Taxi program?
> I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program
> but I need to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me.
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
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I asked Harry Delong (Glasair salesman) about that at Oshkosh, and he
said that the way he understood the proposed new rule it would not
adversely affect their program. I would suggest you call them though and
get the message from the source.
John Grosse
mrbizi@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi
program?
>I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need
to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me.
>Thanks,
>Josh
>
>Thanks,
>Josh
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 |
Kind of crazy when the last time I heard that the EAA boasts that no builder
has ever been sued by the relatives of someone killed in a homebuilt that
they had purchased. These planes have the added paper work that they were
years ago donated as salvage and they may be nearing the "Twenty Year Rule" that
exempts them from litigation. I could understand it a little if a Glasair had
an in flight airframe failure, but as hard as many flyers try, there has
never been one. I had a German yacht manufacturer look at my kit and ask if I
was building a tank! He added that Stoddard Hamilton had already done the work
that could cause problems if done wrong. I would try to get a lawyer to talk
to them....they sound paranoid.
**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
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