---------------------------------------------------------- Glasair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (mrbizi@yahoo.com) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (mrbizi@yahoo.com) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (Steve Thomas) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (John Grosse) 5. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 (Craymondw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:08 AM PST US Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 From: mrbizi@yahoo.com Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi program? I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me. Thanks, Josh Thanks, Josh -----Original Message----- From: Glasair-List Digest Server Subject: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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(Craymondw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:50 AM PST US Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? From: "Bubblehead" I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? -------- John Dalman Elburn, IL RV-8 N247TD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? We,ve truely become a throw away society! > > From: "Bubblehead" > Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT > To: glasair-list@matronics.com > Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? > > > I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. > > Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg > > I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP > > Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? > > -------- > John Dalman > Elburn, IL > RV-8 N247TD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:08 AM PST US From: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? Not really - we've become a truly litigious society. When lawyers have convinced everyone that they can blame someone else for their idiocy, everyone, except the lawyers, loose. On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:22 AM, wrote: > We,ve truely become a throw away society! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:18 AM PST US From: "Doug Dodson" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? In all likelihood, the donations were conditional in that ownership never be transferred in any way. As was stated, the previous owners didn't want any liability trail but at least found a use for the plane they felt was beneficial for a while. I don't know if that included parting the plane out, but what parts would be OK and what parts might impose liability on the builder is hard to say. Douglas L. Dodson, Jr. Glasair II-S FT Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&ME,I,G -----Original Message----- From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? We,ve truely become a throw away society! > > From: "Bubblehead" > Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT > To: glasair-list@matronics.com > Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? > > > I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. > > Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg > > I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP > > Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? > > -------- > John Dalman > Elburn, IL > RV-8 N247TD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:04 PM PST US From: Craymondw@aol.com Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? I should think that if the N number was sanded off and the aircraft sold as scrap, there would be no liability trail. I can see no difference if a rubbish man hauls the planes away and sells various components as junk. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:08 AM PST US Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 From: mrbizi@yahoo.com Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi program? I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me. Thanks, Josh Thanks, Josh -----Original Message----- From: Glasair-List Digest Server Subject: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-08-10&Archive=Glasair Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-08-10&Archive=Glasair =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Glasair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/10/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Bubblehead) 2. 07:23 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? () 3. 07:33 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Steve Thomas) 4. 09:03 AM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Doug Dodson) 5. 04:25 PM - Re: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? (Craymondw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:50 AM PST US Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? From: "Bubblehead" I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? -------- John Dalman Elburn, IL RV-8 N247TD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? We,ve truely become a throw away society! > > From: "Bubblehead" > Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT > To: glasair-list@matronics.com > Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? > > > I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. > > Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg > > I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP > > Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? > > -------- > John Dalman > Elburn, IL > RV-8 N247TD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:08 AM PST US From: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? Not really - we've become a truly litigious society. When lawyers have convinced everyone that they can blame someone else for their idiocy, everyone, except the lawyers, loose. On Aug 10, 2008, at 7:22 AM, wrote: > We,ve truely become a throw away society! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:18 AM PST US From: "Doug Dodson" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? In all likelihood, the donations were conditional in that ownership never be transferred in any way. As was stated, the previous owners didn't want any liability trail but at least found a use for the plane they felt was beneficial for a while. I don't know if that included parting the plane out, but what parts would be OK and what parts might impose liability on the builder is hard to say. Douglas L. Dodson, Jr. Glasair II-S FT Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&ME,I,G -----Original Message----- From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomgoddard@ns.sympatico.ca Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? We,ve truely become a throw away society! > > From: "Bubblehead" > Date: 2008/08/10 Sun AM 09:25:43 EDT > To: glasair-list@matronics.com > Subject: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? > > > I stopped for fuel yesterday in Winona, MN and the guy at the FBO said that the A&P school that had been there had moved to Duluth, and they were cutting up the airplanes that were not getting moved to the new location. So I walked down to take a look. > > Included in the planes supposedly to be destroyed are a Glassair III N717SM and a SX-300 N888SX. I peaked inside and the planes still have radios, HSIs and full instruments! The guy at the FBO said that the owners had donated the planes to the school instead of selling them so they did not have any liability issues from selling them! Here are pictures. > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348685161_oFXTA-M.jpg > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/photos/348683573_XoLRP-M.jpg > > I taxied past the planes on my way to the runway and took some pictures. Other planes that will be scrapped include an L-19, a TriPacer, a T-33, a twin Beech, a Aztec, and a Hiller helicopter. Pictures can be seen at > > http://tangodelta.smugmug.com/gallery/5664130_dpHYV/1/348683573_XoLRP > > Does anyone know of a way to recover these planes or at least the avionics and engines? > > -------- > John Dalman > Elburn, IL > RV-8 N247TD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197675#197675 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:04 PM PST US From: Craymondw@aol.com Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Glassair III, SX300 to be destroyed? I should think that if the N number was sanded off and the aircraft sold as scrap, there would be no liability trail. I can see no difference if a rubbish man hauls the planes away and sells various components as junk. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:00 AM PST US From: Steve Thomas Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 Why not call Glasair? On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:34 AM, mrbizi@yahoo.com wrote: > Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two > Weeks to Taxi program? > I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program > but I need to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me. > Thanks, > Josh > > Thanks, > Josh ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:33 AM PST US From: John Grosse Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 I asked Harry Delong (Glasair salesman) about that at Oshkosh, and he said that the way he understood the proposed new rule it would not adversely affect their program. I would suggest you call them though and get the message from the source. John Grosse mrbizi@yahoo.com wrote: > >Does anyone know if the new 51% rule will affect the Glasair Two Weeks to Taxi program? >I'm looking to build a Sportsman 2+2 through the Two Weeks program but I need to know if the new rule will somehow negatively affect me. >Thanks, >Josh > >Thanks, >Josh > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:23 PM PST US From: Craymondw@aol.com Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/10/08 Kind of crazy when the last time I heard that the EAA boasts that no builder has ever been sued by the relatives of someone killed in a homebuilt that they had purchased. These planes have the added paper work that they were years ago donated as salvage and they may be nearing the "Twenty Year Rule" that exempts them from litigation. I could understand it a little if a Glasair had an in flight airframe failure, but as hard as many flyers try, there has never been one. I had a German yacht manufacturer look at my kit and ask if I was building a tank! He added that Stoddard Hamilton had already done the work that could cause problems if done wrong. I would try to get a lawyer to talk to them....they sound paranoid. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. 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