---------------------------------------------------------- Glasair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/15/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:25 AM - Re: Nylaflow (MPPalmer@aol.com) 2. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Nylaflow (Craymondw@aol.com) 3. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Nylaflow (Robin Young) 4. 10:55 AM - Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Craymondw@aol.com) 5. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Robin Young) 6. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Craymondw@aol.com) 7. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (fontenotsteve) 8. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Robin Young) 9. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Craymondw@AOL.COM) 10. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Robin Young) 11. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants (Bruce Gray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:33 AM PST US From: MPPalmer@aol.com Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Nylaflow Hi Robin: After numerous failures of the nylaflow at both the brakes (overheating) and at the master cylinders (due to movement), I finally switched to the Aeroquip TFE race quality, steel braid wrapped Teflon lined stuff that other's here in Phoenix are using. It's sold by Summit Racing. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=AER%2DFCC0320& N=700+4294924496+4294821621+4294923289+4294906635+4294906583+115&autoview=sku It was a bear opening up the existing conduit in the back of the landing gear struts to accept the larger diameter hose (I soldered a Dremel tool grinding head to welding rod and even then, I had to slice the conduit open) but haven't had a failure since. I wish I had done it when building. Mike Palmer <><


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Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:53 AM PST US From: "Robin Young" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Nylaflow Thanks Mike, this is just the information I am looking for. You might remember I am changing my gear to the Grove set up. While on this, I am putting the pressure recovery wheel pants on. I am looking forward to the results. I have done nothing to improve the speed in several years and hope this will be significant. How is the healing coming? Robin _____ From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MPPalmer@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Nylaflow Hi Robin: After numerous failures of the nylaflow at both the brakes (overheating) and at the master cylinders (due to movement), I finally switched to the Aeroquip TFE race quality, steel braid wrapped Teflon lined stuff that other's here in Phoenix are using. It's sold by Summit Racing. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=AER%2DFCC0320 &N=700+4294924496+4294821621+4294923289+4294906635+4294906583+115&autoview=s ku It was a bear opening up the existing conduit in the back of the landing gear struts to accept the larger diameter hose (I soldered a Dremel tool grinding head to welding rod and even then, I had to slice the conduit open) but haven't had a failure since. I wish I had done it when building. Mike Palmer <>< ************** BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! p://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:12 AM PST US From: Craymondw@aol.com Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants How much speed is added with pressure recovery wheel pants and where do you purchase them? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:50 AM PST US From: "Robin Young" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants I have recently purchased a set from Van's. I think the cost was about 375 and includes some really nice aluminum brackets that are preformed. A guy on the Van's Air force site offers the replacement brackets in stainless but, I see no reason to go that way. Fitting is underway so...no flight test yet. Some RV guys that have converted from the old design that is similar to the glasair pants claimed a eight MPH increase. Our planes are faster anyway and the increase should be even more. I am unaware of a nose wheel pressure recovery pant, but the two main wheel pants are well made and very light for the size. RObin 286YM How much speed is added with pressure recovery wheel pants and where do you purchase them? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:51 AM PST US From: Craymondw@aol.com Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants My Glasair 2S FT cruises around 210 mph @ 8.500 feet. Several years ago I dropped a center line, center firewall and tail, on my concrete hanger floor. Then I dropped two plumb lines from the plane to the center line. Then I ran two parallel lines that went through the main wheel line. After doing that I was surprised to find that the rears of my both main wheel pants where off center by three inches. I readjusted the pants and and had to readjust my rudder trim. After performing those three adjustment I picked up close to 10 mph. I friend had a wind tunnel test performed on his plane and found the wing fairing dragged down the plane. Glasairs without wing fairing's are generally faster than Glasairs with them. A Stoddard Hamilton engineer informed me that he had a wing fairing retro fit that would add 15 mph to the cruise. But six months later Stoddard Hamilton went belly up. Glasairs should be just a fast as Lancairs, but unfortunately the factory have offered no improvements to the design. The other problem is weight. Glasairs are built like tanks and if the spar, skins and landing gear was offered in carbon fiber, a few hundred pounds would be shed. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:29 AM PST US From: "fontenotsteve" Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants I haven't made a decisioin yet but some glasair guys are claiming 10kts. You can order the vans front wheel pants from them. I think it''s about $140. All together all three are about 400. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Young To: glasair-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants I have recently purchased a set from Van's. I think the cost was about 375 and includes some really nice aluminum brackets that are preformed. A guy on the Van's Air force site offers the replacement brackets in stainless but, I see no reason to go that way. Fitting is underway so...no flight test yet. Some RV guys that have converted from the old design that is similar to the glasair pants claimed a eight MPH increase. Our planes are faster anyway and the increase should be even more. I am unaware of a nose wheel pressure recovery pant, but the two main wheel pants are well made and very light for the size. RObin 286YM How much speed is added with pressure recovery wheel pants and where do you purchase them? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:02 PM PST US From: "Robin Young" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants A Stoddard Hamilton engineer informed me that he had a wing fairing retro fit that would add 15 mph to the cruise. Was it Bob Gavinski that had developed the fairing. If so, he may can be contacted.....15MPH is worth the small amount of work to change. RObin 286YM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:57 PM PST US From: Craymondw@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants Robin, it was that young engineer that developed the carbon fiber wing for the Aurora. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:23 PM PST US From: "Robin Young" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants Robin, it was that young engineer that developed the carbon fiber wing for the Aurora. I saw the wing at Oshkosh and it was Bob that demonstrated the weight and strength when I was in the booth. Last I heard Bob Gavinski was a corp. pilot.....Bruce. Are you still in contact with Bob? RObin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:46 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants No, I haven't seen or heard from Bob since SH went belly up. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Young Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Pressure recovery wheel pants Robin, it was that young engineer that developed the carbon fiber wing for the Aurora. I saw the wing at Oshkosh and it was Bob that demonstrated the weight and strength when I was in the booth. Last I heard Bob Gavinski was a corp. pilot.....Bruce. Are you still in contact with Bob? 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