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1. 08:13 AM - FWIW on Alpha Systems (mppalmer@aol.com)
2. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: AOA (John Grosse)
3. 12:51 PM - Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems (b.j. mcclure)
4. 02:42 PM - Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems (Alpha Systems AOA)
5. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems (Chris Cox)
6. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems (B.J. McClure)
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| Subject: | FWIW on Alpha Systems |
Thanks, Chris, for the clarification.
For others following along, I've not been offered to "beta" test the
Alpha System on our Glasair. Here's my concern:
Suppose I pay the big bucks and install the system. And let's just say
it doesn't work as advertised, as my previous experience with the Rite
Angle and our goofy indicated airspeed into the stall would predict.
If I call Alpha Systems and tell them their product doesn't work,
they're going to tell me it's an installation problem. That they're
only responsible to make sure the product worked properly in their test
chamber when it shipped. That it's my responsibility to mount it in lab
conditions on the Glasair.
And they'd probably be right.
But I don't want to be the guinea pig to have to figure all that out. I
have a hard time believing the AOA probe mounted 3 inches below the
wing mounted way back at an inspection cover is going to work right.
I'm thinking it might have to stick out the front of the leading edge,
with attendant "break off" problems. Is their "100% satisfaction
guarantee!" like Sears'? No questions asked, I can return for any
reason?
I don't know how many Glasair pilots read this list server, but so far,
no one with an Alpha Systems AOA on their Glasair has chimed in saying
how well it works on their Glasair. Bruce, what are pilots saying in
the News?
I agree with a previous poster that my hand on the stick can detect the
stall buffet pretty well. Still, it couldn't hurt to have an indicator
that tells you you're not going to get into the stall buffet.
Mike Palmer <><
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Since you're not getting much of a response here, you might try your
question on the www.glasair.org list. That's the list to which most
Glasair owners and builders subscribe.
John Grosse
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| Subject: | Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems |
The beauty of AOA is that it's not about stall, it's about flying AOA
for approach instead of airspeed. You always know you have the right
approach speed regardless of weight or density altitude if it's a proper
AOA.
B.J.
Glasair 300JJ
CentOS release 6.2 (Final)
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 11:06 -0400, mppalmer@aol.com wrote:
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> Thanks, Chris, for the clarification.
>
> For others following along, I've not been offered to "beta" test the
> Alpha System on our Glasair. Here's my concern:
>
> Suppose I pay the big bucks and install the system. And let's just say
> it doesn't work as advertised, as my previous experience with the Rite
> Angle and our goofy indicated airspeed into the stall would predict.
>
> If I call Alpha Systems and tell them their product doesn't work,
> they're going to tell me it's an installation problem. That they're
> only responsible to make sure the product worked properly in their test
> chamber when it shipped. That it's my responsibility to mount it in lab
> conditions on the Glasair.
>
> And they'd probably be right.
>
> But I don't want to be the guinea pig to have to figure all that out. I
> have a hard time believing the AOA probe mounted 3 inches below the
> wing mounted way back at an inspection cover is going to work right.
> I'm thinking it might have to stick out the front of the leading edge,
> with attendant "break off" problems. Is their "100% satisfaction
> guarantee!" like Sears'? No questions asked, I can return for any
> reason?
>
> I don't know how many Glasair pilots read this list server, but so far,
> no one with an Alpha Systems AOA on their Glasair has chimed in saying
> how well it works on their Glasair. Bruce, what are pilots saying in
> the News?
>
> I agree with a previous poster that my hand on the stick can detect the
> stall buffet pretty well. Still, it couldn't hurt to have an indicator
> that tells you you're not going to get into the stall buffet.
>
> Mike Palmer <><
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems |
I'm enjoying our conversation about AOA here. Again, this is a topic that needs
much more honest discussion throughout all of general aviation.
With the exception of weather related incidents, what is one of the most frequent
accident occurances? Base to final, stall/spin. Sadly, we hear it over and
over again. This can be greatly reduced or avoided all together with the use
of an angle of attack system. When Navy aircraft first implemented AOA in 1957
and the fatality rate dropped nearly 50% in one year.
In response to your concern about Alpha Systems AOA not working in your plane,
we have a 100% satisfaction guarantee. If the product does not work the way we
say it will work you will get your money back. Plus we have a trade in program
as well. If you send us an old AOA, the guage and transducer(each end of
the system) we will discount your order $160.00. This offer is good on the electronic
kits only.
"The beauty of AOA is that it's not about stall, it's about flying AOA for approach
instead of airspeed. You always know you have the right approach speed regardless
of weight or density altitude if it's a proper AOA." -BJJ
Absolutely. Airspeed is the result of angle of attack. With AOA you know definitively
the amount of available lift and have a margin of safety above stall
while at Optimum Alpha. AOA will indicate proper approach speeds under all conditions
of weight, CG, flap position, air density, turbulence or angle of bank.
Not only will AOA help with approach, it is effective for best rate climbs,
best angle climbs, best glide, steep turns to name a few.
The fact of the matter is, as pilots we've had airspeed pounded into our heads
from day one. It's time to change the way we think. Check out the link below,
you'll find it interesting.
http://www.ballyshannon.com/aoavoices2.html
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Chris Crosby-CFI, CFII, CSIP
Sales/Technical Support
Alpha Systems AOA
763-506-9990 or 877-571-3770 ext.-205
chrisc@depotstar.com
www.alphasystemsaoa.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375772#375772
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| Subject: | Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems |
Please remove me from list
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2012, at 5:39 PM, "Alpha Systems AOA" <chrisc@depotstar.com> wrote:
>
> I'm enjoying our conversation about AOA here. Again, this is a topic that needs
much more honest discussion throughout all of general aviation.
>
> With the exception of weather related incidents, what is one of the most frequent
accident occurances? Base to final, stall/spin. Sadly, we hear it over
and over again. This can be greatly reduced or avoided all together with the
use of an angle of attack system. When Navy aircraft first implemented AOA in
1957 and the fatality rate dropped nearly 50% in one year.
>
> In response to your concern about Alpha Systems AOA not working in your plane,
we have a 100% satisfaction guarantee. If the product does not work the way
we say it will work you will get your money back. Plus we have a trade in program
as well. If you send us an old AOA, the guage and transducer(each end of
the system) we will discount your order $160.00. This offer is good on the
electronic kits only.
>
> "The beauty of AOA is that it's not about stall, it's about flying AOA for approach
instead of airspeed. You always know you have the right approach speed
regardless of weight or density altitude if it's a proper AOA." -BJJ
>
> Absolutely. Airspeed is the result of angle of attack. With AOA you know definitively
the amount of available lift and have a margin of safety above stall
while at Optimum Alpha. AOA will indicate proper approach speeds under all
conditions of weight, CG, flap position, air density, turbulence or angle of bank.
Not only will AOA help with approach, it is effective for best rate climbs,
best angle climbs, best glide, steep turns to name a few.
>
> The fact of the matter is, as pilots we've had airspeed pounded into our heads
from day one. It's time to change the way we think. Check out the link below,
you'll find it interesting.
>
> http://www.ballyshannon.com/aoavoices2.html
>
> --------
> Chris Crosby-CFI, CFII, CSIP
> Sales/Technical Support
> Alpha Systems AOA
> 763-506-9990 or 877-571-3770 ext.-205
> chrisc@depotstar.com
> www.alphasystemsaoa.com
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375772#375772
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| Subject: | Re: FWIW on Alpha Systems |
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 14:39 -0700, Alpha Systems AOA wrote:
> Not only will AOA help with approach, it is effective for best rate
> climbs, best angle climbs, best glide, steep turns to name a few.
And equally important, L/D max.
B.J.
Glasair 300JJ
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Workstation release 6.2 (Santiago)
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