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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Chris In Madison)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Fred Weaver)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Dale Fultz)
4. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (J2j3h4@aol.com)
5. 03:47 PM - Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Chris In Madison)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Fred Weaver)
7. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Fred Weaver)
8. 05:08 PM - Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (Chris In Madison)
9. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? (bryan green)
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Alrighty... Just Aircraft Highlander...
Best regards,
Chris
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Waunakee, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
So..... a bigger Kitfox and you are considering making it a four place?
Does the airplane use a Rotax 912S or something else for power? The airframe
is probably strong enough but have you penciled out a CG result?
Are you considering these mods so you can carry small kids?
Finally, what are you planning on doing with the airplane? Just small local
flights with your wife and kids sightseeing or do you intend on loading it
up and going somewhere?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Homebuilt-List: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat
aircraft?
> --> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
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> Alrighty... Just Aircraft Highlander...
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> Best regards,
> Chris
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> Chris Owens
> Waunakee, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Dale Fultz" <dfultz7@earthlink.net>
Unless you are an engineer if it were meant to be marketed as a four place I
am sure they would have tried to grab that part of the market also. Seats,
seat belts, and any other additions takes away from useful load. Just my
opinion. Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
As Dale said, the amenities take away from the useful load. You will also
need seat belts and brackets and may have to reinforce the belt attach points
(don't forget to consider G-loads). If the cargo area does not have a sturdy
floor, you will also need to provide that. Also access to the area does
look to be difficult, as far as a passenger getting into it. These alone are
probably the reasons they don't market it as a 4 place.
If you have considered all of these, can stay within W&B limits, and still
want to do it, I see no reason why you can't. That's what experimental
aircraft are all about. I read the specs on the plane and they are very
impressive.
I assume you are either talking about hauling children or you and your
copilot are very small people.
Jim (an engineer)
In a message dated 9/17/2006 10:51:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dfultz7@earthlink.net writes:
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Dale Fultz" <dfultz7@earthlink.net>
Unless you are an engineer if it were meant to be marketed as a four place I
am sure they would have tried to grab that part of the market also. Seats,
seat belts, and any other additions takes away from useful load. Just my
opinion. Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Thanks to all for your thoughts.
Any seats that would reside in the rear would, indeed, be for kids, and for short,
local flying. There aren't any windows back there, so sightseeing would probably
be out (although one could probably put some in if one were creative).
If I were to load it up for camping or what-not, it would likely only be for
two people since I suspect cargo and people in that area would get really crowded.
Short of the specifications, there's not a lot of information online about
the aircraft, so speculation is all I have to go on, hence the questions.
The specs do call out the 100HP Rotax 912.
Good answer regarding the cargo area floor and seat belt requirements. These are
types of things I'm looking to learn about being a newcomer to the field.
I'm sure you're right, in that if there was a market for a 4-place aircraft in
this style it would have already been done. There are 4-place aircraft purpose
built for the type of flying that the Highlander does, but they are much heavier,
use larger engines, and are subsequently more expensive to operate.
Just looking to see if there's a way to maximize ROI on this type of aircraft.
Thanks and best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62149#62149
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Homebuilt-List: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat
aircraft?
> --> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
>
> Thanks to all for your thoughts.
>
> Any seats that would reside in the rear would, indeed, be for kids, and
for short, local flying. There aren't any windows back there, so
sightseeing would probably be out (although one could probably put some in
if one were creative). If I were to load it up for camping or what-not, it
would likely only be for two people since I suspect cargo and people in that
area would get really crowded. Short of the specifications, there's not a
lot of information online about the aircraft, so speculation is all I have
to go on, hence the questions. The specs do call out the 100HP Rotax 912.
>
> Good answer regarding the cargo area floor and seat belt requirements.
These are types of things I'm looking to learn about being a newcomer to the
field.
>
> I'm sure you're right, in that if there was a market for a 4-place
aircraft in this style it would have already been done. There are 4-place
aircraft purpose built for the type of flying that the Highlander does, but
they are much heavier, use larger engines, and are subsequently more
expensive to operate.
>
> Just looking to see if there's a way to maximize ROI on this type of
aircraft.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Owens
> Waunakee, WI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62149#62149
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Chris.... There are plenty of people at Waunakee that know about this
stuff. Are you located on the airpark? If not, you might want to go hang
out there and talk to some people.
The Highlander is probably a good airplane and the Rotax is wonderful....
If you don't have much experience in these types of airplanes, you should
spend some time bs'ing with some people that do.
BTW, your kids won't get any fun out of sitting in a dungeon... If you
elect to do your thing, put in some windows so they can look out and
enjoy...
That's what flying is all about...........
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Homebuilt-List: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat
aircraft?
> --> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
>
> Thanks to all for your thoughts.
>
> Any seats that would reside in the rear would, indeed, be for kids, and
for short, local flying. There aren't any windows back there, so
sightseeing would probably be out (although one could probably put some in
if one were creative). If I were to load it up for camping or what-not, it
would likely only be for two people since I suspect cargo and people in that
area would get really crowded. Short of the specifications, there's not a
lot of information online about the aircraft, so speculation is all I have
to go on, hence the questions. The specs do call out the 100HP Rotax 912.
>
> Good answer regarding the cargo area floor and seat belt requirements.
These are types of things I'm looking to learn about being a newcomer to the
field.
>
> I'm sure you're right, in that if there was a market for a 4-place
aircraft in this style it would have already been done. There are 4-place
aircraft purpose built for the type of flying that the Highlander does, but
they are much heavier, use larger engines, and are subsequently more
expensive to operate.
>
> Just looking to see if there's a way to maximize ROI on this type of
aircraft.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Owens
> Waunakee, WI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62149#62149
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
I live really close to the Waunakee airport, but don't know anyone that lives on
it except for one I met that's a member of the airport association when they
were selling hangars. He's a nice guy. There aren't a lot of people that "hang
out", per se, at the Waunakee airport.
I have recently joined the EAA chapter out at the Middleton airport (Morey Field),
and there are some enthusiastic members out there. I'm sure I'll learn lots
from those guys and gals.
Thanks again for your insight. It's greatly appreciated :-)
Best regards,
Chris
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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62162#62162
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| Subject: | Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat aircraft? |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Chris have you looked at the Bearhawk or Bearhawk patrol?
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
Sonex #929
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: Homebuilt-List: Re: Semantics question: 3 or 4 seats in a 2-seat
aircraft?
> --> Homebuilt-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
>
> Thanks to all for your thoughts.
>
> Any seats that would reside in the rear would, indeed, be for kids, and
> for short, local flying. There aren't any windows back there, so
> sightseeing would probably be out (although one could probably put some in
> if one were creative). If I were to load it up for camping or what-not,
> it would likely only be for two people since I suspect cargo and people in
> that area would get really crowded. Short of the specifications, there's
> not a lot of information online about the aircraft, so speculation is all
> I have to go on, hence the questions. The specs do call out the 100HP
> Rotax 912.
>
> Good answer regarding the cargo area floor and seat belt requirements.
> These are types of things I'm looking to learn about being a newcomer to
> the field.
>
> I'm sure you're right, in that if there was a market for a 4-place
> aircraft in this style it would have already been done. There are 4-place
> aircraft purpose built for the type of flying that the Highlander does,
> but they are much heavier, use larger engines, and are subsequently more
> expensive to operate.
>
> Just looking to see if there's a way to maximize ROI on this type of
> aircraft.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Owens
> Waunakee, WI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62149#62149
>
>
>
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