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1. 09:13 AM - "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle)
2. 10:21 AM - Greetings and introductions (John Loram)
3. 10:33 AM - Re: Greetings and introductions (Andy Silvester)
4. 10:52 AM - Re: Greetings and introductions (Jeff Small)
5. 12:28 PM - Re: Greetings and introductions (bnoon12@comcast.net)
6. 12:48 PM - Re: Greetings and introductions (John Fulp)
7. 12:51 PM - Re: Greetings and introductions (bnoon12@comcast.net)
8. 02:18 PM - Using the matronics lists -Greetings and introductions (Jeff Small)
9. 04:03 PM - Re: Greetings and introductions (Chris Boultinghouse)
10. 04:28 PM - Another lurker (Howard Carter)
11. 05:01 PM - Re: Another lurker (Jim Stone)
12. 06:18 PM - hard starting (Jeff Small)
13. 06:52 PM - Re: Another lurker (Rex & Jan Shaw)
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
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about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <johnl@loram.org>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <johnl@loram.org>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Silvester
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <johnl@loram.org>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
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Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the summer
I got my Jabiru 3300 to put on a Thorp T-211. At this point, I have received
a "temporary" mount based on a mount that is testing on a Thorp T-211 in
Scottsdale and am waiting (impatiently) for the new cowling assembly from Jabiru
Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am in the process of putting
on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but like most out there, it
seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and timidity (on top of family
priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of time. At this point, I am
mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and recommendations for books,
references, and knowledgable helping hands. Believe it or not, I have a fairly
strong background in wiring computer equipment, so know my way around some of
the tools, but setting up the fuses and where to put things has me buffaloed.
I know once I get started things will fall into pl
ace. So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists note one
type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions. Also, what
about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more power to get
it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes sense. I am thinking
about two smaller batteries instead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool for
the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would you
all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how things
are put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
>
> Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
>
> Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
>
> do no archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Silvester
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
>
>
> Hi John
>
> This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My intention
> is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
> and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
> We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
> encourage more people to use it.
>
> Andy Silvester
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> 2003 Mainsail Drive
> Naples, FL 34114
> Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Loram
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram"
>
> I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
> I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
> -john-
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the summer
I got my Jabiru 3300to put ona Thorp T-211. At this point, I have received
a "temporary" mountbasedona mount that is testing on a Thorp T-211 inScottsdaleand
am waiting (impatiently) forthe newcowling assembly from Jabiru Pacific that
may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am in the process of putting on the mounts
and trying to set up my wiring, but like most out there, it seems, between
ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and timidity (on top of family priorities)
it is taking an inordinate amount of time. At this point, I am mainly concerned
with wiring and tools needed and recommendations for books, references, and
knowledgable helping hands. Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background
in wiring computer equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but
setting up the fuses and where to
put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things will fall into place.
So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists note one
type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions. Also, what
about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more power to get it
started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes sense. I am thinking
about two smaller batteriesinstead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool for
the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would you all
recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how things are
put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <ZODIACJEFF@MSN.COM>
Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Silvester
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
<INFO@SUNCOASTJABIRU.COM>
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feat
ure).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <JOHNL@LORAM.ORG>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
=======================================
cs Forums.
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Fulp" <jrfulp@ncia.net>
Bruce,
Go to www.aeroelectric.com and you will have all the info you'll need. Also,
aeroelectric has a list
on this server.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <bnoon12@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: bnoon12@comcast.net
Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the
summer I got my Jabiru 3300 to put on a Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
received a "temporary" mount based on a mount that is testing on a Thorp
T-211 in Scottsdale and am waiting (impatiently) for the new cowling
assembly from Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am
in the process of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but
like most out there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and
timidity (on top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of
time. At this point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
and where to put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things
will fall into pl
ace. So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists
note one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions.
Also, what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more
power to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes
sense. I am thinking about two smaller batteries instead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
things are put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
>
> Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
>
> Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
>
> do no archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Silvester
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
>
>
> Hi John
>
> This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
> intention
> is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
> and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
> We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
> encourage more people to use it.
>
> Andy Silvester
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> 2003 Mainsail Drive
> Naples, FL 34114
> Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Loram
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram"
>
> I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
> I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
> -john-
>
>
Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the
summer I got my Jabiru 3300to put ona Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
received a "temporary" mountbasedona mount that is testing on a Thorp T-211
inScottsdaleand am waiting (impatiently) forthe newcowling assembly from
Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am in the process
of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but like most out
there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and timidity (on
top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of time. At this
point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
and where to
put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things will fall
into place. So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists note
one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions. Also,
what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more power
to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes sense.
I am thinking about two smaller batteriesinstead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
things are put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <ZODIACJEFF@MSN.COM>
Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Silvester
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
<INFO@SUNCOASTJABIRU.COM>
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feat
ure).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <JOHNL@LORAM.ORG>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
=======================================
cs Forums.
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: bnoon12@comcast.net
Thanks, I will subscribe now....
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Fulp"
>
> Bruce,
>
> Go to www.aeroelectric.com and you will have all the info you'll need. Also,
> aeroelectric has a list
> on this server.
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: bnoon12@comcast.net
>
> Hi All,
> I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the
> summer I got my Jabiru 3300 to put on a Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
> received a "temporary" mount based on a mount that is testing on a Thorp
> T-211 in Scottsdale and am waiting (impatiently) for the new cowling
> assembly from Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am
> in the process of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but
> like most out there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and
> timidity (on top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of
> time. At this point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
> recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
> Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
> equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
> and where to put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things
> will fall into pl
> ace. So...
> My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists
> note one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions.
> Also, what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more
> power to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes
> sense. I am thinking about two smaller batteries instead of one larger one.
> The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
> for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
> you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
> things are put together.
> Guess that's enough for how,
>
> thanks,
>
> Bruce Noon
> (520) 991-5844
> Tucson, AZ
> --
> (520) 760-5925
> Tucson,AZ 85750
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
> >
> > Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
> >
> > Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
> >
> > do no archive
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andy Silvester
> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
> >
> > --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
> >
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
> > intention
> > is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
> > and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
> > We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
> > encourage more people to use it.
> >
> > Andy Silvester
> >
> > Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> > 2003 Mainsail Drive
> > Naples, FL 34114
> > Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
> > www.suncoastjabiru.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> > Loram
> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
> >
> > --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram"
> >
> > I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
> > I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
> > -john-
> >
> >
>
> Hi All,
> I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the
> summer I got my Jabiru 3300to put ona Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
> received a "temporary" mountbasedona mount that is testing on a Thorp T-211
> inScottsdaleand am waiting (impatiently) forthe newcowling assembly from
> Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am in the process
> of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but like most out
> there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and timidity (on
> top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of time. At this
> point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
> recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
> Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
> equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
> and where to
> put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things will fall
> into place. So...
> My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists note
> one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions. Also,
> what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more power
> to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes sense.
> I am thinking about two smaller batteriesinstead of one larger one.
> The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
> for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
> you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
> things are put together.
> Guess that's enough for how,
>
> thanks,
>
> Bruce Noon
> (520) 991-5844
> Tucson, AZ
> --
> (520) 760-5925
> Tucson,AZ 85750
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
>
> Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
>
> Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
>
> do no archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Silvester
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> -- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
>
>
> Hi John
>
> This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
> intention
> is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
> and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feat
> ure).
> We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
> encourage more people to use it.
>
> Andy Silvester
>
> Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
> 2003 Mainsail Drive
> Naples, FL 34114
> Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
> www.suncoastjabiru.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Loram
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
> -- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram"
>
> I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
> I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
> -john-
>
>
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Thanks, I will subscribe now....
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-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Fulp" <JRFULP@NCIA.NET>
Bruce,
Go to www.aeroelectric.com and you will have all the info you'll need. Also,
aeroelectric has a list
on this server.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <BNOON12@COMCAST.NET>
To: <JABIRUENGINE-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>; <JABIRUENGINE-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: bnoon12@comcast.net
Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various lists). Over the
summer I got my Jabiru 3300 to put on a Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
received a "temporary" mount based on a mount that
is testing on a Thorp
T-211 in Scottsdale and am waiting (impatiently) for the new cowling
assembly from Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am
in the process of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but
like most out there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and
timidity (on top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of
time. At this point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
and where to put things has me buffaloed. I know once I get started things
will fall into pl
ace. So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists
&g
t; note one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions.
Also, what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more
power to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes
sense. I am thinking about two smaller batteries instead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
things are put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
-------------- Original message --------------
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Silvester
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feature).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of months and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram"
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
Hi All,
I have been "lurking" long enough(6 weeks on the various
lists). Over the
summer I got my Jabiru 3300to put ona Thorp T-211. At this point, I have
received a "temporary" mountbasedona mount that is testing on a Thorp T-211
inScottsdaleand am waiting (impatiently) forthe newcowling assembly from
Jabiru Pacific that may or may-not work for the Thorp. I am in the process
of putting on the mounts and trying to set up my wiring, but like most out
there, it seems, between ignorance, lack of gobs of money, and timidity (on
top of family priorities) it is taking an inordinate amount of time. At this
point, I am mainly concerned with wiring and tools needed and
recommendations for books, references, and knowledgable helping hands.
Believe it or not, I have a fairly strong background in wiring computer
equipment, so know my way around some of the tools, but setting up the fuses
and where to
put things has me buffaloed. I kno
w once I get started things will fall
into place. So...
My first question, is about the battery recommended. It seems the lists note
one type in particular, but at this point, I am open to suggestions. Also,
what about backup batteries. It seems that the 3300 needs a bit more power
to get it started, from what I read, so want to make sure this makes sense.
I am thinking about two smaller batteriesinstead of one larger one.
The next question is about electrical tools. I don't have a good crimp tool
for the SubD pin connections and plan on getting those, but what else would
you all recommend. I would sure like to see examples of wiring and see how
things are put together.
Guess that's enough for how,
thanks,
Bruce Noon
(520) 991-5844
Tucson, AZ
--
(520) 760-5925
Tucson,AZ 85750
----
---------- Original message --------------
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <ZODIACJEFF@MSN.COM>
Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Silvester
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Andy Silvester"
<INFO@SUNCOASTJABIRU.COM>
Hi John
This list is relatively new and not (yet) fully promoted by us. My
intention
is to offer an alternative to the YahooGroups list, with less advertising
and using greater benefits (like a very good search / archive feat
ure).
We'll link it from our web site within the next couple of mo
nths and then
encourage more people to use it.
Andy Silvester
Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc.
2003 Mainsail Drive
Naples, FL 34114
Tel: (239) 394 6800 Fax: (239) 394 0726
www.suncoastjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
-- JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "John Loram" <JOHNL@LORAM.ORG>
I've seen no traffic on this list and am wondering if it is active.
I have a 3300 engine (s/n 106) which I am installing in a Q2.
-john-
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Since we're getting to know each other I hope you don't mind a few overviews on
how the matronics-lists work.
You'll get no advertising and I've yet to believe any spam has come from the list.
Matt Dralle runs a good service. I've been on the zenith matronics list
since '99.
If you just hit "reply" to a post then all the original post and any others that
are attached will be sent out. My opinion is that this wastes bandwidth and
makes the list less user-friendly. Please, please take a few seconds to edit
out (snip) unimportant parts of the original post. Doing so is just good list
manners. When all the "junk" goes into the archives, searches take forever
and waste your time.
If you have something to say that won't be of interest to a dozen people six weeks
from now, please add "do not archive" to the end of your message. The post
will make it into the daily list but not into the archives.
The archives will be much easier to use than the Yahoogroup type. At the bottom
of each matronics message you will find links into archives and search engines
- very, very good stuff. Play around with them for a while BTW, you'll also
be able to call up any of the other matronics links through the search engine
so questions like the electrical one will be accessible though the aeroelectics/Electrocuted
Bob lists.
You'll like this method. BTW, the battery??? Odyssey 625.
regards jeff do not archive
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
Same here! (Hi Jeff and Andy).
Regards,
Chris Boultinghouse
Austin, TX
Sonex N260SX (reserved)
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org
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> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Small
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:52 PM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Greetings and introductions
>
>
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
> Some of us just lurking and seeing if anyone shows up.
>
> Jeff Small 601HDS/3300 210 hours southcentral Pennsylvania
>
> do no archive
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
I am building a CH701 and plan to use a Jabiru3300. About to start on
wings, so the engine discussion is a little premature. However, I have
some questions;
Has anyone had experience with hard starting? Has anyone tried to
replace the builti-in ignition system with an electronic system?
Howard Carter
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jsto1@tampabay.rr.com>
Hi, I have a 3300 in my J450 and have had not problems. I've got 58
hours on it now and flew a J400 for 18 hours also with no problems. I'm
not sure why you would want to replace the Honda ingition modules, with
something more complex. I suggest you touch base with the Canadian
dealer at
www.jabirucanada.com to get feedback on a cold climate.
You should also check out http://www.jabiru.flyer.co.uk/ for more user
experience.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Howard Carter
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Another lurker
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
I am building a CH701 and plan to use a Jabiru3300. About to start on
wings, so the engine discussion is a little premature. However, I have
some questions;
Has anyone had experience with hard starting? Has anyone tried to
replace the builti-in ignition system with an electronic system?
Howard Carter
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>Has anyone had experience with hard starting? Has anyone tried to
>replace the built-in ignition system with an electronic system?
+++ Howard,
When temps near freezing then you will find some steps necessary for reliable first/cold
starts.
See http://www.usjabiru.com/Tech%20Tips.htm for lots of hints including cold starts.
Warm wx starting is fantastic.
regards jeff do not archive
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--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Howard,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I got your e'mail below. I'm a
bit unsure how this came about except that I've had about 6 similar re
Jabaru engines list today. I was a subscriber but unsubscribed a few weeks
ago. I joined as I train in a Jabiru and had a vested interest although I
own a Kitfox MKIV Classic Speedster with a Rotax 582 in it. I guess all
these messages are coming in to try and rouse some interest in the list. I
never did see a thing in the time I was subscribed although the Kitfox list
is very active.
Anyway re the ignition problem with the Jabiru. I just thought I'd answer
you as I might be able to help. Both the Jabiru and my Rotax need 300 RPM to
fire up and like you obviously think, so do I, the systems are useless and
shouldn't be permitted on a plane. I guess they are there because they are
cheap to supplyband install for the manufacturer.
I have built a number of CDI's over the years of varying types and I am a
recently retired electronics technician so I can talk about the subject with
some authority and maybe of some basic help to you.
My concern re the 300 RPM needed to get ignition is that if one is down in
the bush with just a slightly low battery one can't prop start it.
When I bought my plane 12 months ago there was a new ordinary motorcycle
battery fitted the day before I flew it home across very deserted country
for 3,000 kilometres from Perth In Western Australia to Loxton In South
Australia. Now all the way home we did get the plane started each time but
it did not start easy really. After that leaving the plane in the hanger for
2 or 3 weeks we found we needed to jump start it for the first time each
day. The prop would appear to be swinging over fine and the battery hanging
in fairly well, but it would not start. We persevered with this for 6 months
before buying a different type of battery and now it fires up that quick you
wouldn,t believe it.
Our Club Jabiru we use for training had one of these batteries in from new
about 3 years ago. A couple of times this winter when it has been real cold
it wouldn't start until we warmed it up with a blow heater for 20 minutes.
Now the weather is warmer we have no trouble again and it fires at the first
touch of the button. So despite it's good record it is weakening but after
3years and.1,000 hours of training work I reckon that's amazing.
The batteries I am talking about are Odyssey by Hawker. Mine is a PC625
and the clubs is a Model 700. They are identical except I imported mine from
www.batteries4everthing.com so it is USA whereas the clubs was bought in
Australia and it's called a Model 700 to stop cross warranty claims. These
batteries go under several different type names like AGM, absorbed glass mat
or recumbant etc. Basically they do not leak acid if split etc and can be
shipped with no problems. The ordinary motorcycle battery I originally had
in mine is what is called a flooded wet cell. Now a flooded wet cell loses
charge very quickly if left standing. An AGM [Odyssey] will only drop to 50%
after 2 years. Also the AGM has a much lower internal resistance and so
delivers more start current. It also has a very slightly higher voltage
output. This all adds up to a very big difference and has solved my
immediate problem Put BR-101 into your seach engine and I think you'll come
up with this document explaining about batteries. However although one of
these batteries should solve your starting problems if you don't have worn
starter bushes or something else, there still remains this rotten 300 RPM
problem. We are just covering it up using a good battery.
Right in Australia we are governed with our ultralights or small
recreational planes by what was called AUF [ Australian Ultralight
Federation ] but has just changed its name to RAA [ Recreational Aviation
Australia ] They put out a magazine each month that was called Australin
Ultralights but is now just Recreational Aviation Australia. In the October
2004 edition there is an article on pages 36,37,40 & 41 by Geoff Hennig how
he modified his Jabiru to get it to prop start. Basically he made up a new
ignition using a second hand hall sensor unit from the wreckers. This is
instead of points. He then made up a high voltage switch so he can swap
between this to start at zero RPM and the original system. Frankly I thought
it all a bit messy but he too was worried about the problem and he did solve
it. If you can get your hands on the magazine you can read all the details.
Perhaps from the library or import it as a back copy. Actually at this
moment it is the last issue yet recieved.
Let's discuss what we have. The Jabiru has the coils in the modules placed
close to magnets in the cicumference of the flywheel. As the manets pass
they generate both the high voltage and the signal pulse to determine time
of firing.
My Rotax on the other hand uses coils close to magnets on the flywheel to
pickup a signal pulse but the high voltage is generated by the alternator on
the end of the crankshaft. I haven't measured this voltage but it is
probably about 2 to 400 volts. It chages a capacitor. This charge is then
dumped across a coil that steps it up to 20 t0 50,000 volts. This happens
when the signal pulse is recieved, it triggers an electronic switch we call
an SCR [ silicon controlled rectifier ] I can easily make a little inverter
to supply the higher voltage to charge the capacitor that will run from
battery voltage even if it is low. Then my only minimum RPM limit is enough
revs to supply the signal pulse. I think this will be much lower than 300.
So if you wanted to swap whats in the Jabiru for one of these systems there
is a basis to start. Also of course as you suggest there is numerous bits
and pieces to be sought out and used. I realise you are hoping to find a
solution already worked out for your exact situation and I hope you do.
However here is some basic thoughts and a semi answer in an AGM battery.
Don't underestimate what one of these will do. Prices vary dramatically
though so please check. That's why I impoted mine from USA to Australia.
Despite exchange rates and freight it still worked out half the price of
purchasing locally. www.batteries4everything.com was the cheapest I found
and their service was excellent. Their price was $57.42 if I remember right.
One last thought re a Jabiru conversion. I would consider what a lot of
motorcycles do. They use double ended coils as does my Rotax. They can be
used on the Jabiru to good advantage to do away with those distributors. The
system can finish up feeding a spark that is redundant to a cylinder when
the piston is at TDC but on the non firing stroke when the piston has risen
pushing the exhaust gasses out and about to descend to suck in the air/fuel
mixture. A redundant spark at this time does no harm.
OK Howard, please think about all this and if I can be more help please
get back to me. I haven't discussed anything in too much depth as I don't
know how much you are following me. However I can do so where required when
I know what you can follow and what you want to know.
Hope this helps,
Kind Regards,
Rex.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Another lurker
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> I am building a CH701 and plan to use a Jabiru3300. About to start on
> wings, so the engine discussion is a little premature. However, I have
> some questions;
> Has anyone had experience with hard starting? Has anyone tried to
> replace the builti-in ignition system with an electronic system?
>
> Howard Carter
>
>
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