JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive

Tue 09/11/07


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 04:54 AM - Re: Coils (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     2. 05:54 AM - Re: Coils (Andy Silvester)
     3. 07:02 AM - Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Andy Silvester)
     4. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Coils (japhillipsga@aol.com)
     5. 12:58 PM - RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9rme_Delamare?=)
     6. 01:40 PM - Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Andy Silvester)
     7. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru ()
     8. 02:04 PM - Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Gilles Thesee)
     9. 02:28 PM - Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Peter Harris)
    10. 02:38 PM - Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Peter Harris)
    11. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Coils (Mervin Friesen)
    12. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Coils (Jim Crowder)
    13. 09:45 PM - Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Jim Crowder)
    14. 10:05 PM - Re: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Jim Crowder)
    15. 10:27 PM - Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru (Gilles Thesee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:54:38 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Coils
    In a message dated 9/11/2007 2:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jabiruengine-list@matronics.com writes: Its very likely the coil, this problem had been occuring to earlier coils, have not heard much trouble since the 'leading GX' coils were replaced with the 'TEK' ones some time ago. Also there should be fitted or retrofitted some heat insulating washers under the coils and air cooling tubes to cool the coils, details in the installation instructions on dealers websites, or in the series of articles called 'jaba chat' off the jabiru website. The 'transistorised' parts are inside the coil packs, just bolt in a replacement coil. Greetings team, FWIW, both the coils that came on my 3300 failed. My engine is 33A756, purchased in January 05. One of the coils was dysfunctional at the first start up, and the other failed within about the first 20 hours or so. Both were way out of spec when measuring the secondary side with an ohm meter. Clearly, they were bad and it wasn't a gap issue. Both came from the factory installed with the phenolic washers installed behind them. I replaced both of the failed coils at my expense, at roughly $160 each, and returned the failed coils to the dealer for warranty replacement. That was well over a year ago and although I've mentioned it several times to the dealer, Jabiru hasn't made good on either of the coils. In fact, they've made no effort to respond whatsoever. I also had a bad oil pressure sender which failied at about 30 hours, and that, too, was replaced at my expense. I also returned the OP sender to Jabiru for warranty replacement, but haven't heard a peep out of them. I had expected more from Jabiru, but they seem to be following the "Rotaxian" model of customer service. Interestingly, the replacement coils, although appearing to be manufactured by the same vendor, were considerably different from the ones that came on the engine. The new coils, obtained from two different Jab dealers, were larger and had a different orientation of the coil wire where it exits the body of the coil. I took pictures of the differences between the old and new coils and showed them to the dealer from whom I purchased my engine, but it didn't seem to help my case one iota. IOW, I'm convinced that Jabiru knew they had a problem with the original coils that came on the engine. Otherwise, they wouldn't have changed to the larger size. The replacement coils have operated flawlessly for about 80 hours now, but I still keep a spare on the shelf just in case. Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) Europa N245E - Flying -107 hours


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    Time: 05:54:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Coils
    From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
    Hi John and Listers, Here's the situation with coils and Jabiru: warranty replacements were available for the 'Leading GX' types which were know to have a batch problem, some 3-4 years ago, and we as dealers made sure we replaced them as soon as the new ones were available. Since then, Jabiru haven't recognized any subsequent failures and refer to the following facts: 1. Engines are dyno-tested at the factory and leave in fully working order. 2. Coils break-down in over heating conditions so they recommend in their manuals for additional air cooling to the coils from the ram-air ducts. OK, that's the 'Jabiru' line. Of course as dealers we try to manage the interface between the factory and customers, but if Jabiru refuse to honor a warranty claim, the issue is with us to either resolve or not. In John's case, I did my best to get the two coils changed under warranty, but Jabiru insisted it must have been an installation issue. My mistake was not to keep John fully informed of the situation and eventual decision, but it's often tricky to keep track of these things when they drag-on for months while we wait for a factory response. John, I will try to 'make-good' by offering you a $200 store - credit for parts, but bear in mind this is a 'Suncoast' gesture and not from Jabiru Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133890#133890


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    Time: 07:02:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
    The following information was received by Dealers from Jabiru, and is posted in advance of being incorporated into manuals and warranty policy: To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133901#133901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1152_medium_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1151_medium_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1150_medium_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1149_medium_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1148_medium_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9a016a0d_1_200.pdf


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    Time: 11:10:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Coils
    From: japhillipsga@aol.com
    Andy, I knew you wee a standup guy when I first met you. Hurah for Andy and Suncoast! A man and company worthy of our business. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Andy Silvester <info@suncoastjabiru.com> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:53 am Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Coils Hi John and Listers, Here's the situation with coils and Jabiru: warranty replacements were available for the 'Leading GX' types which were know to have a batch problem, some 3-4 years ago, and we as dealers made sure we replaced them as soon as the new ones were available. Since then, Jabiru haven't recognized any subsequent failures and refer to the following facts: 1. Engines are dyno-tested at the factory and leave in fully working order. 2. Coils break-down in over heating conditions so they recommend in their manuals for additional air cooling to the coils from the ram-air ducts. OK, that's the 'Jabiru' line. Of course as dealers we try to manage the interface between the factory and customers, but if Jabiru refuse to honor a warranty claim, the issue is with us to either resolve or not. In John's case, I did my best to get the two coils changed under warranty, but Jabiru insisted it must have been an installation issue. My mistake was not to keep John fully informed of the situation and eventual decision, but it's often tricky to keep track of these things when they drag-on for months while we wait for a factory response. John, I will try to 'make-good' by offering you a $200 store - credit for parts, but bear in mind this is a 'Suncoast' gesture and not from Jabiru Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133890#133890 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com


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    Time: 12:58:53 PM PST US
    From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9rme_Delamare?= <jeromedelamare@free.fr>
    Subject: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Greater than 6 inch of water ! Sure ? In my manual :" The required pressure drop across the cylinders at 1.3 Vs in take off configuration is 4.3 cm (1.7") water gauge, minimum." To obtain a dynamic pressure of 6 inch of water you need an Indicated Air Speed of 180 km/h (100 kts). J=E9rme -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Andy Silvester Envoy=E9 : mardi 11 septembre 2007 16:02 =C0 : jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Objet : JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <info@suncoastjabiru.com> The following information was received by Dealers from Jabiru, and is posted in advance of being incorporated into manuals and warranty policy: To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133901#133901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1152_medium_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1151_medium_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1150_medium_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1149_medium_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1148_medium_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9a016a0d_1_200.pdf


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    Time: 01:40:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    From: "Andy Silvester" <info@suncoastjabiru.com>
    Jerome, Three things to point out: 1. The latest test has different reference points than before, when the pressure was compared with ambient and at an airspeed of only 1.3 Vs. 2. The higher pressure differential reflects both pressure and suction, i.e. inside the cooling duct is compared to a point adjacent to the cowling outlet. 3. The 6" differential will be obtained at normal cruise speeds, which is easier to monitor in the air rather than (in my view) trying to maintain a speed of 1.3Vs and looking at the manometer. I hope this clears-up the confusion. My advice is to use the later information rather than that published in existing manuals - they will be updated soon. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133956#133956


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    Time: 01:56:09 PM PST US
    From: <dredmoody@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from
    Jabiru Someone previously posted what that 6" of water differential pressure would produce as the reading on an ASI. Wasn't it something in the neighborhood of 60 mph? Ed ---- Andy Silvester <info@suncoastjabiru.com> wrote: > > Jerome, > > Three things to point out: > > 1. The latest test has different reference points than before, when the pressure was compared with ambient and at an airspeed of only 1.3 Vs. > 2. The higher pressure differential reflects both pressure and suction, i.e. inside the cooling duct is compared to a point adjacent to the cowling outlet. > 3. The 6" differential will be obtained at normal cruise speeds, which is easier to monitor in the air rather than (in my view) trying to maintain a speed of 1.3Vs and looking at the manometer. > > I hope this clears-up the confusion. My advice is to use the later information rather than that published in existing manuals - they will be updated soon. > > Andy Silvester > Suncoast Sportplanes Inc.


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    Time: 02:04:18 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Andy Silvester a crit : > 1. The latest test has different reference points than before, when the pressure was compared with ambient and at an airspeed of only 1.3 Vs. > 2. The higher pressure differential reflects both pressure and suction, i.e. inside the cooling duct is compared to a point adjacent to the cowling outlet. > 3. The 6" differential will be obtained at normal cruise speeds, which is easier to monitor in the air rather than (in my view) trying to maintain a speed of 1.3Vs and looking at the manometer. > Andy, Jerome and all, Thanks for this interesting data from Jabiru, and rather consistent with other sources. On a different type of engine, I'm achieving 140-150 mm H20 (5.5"- 6") mean cylinder differential pressure (between upper and lower cowling) on a 125-135 kt airplane. Didn't retrieve direct Lycoming numbers, but a quick search yielded : > Lycoming Engine Installation Manual does specify that the O-320 engine > requires 5 - 1/2 inches of water while the O-360 engine should have 6 > - 1/2 inches pressure drop for good cooling. (quoting from http://www.rv7-a.com/phase_1_page2.htm) Of course, actual numbers will depend on the pressure measuring setup, but those values are in the same ballpark. FWIW, Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 02:28:25 PM PST US
    From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Andy, Is this a requirement for cooling of the engine or for cooling the coils? I think it would be very difficult to find a pressure differential of 6" water at anything less than 140KTS. Can you confirm how this can be done. I have taken measurements using a water manometer and found 4" static pressure from a point near the cowl inlet at 120KTS. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Silvester Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 12:02 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <info@suncoastjabiru.com> The following information was received by Dealers from Jabiru, and is posted in advance of being incorporated into manuals and warranty policy: To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133901#133901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1152_medium_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1151_medium_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1150_medium_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1149_medium_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1148_medium_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9a016a0d_1_200.pdf


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    Time: 02:38:18 PM PST US
    From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Andy, Now that I understand we are talking about differential pressure inlet vs outlet pls disregard my last post. But is it not sufficient to run within the required CHT ? Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Harris Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 7:28 AM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <peterjfharris@bigpond.com> Andy, Is this a requirement for cooling of the engine or for cooling the coils? I think it would be very difficult to find a pressure differential of 6" water at anything less than 140KTS. Can you confirm how this can be done. I have taken measurements using a water manometer and found 4" static pressure from a point near the cowl inlet at 120KTS. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Silvester Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 12:02 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <info@suncoastjabiru.com> The following information was received by Dealers from Jabiru, and is posted in advance of being incorporated into manuals and warranty policy: To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133901#133901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1152_medium_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1151_medium_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1150_medium_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1149_medium_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1148_medium_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9a016a0d_1_200.pdf


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    Time: 02:53:00 PM PST US
    From: "Mervin Friesen" <mefriesen@mts.net>
    Subject: Re: Coils
    I'm impressed! Thanks Andy for the care you give to Jabiru engine owners. Mervin Friesen -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Silvester Sent: September 11, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Coils Hi John and Listers, John, I will try to 'make-good' by offering you a $200 store - credit for parts, but bear in mind this is a 'Suncoast' gesture and not from Jabiru Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc. 1:37 PM


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    Time: 09:25:43 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Crowder" <jimlc@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Coils
    "Jabiru haven't recognized any subsequent failures and refer to the following facts: 1. Engines are dyno-tested at the factory and leave in fully working order. 2. Coils break-down in over heating conditions so they recommend in their manuals for additional air cooling to the coils from the ram-air ducts." And if they fail with the additional cooling? So much for honoring their warranty! I'm not impressed. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of japhillipsga@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:09 PM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Coils Andy, I knew you wee a standup guy when I first met you. Hurah for Andy and Suncoast! A man and company worthy of our business. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Andy Silvester <info@suncoastjabiru.com> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:53 am Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Coils <info@suncoastjabiru.com> Hi John and Listers, Here's the situation with coils and Jabiru: warranty replacements were available for the 'Leading GX' types which were know to have a batch problem, some 3-4 years ago, and we as dealers made sure we replaced them as soon as the new ones were available. Since then, Jabiru haven't recognized any subsequent failures and refer to the following facts: 1. Engines are dyno-tested at the factory and leave in fully working order. 2. Coils break-down in over heating conditions so they recommend in their manuals for additional air cooling to the coils from the ram-air ducts. OK, that's the 'Jabiru' line. Of course as dealers we try to manage the interface between the factory and customers, but if Jabiru refuse to honor a warranty claim, the issue is with us to either resolve or not. In John's case, I did my best to get the two coils changed under warranty, but Jabiru insisted it must have been an installation issue. My mistake was not to keep John fully informed of the situation and eventual decision, but it's often tricky to keep track of these things when they drag-on for months while we wait for a factory response. John, I will try to 'make-good' by offering you a $200 store - credit for parts, but bear in mind this is a 'Suncoast' gesture and not from Jabiru Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes, Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133890#133890 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!


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    Time: 09:45:11 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Crowder" <jimlc@att.net>
    Subject: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. writes: "To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test." On slow moving aircraft this may be very difficult to achieve. I will do my best on my Kitfox 5, but for those of us who have already purchased our engines and paid for them, this is an unfair position for Jabiru to take, and a warranty amended after purchase is likely un-enforceable. The warranty at the time of purchase is a part of our contract and cannot be amended unilaterally. Let new buyers beware!! I want to be happy and will do my best to achieve the 6 inch of water differential, but this does not feel good. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jrme Delamare Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:58 PM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: RE : JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru Greater than 6 inch of water ! Sure ? In my manual :" The required pressure drop across the cylinders at 1.3 Vs in take off configuration is 4.3 cm (1.7") water gauge, minimum." To obtain a dynamic pressure of 6 inch of water you need an Indicated Air Speed of 180 km/h (100 kts). Jrme -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Andy Silvester Envoy : mardi 11 septembre 2007 16:02 : jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Objet : JabiruEngine-List: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <info@suncoastjabiru.com> The following information was received by Dealers from Jabiru, and is posted in advance of being incorporated into manuals and warranty policy: To avoid overheating problems of the Jabiru engines in non Jabiru installations, it is vitally important that all installations provide a greater that 6 inch of water, air pressure differential to provide enough cooling for the Jabiru engine. Attached is a diagram of the tube placements to measure this and photos. We are in the process of having this included in the engine manual as a condition of warranty. Attached is a diagram and photos that demonstrate how to perform this test. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133901#133901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1152_medium_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1151_medium_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1150_medium_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1149_medium_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kif_1148_medium_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/9a016a0d_1_200.pdf


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    Time: 10:05:30 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Crowder" <jimlc@att.net>
    Subject: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from
    Jabiru Andy, You say: "3. The 6" differential will be obtained at normal cruise speeds, which is easier to monitor in the air rather than (in my view) trying to maintain a speed of 1.3Vs and looking at the manometer." It now sounds like I may have jumped the gun with my previous posting, but Jabiru's idea of warranty is suspect as in the case of the coils. My previous engine was water cooled which presented its own problems. I will see how this all plays out. I do appreciate your getting out in front of these issues. As I previously stated, I will do my best to be happy. Jim Crowder -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Silvester Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: RE : Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru <info@suncoastjabiru.com> Jerome, Three things to point out: 1. The latest test has different reference points than before, when the pressure was compared with ambient and at an airspeed of only 1.3 Vs. 2. The higher pressure differential reflects both pressure and suction, i.e. inside the cooling duct is compared to a point adjacent to the cowling outlet. 3. The 6" differential will be obtained at normal cruise speeds, which is easier to monitor in the air rather than (in my view) trying to maintain a speed of 1.3Vs and looking at the manometer. I hope this clears-up the confusion. My advice is to use the later information rather than that published in existing manuals - they will be updated soon. Andy Silvester Suncoast Sportplanes Inc. -------- www.suncoastjabiru.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133956#133956


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    Time: 10:27:33 PM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Cylinder cooling issues - Guidance from Jabiru
    Peter Harris a crit : > But is it not sufficient to run within the required CHT ? > Peter, Of course it is. Adequate cooling is certainly achievable with less than 5" in the case of the Jabiru. I've seen adequately cooled Jabirus with less than optimal intake diffusers and exits. The mass flow through the fins is proportional to the square root of the pressure differential. 4" would provide about 90 % of the flow at 5", so things are not so critical. By asking for optimal pressure drops, Jabiru is protecting itself against warranty claims related to overheating. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr




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