---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/07/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Keith Snyder) 2. 05:54 AM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Don Morrisey) 3. 06:24 AM - Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 11/29/07 (sonex293) 4. 10:40 AM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Ron Shannon) 5. 11:20 AM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Robert Hughes) 6. 11:20 AM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Peter Harris) 7. 12:42 PM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Joe Ronco) 8. 02:02 PM - Re: Jabiru vs. (Don Morrisey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:50 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Jabiru vs. From: "Keith Snyder" Per the spec sheets it's 8 pounds difference in favor of the Jabiru. If they are like the motorcycle manufacturers there could be a fair amount of difference between what they tell you and reality. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150966#150966 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:52 AM PST US From: Don Morrisey Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. I think you would find that the O-200 is at least 50 pounds heavier, if not more.www.donsbushcaddy.comDon Morrisey's Skunkworks > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs.> From: kmitch51@earthlink.net> Dat e: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:32:05 -0800> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com> > - net>> > Any other engines. I was looking at comparative numbers (weight, si ze, horsepower) and the 3300 looks similar in size and weight to the 912 Ro tax when adding in radiator and psru and to the O-200 Continental. And obvi ously has a slight but hopefully real horsepower advantage. > Has anyone ha d the chance to do direct comparison not just from the technical papers put out by the manufacturers? In other words has anyone had a hands-on look at them side by side?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums. ========================> _ => > > _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.- Join i n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:16 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 11/29/07 From: "sonex293" Peter, Try going here .... http://www.matronics.com/subscription -- Michael Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150980#150980 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:08 AM PST US From: Ron Shannon Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. I'm not sure about 50 lbs., but the O-200 is substantially heavier. When comparing engine weights, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Jabiru's published weight (~172 lbs.) includes starter, generator, exhaust, cooling baffles. The O-200's published weight (see http://tinyurl.com/3bbeht) is just for the "basic engine". Ron Murphy Rebel 254R http://n254mr.com Don Morrisey wrote: > I think you would find that the O-200 is at least 50 pounds heavier, if > not more. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:04 AM PST US From: "Robert Hughes" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. I would agree with that 50 lb difference. I just purchased a new TMX 0-200 and even with the lighter starter and new type alternator, the installed weight is between 220 and 235 lbs without vacuum pump. Hawkeye Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Shannon" Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:38 Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. > > > I'm not sure about 50 lbs., but the O-200 is substantially heavier. When > comparing engine weights, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. > Jabiru's published weight (~172 lbs.) includes starter, generator, > exhaust, cooling baffles. The O-200's published weight (see > http://tinyurl.com/3bbeht) is just for the "basic engine". > > Ron > Murphy Rebel 254R > http://n254mr.com > > Don Morrisey wrote: >> I think you would find that the O-200 is at least 50 pounds heavier, if >> not more. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:05 AM PST US From: "Peter Harris" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. The J3300 82Kg is same weight as the Revmaster but 120 HP (rating) Peter _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Morrisey Sent: Friday, 7 December 2007 11:48 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. I think you would find that the O-200 is at least 50 pounds heavier, if not more. www.donsbushcaddy.com Don Morrisey's Skunkworks _____ > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. > From: kmitch51@earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:32:05 -0800 > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > > > Any other engines. I was looking at comparative numbers (weight, size, horsepower) and the 3300 looks similar in size and weight to the 912 Rotax when adding in radiator and psru and to the O-200 Continental. And obviously has a slight but hopefully real horsepower advantage. > Has anyone had the chance to do direct comparison not just from the technical papers put out by the manufacturers? In other words has anyone had a hands-on look at them side by side? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150939#150939 > > > > > > > ====================== &g== > > > _____ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:19 PM PST US From: "Joe Ronco" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. The Continental literature that I got at Oshkosh 2007 for the new O-200D (Light Sport version that Cessna is using for the 162) shows an installed dry weight with accessories of 215 lbs + 6 quarts of oil = approx 225-230 lbs. -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Shannon Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. I'm not sure about 50 lbs., but the O-200 is substantially heavier. When comparing engine weights, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Jabiru's published weight (~172 lbs.) includes starter, generator, exhaust, cooling baffles. The O-200's published weight (see http://tinyurl.com/3bbeht) is just for the "basic engine". Ron Murphy Rebel 254R http://n254mr.com Don Morrisey wrote: > I think you would find that the O-200 is at least 50 pounds heavier, if > not more. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:55 PM PST US From: Don Morrisey Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs. That is correct. With everything attached to an O-200 (including oil) it w ill be in the range of 235 pounds. An O 235 will be in the range of 275 po unds. My original choice for my aircraft was the O 235. A load of researc h later, I also decided the O 200 was also too heavy and went with the Jabi ru 3300. The published weights of the O 200 and O 235 are very misleading. You need to go back to their type certificates to get the real numbers pl us the add ons. Luckily for me, Mahlon Russell, who is a great resource on the Lycoming Yahoo list is also the Service Manager at Mattituck. He actu ally weighed two engines from their test cell for me. www.donsbushcaddy.com Don Morrisey's Skunkworks > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:38:45 -0800> From: rshannon@cruzcom.com> To: jab iruengine-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru vs.> > >> > I'm not sure about 50 lbs., but the O-200 is substantially heavier. Wh en > comparing engine weights, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. > Jabiru's published weight (~172 lbs.) includes starter, generator, > exh aust, cooling baffles. The O-200's published weight (see > http://tinyurl.c om/3bbeht) is just for the "basic engine".> > Ron> Murphy Rebel 254R> http: //n254mr.com> > Don Morrisey wrote:> > I think you would find that the O-20 ========================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120 07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message jabiruengine-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.