---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/06/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:32 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (James, Clive R) 2. 05:18 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Lynn Matteson) 3. 07:23 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (N1BZRich@aol.com) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Don Morrisey) 5. 08:01 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (THOMAS SMALL) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (THOMAS SMALL) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (T. Graziano) 8. 09:16 AM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Lynn Matteson) 9. 01:28 PM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Ivan) 10. 02:31 PM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Jabiru USA) 11. 06:22 PM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Lynn Matteson) 12. 06:53 PM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Ivan) 13. 08:07 PM - Re: Mag failure at mag-check (Keith Pickford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check From: "James, Clive R" The 2200 and 3300 rotor arms are different parts. The 3300 is more upright looking, the 2200 a lot flatter. I'm not sure about rotor arm issues with 3300s maybe other 3300 owners can let us know? I have experienced the same issues as Lynn, lost a mag during pre take off check last month on my Jabiru SP but was also close to home so flew back on the other one (the airfield I was at was Baltic), I used to fly a single ignition Rotax and it was only 15 minutes.... The problem on inspection was indeed the rotor arm and to be frank it had been advertising it'self as it did last time one got loose on me. Whilst in the cruise every now and again there is a barely peceptible hesitation in the smooth running. Problem is it's several hundred hours between when I've had it so I don't readily recognise it phenomena (the wife said after she had as well). In the past I've picked it us when one was loose as it got worse but still worked on the check. This time 150 hrs from new when it was glued on. Cause as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of corrosion and it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the other one yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive spray would be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't show up last time I had the caps off ~50 hrs back. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: 06 February 2008 02:53 Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check --> Thanks, Buz- I changed my first set of caps and rotors at 237 hours, and both rotors were loose. I didn't glue the replacements (Bosch) on, and in time, both became loose. I've finally found replacement parts that I'm happy with...Standard Brand caps, and Daiichi rotors from Car Quest. I've now got the set-up I'm happy with, and time will tell if the epoxy is the secret to holding the rotors on, and allow the rotors to "live out their lives" like they should. I'm not cheap, it's just a pain in the rump to change them with the limited room that I have. Personally, I feel that only 200 hours for rotors is way out of line...they should last at least twice that, if not more. I follow the 25-30 hrs for oil changes and filters, though. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/470+ hrs On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:17 PM, N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > I have about 420 hours on my 3300 in the last 25 months and no mag > issues at all (in fact no issues of any kind). I replaced the caps > and rotors at 250 hours not because of problems, but because the > engine manual calls for them to be replaced at 200 hours. When > removed, both caps and rotors were working great and showed no > abnormal wear at the 250 hour point. I feel they could have gone to > 500 hours with no problems, but I believe in preventative maintenance. > I change oil and filter at 25 to 30 hours and plugs at 100 hours. As > you know, all these replaceable parts on the Jabiru are inexpensive > and readily available at auto parts stores. > Blue Skies, > Buz Rich > > > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:09 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Clive- Now that you mentioned it, one of my original metal clips was broken, too. Oh, by the way, I drilled 4 holes around the skirt of the rotor, in line with the interior grooves in the rotor, and when I epoxy the rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rivet" of sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. It may be overkill, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Incidentally, my original rotors were both sloppy loose when I first inspected them at 237 hrs. During the recent repair, I looked at the "good" side and it was holding just fine. When I first did the hole drilling thing, I had decided that if that didn't hold, that I would use a Dremel tool and grind a few shallow pockets into the side of the distributor shaft, so that the epoxy could really get a bite onto the shaft. So far that hasn't been necessary. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/470+ hrs On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:29 AM, James, Clive R wrote: > > > Cause as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of > corrosion and > it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the other one > yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive spray > would be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't show up > last time I had the caps off ~50 hrs back. > > Regards, Clive > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:42 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check In a message dated 2/6/2008 8:18:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: I epoxy the rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rivet" of sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. Lynn, How do you get them off when they need to be changed nest time? What am I missing here? Buz **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:56 AM PST US From: Don Morrisey Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Lynn: As someone who is very close to installing my 3300, I am curious how, after gluing or epoxying the rotors on, they then get removed the next time arou nd? Thanks. Don...www.donsbushcaddy.comDon Morrisey's Skunkworks > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at ma g-check> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:15:23 -0500> To: jabiruengine-list@matron @jps.net>> > Clive-> Now that you mentioned it, one of my original metal cl ips was broken, > too.> > Oh, by the way, I drilled 4 holes around the skir t of the rotor, in > line with the interior grooves in the rotor, and when I epoxy the > rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rive t" of > sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. It may be overkill, but I'd > rather be safe than sorry. Incidentally, my original rotors were both > sl oppy loose when I first inspected them at 237 hrs.> > During the recent rep air, I looked at the "good" side and it was > holding just fine. When I fir st did the hole drilling thing, I had > decided that if that didn't hold, t hat I would use a Dremel tool and > grind a few shallow pockets into the si de of the distributor shaft, > so that the epoxy could really get a bite on to the shaft. So far that > hasn't been necessary.> > > Lynn Matteson> Gras s Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/470+ hrs> > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:29 AM, James, Clive R wrote:> > > --> JabiruEngine-Li st message posted by: "James, Clive R" > > > >> > Ca use as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of > > corrosion and> > it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the other one> > yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive spray> > w ould be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't show up> > last ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:32 AM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Lynn, Are you sure it's a rotor problem (though rotors loose on the distributor shaft certainly need fixed) and not a coil problem. I follow a mainentance program with numbers close to those below for a total of 312 hours. Since 285 hours I have had to replace both coils. They would work and then not work. Internmittent in operation. Heat, or at least a hot day in the fall, broke down the left coil even though I have cool air blasting on it. The right coil left about seven hours ago after it would: first, fail to show an RPM drop on the mag check, second, completely failing during a mag check. I should have suspected it because of rough running and vibration during the previous four or five takeoffs. Your coil may check out on the multi-tester but break down under use. My engine is an old (serial number 051) 3300. It had coils with black cases and grey molding at the end. New coils have different appearance. Glad problem is fixed but at $200.80 a pop I felt rather taken advatage of.. heck, it's just some car coil in all likeiyhood. BTW, the original rotors were tight when I replaced them and the new rotors stay tight - checked them when the rough running was encountered. cheers jeff I have about 420 hours on my 3300 in the last 25 months and no mag issues at all (in fact no issues of any kind). I replaced the caps and rotors at 250 hours not because of problems, but because the engine manual calls for them to be replaced at 200 hours. When removed, both caps and rotors were working great and showed no abnormal wear at the 250 hour point. I feel they could have gone to 500 hours with no problems, but I believe in preventative maintenance. I change oil and filter at 25 to 30 hours and plugs at 100 hours. As you know, all these replaceable parts on the Jabiru are inexpensive and readily available at auto parts stores. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:29 AM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check As someone who is very close to installing my 3300, I am curious how, after gluing or epoxying the rotors on, they then get removed the next time around? Thanks. Don... Don, I would recommend (take that for what it's worth) that with the 3300 you need not "glue" them on. The rotors should be checked before you install by dropping the caps and tugging on them. If loose, then exercise a stiff push onto the shaft to see if perhaps they were not seated in the first place. When I replaced rotors at ~ 275 hours the old ones were tight and the new ones took considerable effort to push on shaft. cheers jeff ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:10 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Mag failure at mag-check I replaced my factory installed distributor caps and rotors last July at 264 hobbs hours. (about 200 tach hours). The rotors had to be forcefully removed as they were very tight to the shaft - no indications of wear. I had one dist cap (L/H I think) that was showing distress and high wear in the center electrode "carbon button" and the rotor's corresponding pickup had arcing type wear indications. There were no indications of any problems during mag checks. The replaced rotors and caps were procured from Jab USA. The new rotors (Bosch GB73 made in Australia) were very, very snug fit to the shafts and I did not use any adhesive. Current hobbs time on engine about 350 hrs. To date, the only work done on the engine has been routine scheduled type maintenance and minor JSBs which are easily accomplished. Love my Jab. Engine is smooth running and easy to start, although at my lowest start temp to date (Minus 11 C OAT as per AWOS and my cockpit OAT indicator), the engine did die after about 5 seconds after start and had to be restarted. Tony Graziano Jab 3300A S/N33A644; Zodiac 601XL --------------------- has anybody else had any problems with losing a mag, or are you all changing the rotors and caps at the suggested hourly intervals, and gluing the rotors on? The second question is, what has been the condition of the rotors that you've removed? Are the rotors all wallowed out where they mount to the distributor shaft? I checked the rotor in the other mag and found it exactly as I had installed it many (can't recall how many) hours ago. So I now know that my rotor installation procedure is good, and both rotors now have been installed using the same procedure. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/470+ hrs ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:13 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Don and Buz- Since I began to use the epoxy, I haven't had to remove a rotor. The first one I did...the left...was about 50 hours ago (and checked 1-2 hours ago), the second one...the right...just 1-2 hours ago. When it comes time to change rotors next time, I'll heat the rotor with a heat gun and it *should* loosen and come right off. I'm betting that the epoxy will hold the rotor so well that changing will become a non- issue. After all, what can go wrong with a rotor under normal (read automotive) circumstances? It just sits there going around and around, with no load or stress on it. Granted, the jumping spark *can* erode the tip, but I've touched auto rotors up with a file, and put them back into service. The button contact area sees no spark jump, and should last forever as well, given a slight buffing with steel wool, for example. To my mind, the 200 hour life span of these parts is based on the "wobble factor"...if it doesn't wobble, why should it fail? I'm certainly not advocating NOT changing rotors and caps, I'd just like to see someone (read: a Jabiru dealer, mechanic, or engineer) point out the real reason for the suggested time frame. When I changed rotors the first time around, due to a distributor oil seal leak, I scoffed at having to glue them on, and I learned my lesson by having them wobble and fail early, so I'm certainly willing to learn from someone who has the real story. In the meantime, weather permitting, I'll continue to log hours on my engine, and do rotor checks at every other oil change and see what happens...hopefully NOT "famous last words" : - ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/470+ hrs On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Don Morrisey wrote: > Lynn: > > As someone who is very close to installing my 3300, I am curious > how, after gluing or epoxying the rotors on, they then get removed > the next time around? > > Thanks. Don... > > www.donsbushcaddy.com > Don Morrisey's Skunkworks > > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:15:23 -0500 > > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > Clive- > > Now that you mentioned it, one of my original metal clips was > broken, > > too. > > > > Oh, by the way, I drilled 4 holes around the skirt of the rotor, in > > line with the interior grooves in the rotor, and when I epoxy the > > rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rivet" of > > sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. It may be overkill, but I'd > > rather be safe than sorry. Incidentally, my original rotors were > both > > sloppy loose when I first inspected them at 237 hrs. > > > > During the recent repair, I looked at the "good" side and it was > > holding just fine. When I first did the hole drilling thing, I had > > decided that if that didn't hold, that I would use a Dremel tool and > > grind a few shallow pockets into the side of the distributor shaft, > > so that the epoxy could really get a bite onto the shaft. So far > that > > hasn't been necessary. > > > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Grass Lake, Michigan > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > > flying w/470+ hrs > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:29 AM, James, Clive R wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Cause as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of > > > corrosion and > > > it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the > other one > > > yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive > spray > > > would be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't > show up > > > last time I had the caps off ~50 hrs back. > > > > > > Regards, Clive > > > > > > >==================== > > > > > > > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:55 PM PST US From: "Ivan" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Lynn Thanks for the input. I am unaware of any time frame to replace the Jab 3300 engine rotor. I looked in the service manual for the engine and it says to inspect the distributer and rotor each 50 hours but not to replace. Where did you get info about when to replace the rotor and what was the time frame. My engine has 120 hrs on it without problems. Ivan Phoenix, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check > > Don and Buz- > > Since I began to use the epoxy, I haven't had to remove a rotor. The > first one I did...the left...was about 50 hours ago (and checked 1-2 > hours ago), the second one...the right...just 1-2 hours ago. When it > comes time to change rotors next time, I'll heat the rotor with a heat > gun and it *should* loosen and come right off. I'm betting that the epoxy > will hold the rotor so well that changing will become a non- issue. After > all, what can go wrong with a rotor under normal (read automotive) > circumstances? It just sits there going around and around, with no load > or stress on it. Granted, the jumping spark *can* erode the tip, but I've > touched auto rotors up with a file, and put them back into service. The > button contact area sees no spark jump, and should last forever as well, > given a slight buffing with steel wool, for example. To my mind, the 200 > hour life span of these parts is based on the "wobble factor"...if it > doesn't wobble, why should it fail? I'm certainly not advocating NOT > changing rotors and caps, I'd just like to see someone (read: a Jabiru > dealer, mechanic, or engineer) point out the real reason for the > suggested time frame. When I changed rotors the first time around, due to > a distributor oil seal leak, I scoffed at having to glue them on, and I > learned my lesson by having them wobble and fail early, so I'm certainly > willing to learn from someone who has the real story. In the meantime, > weather permitting, I'll continue to log hours on my engine, and do rotor > checks at every other oil change and see what happens...hopefully NOT > "famous last words" : - ) > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/470+ hrs > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Don Morrisey wrote: > >> Lynn: >> >> As someone who is very close to installing my 3300, I am curious how, >> after gluing or epoxying the rotors on, they then get removed the next >> time around? >> >> Thanks. Don... >> >> www.donsbushcaddy.com >> Don Morrisey's Skunkworks >> >> >> >> >> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net >> > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check >> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:15:23 -0500 >> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> > >> >> > >> > Clive- >> > Now that you mentioned it, one of my original metal clips was >> broken, >> > too. >> > >> > Oh, by the way, I drilled 4 holes around the skirt of the rotor, in >> > line with the interior grooves in the rotor, and when I epoxy the >> > rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rivet" of >> > sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. It may be overkill, but I'd >> > rather be safe than sorry. Incidentally, my original rotors were >> both >> > sloppy loose when I first inspected them at 237 hrs. >> > >> > During the recent repair, I looked at the "good" side and it was >> > holding just fine. When I first did the hole drilling thing, I had >> > decided that if that didn't hold, that I would use a Dremel tool and >> > grind a few shallow pockets into the side of the distributor shaft, >> > so that the epoxy could really get a bite onto the shaft. So far >> that >> > hasn't been necessary. >> > >> > >> > Lynn Matteson >> > Grass Lake, Michigan >> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> > flying w/470+ hrs >> > >> > >> > On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:29 AM, James, Clive R wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Cause as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of >> > > corrosion and >> > > it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the >> other one >> > > yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive >> spray >> > > would be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't >> show up >> > > last time I had the caps off ~50 hrs back. >> > > >> > > Regards, Clive >> > > >> > >> >==================== >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn >> forums.matronics.com_- >> ============================================================ _- >> contribution_- >> =========================================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:12 PM PST US From: "Jabiru USA" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check The instructions in the Jabiru manual now specify an inspection on a regular basis and if the caps & rotor look good they need not be replaced. In the more distant past there was a statement (maybe in one of the early Jaba Chat newsletters) about a service life of 200 hours or two years. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Lynn Thanks for the input. I am unaware of any time frame to replace the Jab 3300 engine rotor. I looked in the service manual for the engine and it says to inspect the distributer and rotor each 50 hours but not to replace. Where did you get info about when to replace the rotor and what was the time frame. My engine has 120 hrs on it without problems. Ivan Phoenix, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check > > Don and Buz- > > Since I began to use the epoxy, I haven't had to remove a rotor. The > first one I did...the left...was about 50 hours ago (and checked 1-2 > hours ago), the second one...the right...just 1-2 hours ago. When it > comes time to change rotors next time, I'll heat the rotor with a heat > gun and it *should* loosen and come right off. I'm betting that the epoxy > will hold the rotor so well that changing will become a non- issue. After > all, what can go wrong with a rotor under normal (read automotive) > circumstances? It just sits there going around and around, with no load > or stress on it. Granted, the jumping spark *can* erode the tip, but I've > touched auto rotors up with a file, and put them back into service. The > button contact area sees no spark jump, and should last forever as well, > given a slight buffing with steel wool, for example. To my mind, the 200 > hour life span of these parts is based on the "wobble factor"...if it > doesn't wobble, why should it fail? I'm certainly not advocating NOT > changing rotors and caps, I'd just like to see someone (read: a Jabiru > dealer, mechanic, or engineer) point out the real reason for the > suggested time frame. When I changed rotors the first time around, due to > a distributor oil seal leak, I scoffed at having to glue them on, and I > learned my lesson by having them wobble and fail early, so I'm certainly > willing to learn from someone who has the real story. In the meantime, > weather permitting, I'll continue to log hours on my engine, and do rotor > checks at every other oil change and see what happens...hopefully NOT > "famous last words" : - ) > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/470+ hrs > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Don Morrisey wrote: > >> Lynn: >> >> As someone who is very close to installing my 3300, I am curious how, >> after gluing or epoxying the rotors on, they then get removed the next >> time around? >> >> Thanks. Don... >> >> www.donsbushcaddy.com >> Don Morrisey's Skunkworks >> >> >> >> >> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net >> > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check >> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:15:23 -0500 >> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> > >> >> > >> > Clive- >> > Now that you mentioned it, one of my original metal clips was >> broken, >> > too. >> > >> > Oh, by the way, I drilled 4 holes around the skirt of the rotor, in >> > line with the interior grooves in the rotor, and when I epoxy the >> > rotors on, the epoxy oozes out of the holes and forms a "rivet" of >> > sorts, helping to hold the rotors on. It may be overkill, but I'd >> > rather be safe than sorry. Incidentally, my original rotors were >> both >> > sloppy loose when I first inspected them at 237 hrs. >> > >> > During the recent repair, I looked at the "good" side and it was >> > holding just fine. When I first did the hole drilling thing, I had >> > decided that if that didn't hold, that I would use a Dremel tool and >> > grind a few shallow pockets into the side of the distributor shaft, >> > so that the epoxy could really get a bite onto the shaft. So far >> that >> > hasn't been necessary. >> > >> > >> > Lynn Matteson >> > Grass Lake, Michigan >> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> > flying w/470+ hrs >> > >> > >> > On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:29 AM, James, Clive R wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Cause as always the metal spring clip had failed. A bit of >> > > corrosion and >> > > it was in 2 pieces. Genuine Bosch parts. Haven't opened the >> other one >> > > yet but will post it's condition when I do. Some anti corrosive >> spray >> > > would be good but then that won't help with the glue. Didn't >> show up >> > > last time I had the caps off ~50 hrs back. >> > > >> > > Regards, Clive >> > > >> > >> >==================== >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn >> forums.matronics.com_- >> ============================================================ _- >> contribution_- >> =========================================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:56 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check I'm pretty sure that I read it right here...or on the Yahoo Jabiru list, I'm not sure. I went back and looked through my mail about the time that I had the leaking dist shaft seals, thinking maybe that could have triggered a response from "a person in the know", but couldn't find the reference. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/470+ hrs On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Ivan wrote: > > Lynn > Thanks for the input. I am unaware of any time frame to replace > the Jab 3300 engine rotor. I looked in the service manual for the > engine and it says to inspect the distributer and rotor each 50 > hours but not to replace. Where did you get info about when to > replace the rotor and what was the time frame. My engine has 120 > hrs on it without problems. > > Ivan > Phoenix, AZ > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:56 PM PST US From: "Ivan" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check Lynn The neat thing that I love about the Jabiru so far is the good documentation and Pete's input. I can go to the service manual and know exactly what I have to check, how to do it and how often. I felt a little unsupported in those areas when I was running my Rotax. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check > > I'm pretty sure that I read it right here...or on the Yahoo Jabiru list, > I'm not sure. I went back and looked through my mail about the time that > I had the leaking dist shaft seals, thinking maybe that could have > triggered a response from "a person in the know", but couldn't find the > reference. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/470+ hrs > > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Ivan wrote: > >> >> Lynn >> Thanks for the input. I am unaware of any time frame to replace the Jab >> 3300 engine rotor. I looked in the service manual for the engine and it >> says to inspect the distributer and rotor each 50 hours but not to >> replace. Where did you get info about when to replace the rotor and what >> was the time frame. My engine has 120 hrs on it without problems. >> >> Ivan >> Phoenix, AZ >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:29 PM PST US From: "Keith Pickford" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check I have read 200 hrs somewhere on the Jabiru CD - Replaced ours at 300 because cap was loose, Have done another 600 since with no trouble - used Araldite on rotors Keith Alpi Pioneer 200 w/Jabiru 2200 900+ hrs Jabiru J160 2200 Hydraulic lifters 300+ hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Mag failure at mag-check I'm pretty sure that I read it right here...or on the Yahoo Jabiru list, I'm not sure. I went back and looked through my mail about the time that I had the leaking dist shaft seals, thinking maybe that could have triggered a response from "a person in the know", but couldn't find the reference. 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