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1. 11:02 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett)
2. 11:07 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett)
3. 11:16 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett)
4. 11:50 AM - two questions (THOMAS SMALL)
5. 01:05 PM - Re: two questions (Jim@jabirupacific.com)
6. 01:22 PM - Re: Rough running 2200 (Chuck Deiterich)
7. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Rough running 2200 (Lynn Matteson)
8. 03:33 PM - Re: two questions (Ivan)
9. 04:32 PM - Re: two questions (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
10. 06:25 PM - Re: two questions (Jim@jabirupacific.com)
11. 07:27 PM - Re: two questions (Ivan)
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| Subject: | Re: Just Highlander 3300 |
Thanks Don
Sorry it took so long to respond. I am in Florida for the winter and had no computer.
I spoke with Pete at the Light Sport Convention and he showed me some
baffle techniques that may help me. I sure do appreciate your positive response.
Gary Tackett
----- Original Message ----
From: Don Morrisey <donmorrisey@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00:15 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300
Gary, if you go to the yahoo jabiru engine email list and search for Fisher Dakota
Hawk. There are several builders of that airplane using a standard lyc/conti
cowl pressurization baffle system. One builder/pilot in Australia swears
by it after having heating issues with an early 3300.
However, you shouldn't have an issue if you install the engine and ram air ducts
properly.
Don.
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| Subject: | Re: Just Highlander 3300 |
Not a Troll, Just new to the Jabiru 2200 in a pusher application.
Gary Tackett
----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Turk <matronics@rtist.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:36:19 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300
Glad to see I'm not the only one suspecting this to be a troll..
;-)
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Morrisey
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300
Gary, if you go to the yahoo jabiru engine email list and search for Fisher
Dakota Hawk. There are several builders of that airplane using a standard
lyc/conti cowl pressurization baffle system. One builder/pilot in Australia
swears by it after having heating issues with an early 3300.
However, you shouldn't have an issue if you install the engine and ram air
ducts properly.
Don.
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| Subject: | Re: Just Highlander 3300 |
Hi Rich
Sorry if I mistyped the engine model, It is a 2200 and is on a Rans S-12XL. It
did not get too hot and was only for a short time in which I pulled back on the
throttle and cooled it down. I had only 6 hours on the engine before I put
it into winter storage and went to Florida for the winter, I haven't been able
to respond because I have no computer down here.But, thanks anyway.
Gary
----- Original Message ----
From: "N1BZRich@aol.com" <N1BZRich@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:00:44 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300
In a message dated 1/16/2008 1:08:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, japhillipsga@aol.com
writes:
Gary, you know your probably correct about that Jab 3300 engine overheating. It
probably will overheat and ruin and you'll lose everything. I might be able to
help you out with your problem and I was thinking about building an airboat
and it might work on it. I'll help you and buy your 3300 from you if your really
concerned. Can't really pay you much for an engine that's probably a dud. I'll
offer you $2,000.
What a bunch of crock. If the Jabiru 3300 is installed correctly using the
supplied parts as specified, then you should be able to get the CHTs into the
correct range. You can do some adjusting on individual CHTs by placing small
deflectors over individual cylinders and by slightly changing the baffle height
in front of #1 and #3 which will change the amount of air that goes through
the fiber-glass air ducts. Remember, you want high pressure on top of the cylinders
and low pressure under them. You can also help the situation by installing
a small air dam to help air exit at the aft end of the lower cowling. This
of course lowers air pressure under the cylinders and increases the air flow
through the cylinders.
I have flown seven different Jabiru powered aircraft (six with the 3300 and
one with the 2200) and with these adjustments as mentioned above, all have been
well within the CHT ranges. The slowest was a Rans S7 and with the 3300 it
was a real Super Cub beater. Fun airplane. Next slowest was a Zodiac 601XL
which my EAA chapter built with me being the lead technical advisor and once again
the air duct adjustments with small deflectors over the cylinders needing
more cooling air did the trick. All the other Jabiru powered airplanes that
I have flown have been the speedier homebuilts like the Esqual and Lightning.
Again, no problems if you install the engine and air ducts as specified. If
you continue to have problems, call the folks at Jabiru USA in Tennessee. In
my mind, they are the experts. In fact, if you have not been to their Jabiur
engine school, you have short changed yourself in your quest for knowledge.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
Highly modified Esqual with lots of Lightning stuff and a 3300 Jab that has
416 hours on it in the last 2 years. No problems on it and I run it hard.
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Pete and Andy,
I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the
one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to
in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto
airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us
with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it?
Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey
batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I
have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very
little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from
Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get
a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk
list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly
repeating that?
I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine
with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast
leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I
looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run
pricewise?
thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours
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Hi Jeff
The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box.
As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp charger on
it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the charger
off!
Don't charge it past 15 volts.
The current starters are $543.00
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS
SMALL
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Pete and Andy,
I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the
one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in
the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is
used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox
can use? Any numbers? You handle it?
Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey
batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a
625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because
it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is
there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for
the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a
charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that?
I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine
with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves
us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I looking at
the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise?
thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 2200 |
Pete and Peter,
Thanks for the inputs. When the weather settles down I will try the carb
heat, choke and electric fuel pump too.
I will also try to smooth out the air to the carb.
Chuck
do not archive
> Time: 03:47:50 PM PST US
> From: "Jabiru USA" <info@usjabiru.com>
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200
>
> What happens when you apply carb heat or apply choke when it is running
> rough? Does it get better or worse?
>
>
> Pete Krotje
>
> Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
>
>
> _____
>
> From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@bigpond.com>
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200
>
> Chuck,
>
> The needle valve seat usually leaks at anything above 2800 because the
> seat
> supplied is meant for gravity feed.
>
> Also at the high throttle settings the fuel/air intake becomes uneven
> because of induction pulses in the small induction pipes collector which
> is
> less than 1/2L in capacity. I am working on a 3.5L intake manifold to
> solve
> my engine which is now fuel injected.
>
> During development I found that EGT R was about 100degC greater than EGT
> L
> and was told that this is common, but when I increased the butterfly
> diameter EGT L became 100degC hotter than EGT R. I think the turbulence
> in
> that induction collector is disturbing fuel/air distribution and the
> effect
> is different at different RPM and worst at WOT.
>
> When the fuel/air mix is out of balance the engine runs out of balance
> or
> slightly rough because the power strokes are not uniform. On one
> occasion I
> had the engine shake badly.
>
> Peter H
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running 2200 |
Chuck-
Do you have the recommended 4" (at least ) of straight, smooth tubing
attached to the carb?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Chuck Deiterich wrote:
> <cffd@pgrb.com>
>
> Pete and Peter,
> Thanks for the inputs. When the weather settles down I will try
> the carb heat, choke and electric fuel pump too.
> I will also try to smooth out the air to the carb.
> Chuck
> do not archive
>
>> Time: 03:47:50 PM PST US
>> From: "Jabiru USA" <info@usjabiru.com>
>> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200
>>
>> What happens when you apply carb heat or apply choke when it is
>> running
>> rough? Does it get better or worse?
>>
>>
>> Pete Krotje
>>
>> Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@bigpond.com>
>> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> The needle valve seat usually leaks at anything above 2800 because
>> the
>> seat
>> supplied is meant for gravity feed.
>>
>> Also at the high throttle settings the fuel/air intake becomes uneven
>> because of induction pulses in the small induction pipes collector
>> which
>> is
>> less than 1/2L in capacity. I am working on a 3.5L intake manifold to
>> solve
>> my engine which is now fuel injected.
>>
>> During development I found that EGT R was about 100degC greater
>> than EGT
>> L
>> and was told that this is common, but when I increased the butterfly
>> diameter EGT L became 100degC hotter than EGT R. I think the
>> turbulence
>> in
>> that induction collector is disturbing fuel/air distribution and the
>> effect
>> is different at different RPM and worst at WOT.
>>
>> When the fuel/air mix is out of balance the engine runs out of
>> balance
>> or
>> slightly rough because the power strokes are not uniform. On one
>> occasion I
>> had the engine shake badly.
>>
>> Peter H
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: two questions |
Jeff, Jim
I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to
charge it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined.
They told me to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk
charger like an automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery
charger which tops off the battery automatically without going above
14.7v. I think this charger is great for the money @ $85 with shipping.
They have slower chargers for less but I wanted one that can do my
battery while I am doing the preflight check. I called Odyssey and
their technical support is great and they told me what to do.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim@jabirupacific.com
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Hi Jeff
The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box.
As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp
charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn
the charger off!
Don't charge it past 15 volts.
The current starters are $543.00
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS
SMALL
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Pete and Andy,
I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is
the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods
to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto
airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us
with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it?
Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey
batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I
have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very
little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from
Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get
a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk
list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly
repeating that?
I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are
fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the
beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long.
Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run
pricewise?
thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours
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| Subject: | Re: two questions |
I've used these very successfully on SVLA batteries- hook 'em up and forget
about 'em:
_http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_3_
(http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_3)
_http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2_
(http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2)
Mark
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Hi Ivan
Thank your for the info!
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:26 PM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Jeff, Jim
I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to charge
it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined. They told me
to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk charger like an
automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery charger which tops off
the battery automatically without going above 14.7v. I think this charger
is great for the money @ $85 with shipping. They have slower chargers for
less but I wanted one that can do my battery while I am doing the preflight
check. I called Odyssey and their technical support is great and they told
me what to do.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim@jabirupacific.com
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Hi Jeff
The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box.
As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp
charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the
charger off!
Don't charge it past 15 volts.
The current starters are $543.00
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS
SMALL
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Pete and Andy,
I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is
the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to
in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter
is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that
airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it?
Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey
batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a
625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because
it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is
there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for
the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a
charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that?
I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are
fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast
leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I
looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise?
thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: two questions |
Jim
No problem. You have been a great help to us all many times.
Thanks
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim@jabirupacific.com
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Hi Ivan
Thank your for the info!
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ivan
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:26 PM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Jeff, Jim
I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to
charge it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined.
They told me to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk
charger like an automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery
charger which tops off the battery automatically without going above
14.7v. I think this charger is great for the money @ $85 with shipping.
They have slower chargers for less but I wanted one that can do my
battery while I am doing the preflight check. I called Odyssey and
their technical support is great and they told me what to do.
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim@jabirupacific.com
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Hi Jeff
The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box.
As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp
charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn
the charger off!
Don't charge it past 15 volts.
The current starters are $543.00
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
Office 559-431-1701
Fax 559-233-3676
www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS
SMALL
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions
Pete and Andy,
I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This
is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some
mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What
auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of
us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it?
Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the
Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to
charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar,
used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh
batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too
old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old
yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you -
mind briefly repeating that?
I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx
are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the
beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long.
Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run
pricewise?
thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours
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