---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/26/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:02 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett) 2. 11:07 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett) 3. 11:16 AM - Re: Just Highlander 3300 (gary tackett) 4. 11:50 AM - two questions (THOMAS SMALL) 5. 01:05 PM - Re: two questions (Jim@jabirupacific.com) 6. 01:22 PM - Re: Rough running 2200 (Chuck Deiterich) 7. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Rough running 2200 (Lynn Matteson) 8. 03:33 PM - Re: two questions (Ivan) 9. 04:32 PM - Re: two questions (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 10. 06:25 PM - Re: two questions (Jim@jabirupacific.com) 11. 07:27 PM - Re: two questions (Ivan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:23 AM PST US From: gary tackett Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Thanks Don Sorry it took so long to respond. I am in Florida for the winter and had no computer. I spoke with Pete at the Light Sport Convention and he showed me some baffle techniques that may help me. I sure do appreciate your positive response. Gary Tackett ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Morrisey Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00:15 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Gary, if you go to the yahoo jabiru engine email list and search for Fisher Dakota Hawk. There are several builders of that airplane using a standard lyc/conti cowl pressurization baffle system. One builder/pilot in Australia swears by it after having heating issues with an early 3300. However, you shouldn't have an issue if you install the engine and ram air ducts properly. Don. www.donsbushcaddy.com Don Morrisey's Skunkworks Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:24 AM PST US From: gary tackett Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Not a Troll, Just new to the Jabiru 2200 in a pusher application. Gary Tackett ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob Turk Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:36:19 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Glad to see I'm not the only one suspecting this to be a troll.. ;-) Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Morrisey Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Gary, if you go to the yahoo jabiru engine email list and search for Fisher Dakota Hawk. There are several builders of that airplane using a standard lyc/conti cowl pressurization baffle system. One builder/pilot in Australia swears by it after having heating issues with an early 3300. However, you shouldn't have an issue if you install the engine and ram air ducts properly. Don. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:09 AM PST US From: gary tackett Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 Hi Rich Sorry if I mistyped the engine model, It is a 2200 and is on a Rans S-12XL. It did not get too hot and was only for a short time in which I pulled back on the throttle and cooled it down. I had only 6 hours on the engine before I put it into winter storage and went to Florida for the winter, I haven't been able to respond because I have no computer down here.But, thanks anyway. Gary ----- Original Message ---- From: "N1BZRich@aol.com" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:00:44 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Just Highlander 3300 In a message dated 1/16/2008 1:08:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, japhillipsga@aol.com writes: Gary, you know your probably correct about that Jab 3300 engine overheating. It probably will overheat and ruin and you'll lose everything. I might be able to help you out with your problem and I was thinking about building an airboat and it might work on it. I'll help you and buy your 3300 from you if your really concerned. Can't really pay you much for an engine that's probably a dud. I'll offer you $2,000. What a bunch of crock. If the Jabiru 3300 is installed correctly using the supplied parts as specified, then you should be able to get the CHTs into the correct range. You can do some adjusting on individual CHTs by placing small deflectors over individual cylinders and by slightly changing the baffle height in front of #1 and #3 which will change the amount of air that goes through the fiber-glass air ducts. Remember, you want high pressure on top of the cylinders and low pressure under them. You can also help the situation by installing a small air dam to help air exit at the aft end of the lower cowling. This of course lowers air pressure under the cylinders and increases the air flow through the cylinders. I have flown seven different Jabiru powered aircraft (six with the 3300 and one with the 2200) and with these adjustments as mentioned above, all have been well within the CHT ranges. The slowest was a Rans S7 and with the 3300 it was a real Super Cub beater. Fun airplane. Next slowest was a Zodiac 601XL which my EAA chapter built with me being the lead technical advisor and once again the air duct adjustments with small deflectors over the cylinders needing more cooling air did the trick. All the other Jabiru powered airplanes that I have flown have been the speedier homebuilts like the Esqual and Lightning. Again, no problems if you install the engine and air ducts as specified. If you continue to have problems, call the folks at Jabiru USA in Tennessee. In my mind, they are the experts. In fact, if you have not been to their Jabiur engine school, you have short changed yourself in your quest for knowledge. Blue Skies, Buz Rich Highly modified Esqual with lots of Lightning stuff and a 3300 Jab that has 416 hours on it in the last 2 years. No problems on it and I run it hard. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Pete and Andy, I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it? Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that? I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise? thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:40 PM PST US From: "Jim@jabirupacific.com" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Jeff The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box. As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the charger off! Don't charge it past 15 volts. The current starters are $543.00 Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS SMALL Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Pete and Andy, I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it? Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that? I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise? thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:46 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Rough running 2200 Pete and Peter, Thanks for the inputs. When the weather settles down I will try the carb heat, choke and electric fuel pump too. I will also try to smooth out the air to the carb. Chuck do not archive > Time: 03:47:50 PM PST US > From: "Jabiru USA" > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200 > > What happens when you apply carb heat or apply choke when it is running > rough? Does it get better or worse? > > > Pete Krotje > > Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC > > > _____ > > From: "Peter Harris" > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200 > > Chuck, > > The needle valve seat usually leaks at anything above 2800 because the > seat > supplied is meant for gravity feed. > > Also at the high throttle settings the fuel/air intake becomes uneven > because of induction pulses in the small induction pipes collector which > is > less than 1/2L in capacity. I am working on a 3.5L intake manifold to > solve > my engine which is now fuel injected. > > During development I found that EGT R was about 100degC greater than EGT > L > and was told that this is common, but when I increased the butterfly > diameter EGT L became 100degC hotter than EGT R. I think the turbulence > in > that induction collector is disturbing fuel/air distribution and the > effect > is different at different RPM and worst at WOT. > > When the fuel/air mix is out of balance the engine runs out of balance > or > slightly rough because the power strokes are not uniform. On one > occasion I > had the engine shake badly. > > Peter H > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:01 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Rough running 2200 Chuck- Do you have the recommended 4" (at least ) of straight, smooth tubing attached to the carb? Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Chuck Deiterich wrote: > > > Pete and Peter, > Thanks for the inputs. When the weather settles down I will try > the carb heat, choke and electric fuel pump too. > I will also try to smooth out the air to the carb. > Chuck > do not archive > >> Time: 03:47:50 PM PST US >> From: "Jabiru USA" >> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200 >> >> What happens when you apply carb heat or apply choke when it is >> running >> rough? Does it get better or worse? >> >> >> Pete Krotje >> >> Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: "Peter Harris" >> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Rough running 2200 >> >> Chuck, >> >> The needle valve seat usually leaks at anything above 2800 because >> the >> seat >> supplied is meant for gravity feed. >> >> Also at the high throttle settings the fuel/air intake becomes uneven >> because of induction pulses in the small induction pipes collector >> which >> is >> less than 1/2L in capacity. I am working on a 3.5L intake manifold to >> solve >> my engine which is now fuel injected. >> >> During development I found that EGT R was about 100degC greater >> than EGT >> L >> and was told that this is common, but when I increased the butterfly >> diameter EGT L became 100degC hotter than EGT R. I think the >> turbulence >> in >> that induction collector is disturbing fuel/air distribution and the >> effect >> is different at different RPM and worst at WOT. >> >> When the fuel/air mix is out of balance the engine runs out of >> balance >> or >> slightly rough because the power strokes are not uniform. On one >> occasion I >> had the engine shake badly. >> >> Peter H >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:54 PM PST US From: "Ivan" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Jeff, Jim I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to charge it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined. They told me to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk charger like an automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery charger which tops off the battery automatically without going above 14.7v. I think this charger is great for the money @ $85 with shipping. They have slower chargers for less but I wanted one that can do my battery while I am doing the preflight check. I called Odyssey and their technical support is great and they told me what to do. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@jabirupacific.com To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Jeff The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box. As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the charger off! Don't charge it past 15 volts. The current starters are $543.00 Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS SMALL Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Pete and Andy, I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it? Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that? I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise? thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:18 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions I've used these very successfully on SVLA batteries- hook 'em up and forget about 'em: _http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_3_ (http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_3) _http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2_ (http://batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2) Mark **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:04 PM PST US From: "Jim@jabirupacific.com" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Ivan Thank your for the info! Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:26 PM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Jeff, Jim I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to charge it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined. They told me to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk charger like an automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery charger which tops off the battery automatically without going above 14.7v. I think this charger is great for the money @ $85 with shipping. They have slower chargers for less but I wanted one that can do my battery while I am doing the preflight check. I called Odyssey and their technical support is great and they told me what to do. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@jabirupacific.com To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Jeff The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box. As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the charger off! Don't charge it past 15 volts. The current starters are $543.00 Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS SMALL Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Pete and Andy, I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it? Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that? I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. Am I looking at the newer, larger starter?..and how much does that run pricewise? thanks jeff small HDS/3300 315 hours href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:48 PM PST US From: "Ivan" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Jim No problem. You have been a great help to us all many times. Thanks Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@jabirupacific.com To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Ivan Thank your for the info! Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ivan Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:26 PM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Jeff, Jim I have the Odyssey PC625 on my 3300, 20aH. I was also told not to charge it above 15v charger becasue the AGM battery would be ruined. They told me to get a 3 phase charger such as any Odyssey and not a bulk charger like an automobile charger. I got the Odyssey 12Amp battery charger which tops off the battery automatically without going above 14.7v. I think this charger is great for the money @ $85 with shipping. They have slower chargers for less but I wanted one that can do my battery while I am doing the preflight check. I called Odyssey and their technical support is great and they told me what to do. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@jabirupacific.com To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Hi Jeff The K&N 33-2031-2 fits in the large Jabiru air box. As far as charging the battery I would recommend you put a 10 amp charger on it and charge it till you reach 14.9 volts on a DVM, the turn the charger off! Don't charge it past 15 volts. The current starters are $543.00 Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook 202B Fresno, CA 93711 Office 559-431-1701 Fax 559-233-3676 www.jabirupacific.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of THOMAS SMALL Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: JabiruEngine-List: two questions Pete and Andy, I have one of the first fwf kits for 3300 into Zenith 601. This is the one with the large (too large) airbox that we had to make some mods to in the linkage and fit it up under the firewall shelf. What auto airfilter is used in that box? Is there a K&N filter that those of us with that airbox can use? Any numbers? You handle it? Second, Andy I can remember you writing in detail about the Odyssey batteries and their rather finicky ways when it comes to charging. I have a 625 that is presently on the table in the hangar, used very little because it was no improvement over the cheap 17amh batteries from Batteries.com. Is there hope for this battery (maybe too old) if I get a "correct" charger for the Odyssey line. On the old yahoojabbytalk list you once wrote of a charger that had impressed you - mind briefly repeating that? I have the old small starter (engine 051) and starts in cold wx are fine with the usual preheat routine done in the hangar, however the beast leaves us down if we fly for food and allow it to sit too long. 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